648$ for rebuild kit from autozone?

[M374llic4]

Whats all that about? comes with bearings, belts, oil pump and all that, but is almost 650$. I am better off to get that 1,000$ kit with forgies.

anyone know anywhere else to get rebuild products? Seems a bit high.

[boost_boy]

The price for that rebuild kit is a bit on the high-side, but it's not too far off for what it costs for everything.

Dee

[M374llic4]

hmmm....damn, I was hoping to be like 300 : ( oh well though, gotta do what i gotta do. So its probably worth the price?

[davidricardo86]

Hey quick question. Where are you getting this other $1000 rebuild kit? I didnt know Autozone carried a rebuild kit for the Ca18DET? This is a ca18det forum correct? Unless you were referring to the fact that the ca18de and det are almost identical i suppose?

[M374llic4]

Yeah, the kit was for a DE had main and rod bearings, timing belt, freeze out kit, oil pump. I tihnk im missing something, but thats all i can remember for the 648 kit.

compaired to

Complete Gasket SetCopper/MLS Head GasketWiseco Forged Pistons (83, 83.5, 84mm Bore) and (8.5, 8.8:1 compression)Plasma Moly RingsPerformance Wrist PinsTOGA HP Main BearingsTOGA HP Rod BearingsFreeze Plugs

for the 925$ kit

I like option 2 much more

the 925$ one seems like a great deal now haha.

[davidricardo86]

Yeah, the kit was for a DE had main and rod bearings, timing belt, freeze out kit, oil pump. I tihnk im missing something, but thats all i can remember for the 648 kit.

compaired to

Complete Gasket SetCopper/MLS Head GasketWiseco Forged Pistons (83, 83.5, 84mm Bore) and (8.5, 8.8:1 compression)Plasma Moly RingsPerformance Wrist PinsTOGA HP Main BearingsTOGA HP Rod BearingsFreeze Plugs

for the 925$ kit

I like option 2 much more

the 925$ one seems like a great deal now haha.

Wow that does seem a lot better! Where did you find this? Post the link if possible! Wouldnt using the DE parts not be as reliable as the DET counterparts or is there not a difference?

[240 Trainee]

I would definatly be interested in option 2 as well, that sounds a whole lot more fun than a stock rebuild....

[M374llic4]

The stock one was from autozone i think, and the good one is from

http://www.importperformancepa....html

number 10.

Looks like I have to save a check or 2 then I can get it. Still have alot more to get : \

[89'ClubK's]

Yes, the Tomei or Grex metal headgasket will run around $200.00 alone.Good Luck!

[Rookieca18det]

Damn makes me wanna take my friends motor and build a spare. $925 is not bad at all. Damn gotta stop coming to Nico im gonna have no money for a house. -richard

[c-rad]

Wouldnt using the DE parts not be as reliable as the DET counterparts or is there not a difference?

You do realize its the same motor save for a few slight mechanical differences, right? And the only internal difference is lower compression pistons, oil squirters, and a main cap girdle.

[davidricardo86]

You do realize its the same motor save for a few slight mechanical differences, right? And the only internal difference is lower compression pistons, oil squirters, and a main cap girdle.

Yes, i do understand its the "same" engine but at the same time its not. I couldnt imagine Nissan using some of the same materials for internals on the USDM NA engine. What would be the point? Definately not cost-worthy for them. Its not turbocharged so some things dont have to be made out of the same metals/materials. Yes theyre both 1809cc, 83.0 x 83.6mm, DOHC, 2 compression rings 1 oil, 5 main bearings, and also the turbo model has 8.5 comp. ratio and 10.0 for NA version. Agreed. But the fact that one is turbocharged and the other isnt, i would imagine it would have to have stronger if not different size/material bearings for the Crankshaft and Connecting Rods, because of the extra pressures or different oil clearances. Also theres the tolerance differences the manufacturing porcess but i dont think thats really a big issue. Correct me if im wrong.

I wanted to see if this is actually true so i decided to look for the information from Nissan. You mentioned the only major differences being the low comp. pistons, oil squirters, and main cap girdle. I went digging through the S13 CA18DET FSM and i have access to FSM information from a 1989 Nissan Pulsar and found that a lot of the measurements are identical with a little difference here and there. Looks like the end gaps on the piston rings are different. Also some slight differences in the pistons themselves and the side clearances. All in all this is what i found, Crankshft and Connecting Rod Bearing clearances are the same. Crankshafts are the same as in measurements. Connecting rods are the same. Piston rings are slightly different. Piston pins are the same. Camshafts are different (they have to be)! Valves are the same. Valve springs are the same. Hydraulic valve lifters are the same. Valve seat inner and outer dieameters and heights are different. Other valve seat measurements are the same. Theres slight differences in the Cylinder head hole diameter and Interference fit in the Valve Guides. Cylinder heads are the same measurements. Blocks are the same measurements except maybe one thing i found, Feeler gauge extracting force? Thats it. Not to different at all except for somethings like the main bearing beam, pistons, and oil squirters. Well i just answered my own questions...

What about the metals these peices are made of?

[OverBoosted180]

Rich! wats up man? Long time no see or hear..I saw your car when Kevin was doin some work to it.. Sounds n looks good! Whats kind of coilovers do u have now? We should get together and go to a couple of spots.

[Rookieca18det]

Yeah man seriously. The car is running pretty good I cant complain. I got the head gasket replaced with a cometic. The car has tein hr coilovers on it, they feel pretty good. Hey give me call (954-560-6476) you owe me a ride in your car now that its done.

[M374llic4]

Hmm.....I know a t3/t4is kinda big, but what if I were to get aball bearing t3/t4, would help with the lag problem, but still get big boost, perhaps worth it? normal t3/t4 is probably to slow to spool. but BB might not be.

[M374llic4]

I got an email about the headgasket included in that kit

"That kit now takes a copper performance head gasket.The gasket set is complete including valve seals.

They are our brand we have use them up to 30PSI and with O-rings up to 60 PSI."

[Rookieca18det]

Hmm.....I know a t3/t4is kinda big, but what if I were to get aball bearing t3/t4, would help with the lag problem, but still get big boost, perhaps worth it? normal t3/t4 is probably to slow to spool. but BB might not be.

That would all depend on what size the turbo is. If your going to be running something like a .64 on the exhaust side on a non bb turbo then yeah you will suffer some serious lag. I think precision (not sure though) sells ball bearing centers for garrett turbos but they are almost $600. Granted I saw this a while back so the price could be lower. If you have the money to spend you might consider a gt2871r or gt3071r with like a .64 back, that would yield good power and response on a 1.8l. Im sorry I didnt mean to rant on, anyway you should look around and see whats best for you and your project.