4320p Ultra HD

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... arper-hdtv

f*** Crazy
I can't believe how sharp Bluray movies are on 1080p...4320 will be sharper than real life. I only have a decade to save up for a T.V.
Though honestly what I wish they'd do is up the FPS.

[HashiriyaS14]

Can the eye tell the difference?

It's fairly difficult to tell the difference between 1080 and 720 on smaller screens (below 40") already

[Loki]

My TV puts out 17280p. Prove me wrong by just looking at it

[AppleBonker]

Can the eye tell the difference?

It's fairly difficult to tell the difference between 1080 and 720 on smaller screens (below 40") already

It depends on how far from the tv you are. And how good your vision is. On my 1080p 65" set, the ideal viewing distance is about 7 feet. Any closer and you can start to resolve pixels (if you have 20-20 vision). A higher resolution will allow you to have a HUGE screen much closer to your face. 1080+ monitors are popular because you are about 2 feet from the screen. So it really depends on how you have your gear setup. It's really all a matter of the math (there is a certain angle that your eye can resolve, so it's all calculations based on distance from the screen and resolution).

[Otto.]

This is old news. I remember reading about this NHK camera months ago... and it had been talked about for quite a while before that.

In fact, RED is going to be coming out with a 28k camera... err... soon. It's been delayed a lot but it's going to be released sooner or later.

[PoorManQ45]

Finally! I hate watching people's 112" screens in crappy 1080p. So much screen door effect!

Reminds me of when people would use 640x480 projectors...

[Urabus GodofTraction]

More importantly, when will they make p0rn in ZOMG HD?

[PoorManQ45]

More importantly, when will they make p0rn in ZOMG HD?

You seriously don't want to see it. Look up blu-ray p0rn. It's available.

It makes things stand out that shouldn't stand out...

[PoorManQ45]

Both of you are freaks. Freaks.

Sometimes you've got to take matters into your own hands!

[Razi]

3D pr0n in 4320p!!!!!
It'z da future!

[PoorManQ45]

3D pr0n in 4320p!!!!!
It'z da future!

I was just watching 6th Day! Interactive 3D!!!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

More importantly, when will they make p0rn in ZOMG HD?

You seriously don't want to see it. Look up blu-ray p0rn. It's available.

It makes things stand out that shouldn't stand out...

Oh I certainly know. It changes p0rn stars from embodiments of fantasy to...well... humans, with razor burn on their p******.

[Alfador]

You seriously don't want to see it. Look up blu-ray p0rn. It's available.

It makes things stand out that shouldn't stand out...

Oh I certainly know. It changes p0rn stars from embodiments of fantasy to...well... humans, with razor burn on their p******.

Why should anyone be surprised or disgusted by it? Well, unless they've never actually seen one up close before. In which case, cut your monthly budget for tissues in half and go do that IMO.

[ThatGuyRoger]

3D POV pr0n in 4320 HD = mindblown

[Encryptshun]

3D POV pr0n in 4320 HD = mindblown

"So real you could swear you caught the herp."

[ThatGuyRoger]

lmao

[RCA]

http://www.popsci.com/technology/articl ... arper-hdtv

f**king Crazy
I can't believe how sharp Bluray movies are on 1080p...4320 will be sharper than real life. I only have a decade to save up for a T.V.
Though honestly what I wish they'd do is up the FPS.

You can already see this...
YouTube 4K:
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[Empty V]

Can the eye tell the difference?

The short of it, not to the average eye. The long of it, it depends on how large the screen is. Anything over a 10' diagonal you might see a difference if you're up close.

This is old news. I remember reading about this NHK camera months ago... and it had been talked about for quite a while before that.

In fact, RED is going to be coming out with a 28k camera... err... soon. It's been delayed a lot but it's going to be released sooner or later.

