6 Point and up Roll Cage

[sommmatt]

Anyone have any input on where, and what is a good fit, and who has decent pricing?

Not meant to be a rice cage, talking about an NHRA style 11.49 and faster cage.

[keith0486]

for a cage like that you might be better off looking for a company around you that dose roll cages im sure there is a shop around you that can do it.

[Gabes13]

heard nothing but good things from safety 21

[sommmatt]

safety 21 = ricer cage

[blacksrjdm]

safety 21 = ricer cage

O so I suppose that Cusco cages are rice also????How do you figure that safety 21 is ricer. Their cages are certified.

[spank044]

I personally do not like the idea of a bolt in cage. I got my cage from thiscompany.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...Parts

I then tig welded it in and pass tech every time.

[OutToWinPAHC]

If you want NHRA it needs to be DOM, Needs to be welded..... period.

[steve s14]

If you need a good, high quality rollbar or cage, it's best to get it custom made by an experienced shop or builder.Which could be yourself if you have welding skills and an understanding of the rules and about rollbar, cage construction.It usually costs more to get a custom one build unless you do it yourself.

I believe there is areas on a car you can cut corners on but safety items are not one of them. To save a couple of bucks is not worth your life.

[sommmatt]

O so I suppose that Cusco cages are rice also????How do you figure that safety 21 is ricer. Their cages are certified.

Uh, yeah, because they're bolt in, which means they don't actually do s***. See this.

http://jalopnik.com/5390934/mu...-wall

Also no door bars, no front dash bar = useless.

I personally do not like the idea of a bolt in cage. I got my cage from thiscompany.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...Parts

I then tig welded it in and pass tech every time.

This is the kind of cage I'm looking for. Unfortunately I also need A pillar bars and a front halo. I can weld, just want bars that will fit the first time.

If you want NHRA it needs to be DOM, Needs to be welded..... period.

This.

[steve s14]

Bolt in doesn't mean it's crap, that is a misconception.They can be legal and are legal for many racing organizations such as NASA, REDLINE, SCCA etc.If engineered and constructed properly, it's still very good.The problem with welding in rollover protection is that it is very difficult to reverse so it's not for everyone.Some people don't want to commit their car to become a dedicated track machine.Here's proof that a high quality rollbar works very well. http://www.bethania-garage.com/testimonials.htm

[sommmatt]

How well does a bolt in cage work when you hit a wall at 120mph?

I know welded ones work pretty damn well.

Why take that risk? If you're bolting a roll cage in, then you clearly don't need one to protect you in worst case scenarios. Ricer cages.

[steve s14]

AGAIN, if properly constructed and designed it will work very well, what part of that is difficult to understand?The major benefit to welding in a cage is that you can add gussets and tie it into the A pillar, B pillar, roof and other areas to make it extremely strong. You can do this with a bolt in cage or bar but it's more difficult because there aren't as many areas you can bolt it to other than the seat belt bolts. But this may not be legal in some forms of racing and you may suffer a weight penalty for going outside the rules. This is where an understanding of the rules for the particular sanctioning body is important.

What most people don't know is that a high grade bolt can be equally strong if not stronger in tensile strength compared to a weld.I repeat, just because it's bolt together, does not mean it's crap.

You seem to want to go the weld in route and i applaud that if that's what you want to do . I just want to inform other people that weld in is not the only option to a safe rollbar or cage.A poorly constructed weld in cage or bar can be way more dangerous than a bolt in.I think it's funny how people see the Mustang crash and think that it has to do with the rollbar being a bolt in.How can anyone make that assumption, i can't see bolts on that footing, it might have been welded in.I've seen welded in cages and bars fail for the same reasons. If it's welded on to a sheet metal floor pan, it's going to punch right through like a cookie cutter. It has to be tied into a boxed section or some kind of frame member to help that sort of thing from happening. From that standpoint, it makes no difference if you do that by bolting it or welding it.
Modified by steve s14 at 12:17 PM 10/30/2009

[blacksrjdm]

I would have to agree with steve s14 here. Yes the ridgidity of adding gussets to a welded in cage is a huge plus. Yet, like Steve s14 had said, there is nothing wrong with a properly constructed and installed bolt in cage. Just as a person would weld a plate in where the cage will be welded to, add a plate to where you plan to bolt in. The mustang picture is an isolated case and I challenge you to find another similar situation where a bolt in cage failed so poorly. Who is to say that that cage was even for a mustang. Who is the tuner that built it. Just like the people that say Rota wheels are going to break if you install them on your car. It just isnt so...

[spank044]

This is the kind of cage I'm looking for. Unfortunately I also need A pillar bars and a front halo. I can weld, just want bars that will fit the first time.

I believe they offer a 10pt full cage as well. Mine fit perfectly, but I did modify the the mounting location of the rears to the strut tower. Give them a call.

[visser003]

Also no door bars, no front dash bar = useless.

Why is that? I have a DD/Track machine and have been considering a 6 point such as the 8 point spank044 posted minus the door bars.

I undestand it will not be as safe, but it still can give ample protection for roll overs correct?

I don't want to skimp on safety but I cannot live with squeezing my 6'3 200lb frame through such a little space to get in and out of my car.

[Chris28]

That mustang had a roll bar, not a roll cage.

Safety 21/Cusco makes a very well designed cage. Their 5 point is great for a dd/weekend track car.

[disrupt]

I work for a structural engineering firm. I would have to agree 100% that there not difference between bolted or welded. the ONLY thing that matters is the design.

[sommmatt]

SteveS14,

To clarify that Mustang was a bolt in roll bar/rear cage sans door bars similar to the one that was posted on here.

Anyway, I want to get a roll cage for the simple reason that dealing with high horsepower/high speed applications, one small error or part failure can put that cage to use. Let's remember that roll cages/roll bars are a one time use item, you only have one shot to get it right, or you're dead.

The chassis of my car exists as one solid, rigid body that cannot be taken apart unless it's with a sawzall. Bolting something, rather than welding something, is a point where the car can seperate with little difficulty under extreme load.

Most people are going to order these bolt on cages and put them in, they're not going to add extra plates to the cage to distribute the load, and often the plate included with the cage is insufficient and will punch through the chassis.

The purpose of the roll cage is to keep the passenger compartment. Without a front bar, door bars, a pillar bars and a main halo, the front of the car could still collapse on you with ease. Half cages are cages that are never actually meant to be used.

DDing a car with a cage, imo, is silly. If you're a big person like one of the posters above me, you just have to deal with the fact that door bars can save your life.

Let me put it this way. Your roll cage is your life. I trust professional welds before I trust a bolt.

[Gabes13]

I trust professional welds before I trust a bolt.

That's fine but you can't go around saying...

safety 21 = ricer cage

and what not.

Bolt-ons can be just as affective as welds.

http://noriyaro.com/?p=1772

[steve s14]

The chassis of my car exists as one solid, rigid body that cannot be taken apart unless it's with a sawzall. Bolting something, rather than welding something, is a point where the car can seperate with little difficulty under extreme load.

That is completely false.Most things on a cars chassis is welded together to make it simpler, lighter, and strong. Even welded parts are susceptible to failure under extreme loads.Parts bolted together properly are strong but may not be as simple or as light but have one distinct advantage which is the option of disassembly.

Most people are going to order these bolt on cages and put them in, they're not going to add extra plates to the cage to distribute the load, and often the plate included with the cage is insufficient and will punch through the chassis.

A properly designed rollbar or cage will not need any additional plates and such whether it is a bolt in or weld in.

The purpose of the roll cage is to keep the passenger compartment. Without a front bar, door bars, a pillar bars and a main halo, the front of the car could still collapse on you with ease. Half cages are cages that are never actually meant to be used.

DDing a car with a cage, imo, is silly. If you're a big person like one of the posters above me, you just have to deal with the fact that door bars can save your life.

Let me put it this way. Your roll cage is your life. I trust professional welds before I trust a bolt.

Rollbars are for rollover protection and serve that purpose, rollcages serve that purpose and do more to protect the cabin area.If you want rollover protection but don't want to climb in and out of a jungle gym, then there is nothing wrong with a rollbar as long as the person buying it is aware of it's limitations.

[duffman1278]

I personally do not like the idea of a bolt in cage. I got my cage from thiscompany.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...Parts

I then tig welded it in and pass tech every time.

This cage is cheap in terms of price, and seems really good. 4130, not bad, not bad at all. Good work on TIG welding it also.

[sancosys]

Check out Mazworx. I think they are a sponsor, plus they drag race Nissans.

Aaron

[spank044]

Good work on TIG welding it also.

Thanks, I also want to mention that it came notched, had the base plates, and everything fit like a glove.