The Epic will FAIL. No one can work with 28K footage let alone 8K footage. Dealing with proxy files is a b**** and rendering 4K takes ages. Until our editing and post systems catch up with the processing power it's completely pointless. We've been shooting in 4K and projecting in 4K for years. About 6 years ago I used to get invited to the now defunct Digital Cinema Lab in Hollywood to watch films shot and projected in 4K. Needless to say they looked amazing. The films they showed were one's that were about to be released into the theaters like The Da Vinci Code, Cars and one of the Pirates films. Out of the gate the Red One was a giant skidmark but since they've worked out the bugs it's decent. They've been delaying the scarlet forever and keep bumping the price. Now that Canon has the 5D Mark II it's going to have to reevaluate it's marketing strategy. Sorry for the rant, it's been a while since this has been brought up in any of my circles.

[AppleBonker]

Can the eye tell the difference?

The short of it, not to the average eye. The long of it, it depends on how large the screen is. Anything over a 10' diagonal you might see a difference if you're up close.

Depends on your definition of close, and average. My rough estimate would be about 7-8' away from a ten-foot screen is where someone with 20/20 vision would begin to resolve pixels on a 4320p screen. However, on a 120" screen, that same person would begin to resolve pixels at around 15.5'. Some people have vision better than 20/20, which would make this distance even shorter. 16' away from a ten-foot screen is pretty close, but I would totally sit that close if I had a theater in my basement and the projector designed for it.

[Empty V]

Depends on your definition of close, and average. My rough estimate would be about 7-8' away from a ten-foot screen is where someone with 20/20 vision would begin to resolve pixels on a 4320p screen. However, on a 120" screen, that same person would begin to resolve pixels at around 15.5'. Some people have vision better than 20/20, which would make this distance even shorter. 16' away from a ten-foot screen is pretty close, but I would totally sit that close if I had a theater in my basement and the projector designed for it.

From my experience in a full commercial theater (not sure of the average size) it's hard to tell a difference between 2K projected at 4K and 4K projected at 4K. So I highly doubt you'd be able to see a difference on a 120" diag sitting any distance away with perfect vision. BTW 4320P is BS because no one can view it from anything other then a $500K projector. Unless there's some crazy sheeet that's come out recently that I'm not aware of (which could always be a possibility).

[AppleBonker]

You're not making any sense.

From my experience in a full commercial theater (not sure of the average size) it's hard to tell a difference between 2K projected at 4K and 4K projected at 4K

This comment is meaningless without a viewing distance. If you parked a car on the moon I wouldn't be able to see it with the naked eye either. But put it right next to me and it's pretty obvious.

So I highly doubt you'd be able to see a difference on a 120" diag sitting any distance away with perfect vision

Well, that resolution and screen size would equate to a pixel that is roughly 0.242 inches wide (0.61 mm). In reality, the pixel would be slightly less than this due to the fact that the pixels don't actually overlap, but it's a reasonable estimate. So, clearly there is a distance where you'd be able to see the individual pixel. I'm pretty sure I can use a ruler to measure things to the nearest 0.5 mm.

[Empty V]

Sorry I didn't realize that I had to further define sitting in a commercial theater.

You can attempt to measure pixels that don't exist all you want but it's all about what the eye perceives and at a certain point, it becomes pointless.

[AppleBonker]

But that's the point. With a projector at this resolution, you could sit eight feet from a ten foot screen. I would totally do this. With a 1080p projector, the pixels can be resolved at this distance and you wouldn't be able to sit that close. I might be one of the few crazy enough to want to sit that close, but that's the best way to get a huge image. Everyone wants a huge screen, but no one wants to sit close enough to make it look even bigger. Mind bottling.

And as far as the commercial theater goes, I don't know how close you can get to those screens (I don't really go to the theater that often - watching at home is infinitely excellent). Plus, doing so puts you way below the screen and not at an ideal viewing angle anyway. On top of that, don't most theaters still use actual film to project the image? I didn't think they were making the switch to digital video...

[Empty V]

But that's the point. With a projector at this resolution, you could sit eight feet from a ten foot screen. I would totally do this. With a 1080p projector, the pixels can be resolved at this distance and you wouldn't be able to sit that close. I might be one of the few crazy enough to want to sit that close, but that's the best way to get a huge image. Everyone wants a huge screen, but no one wants to sit close enough to make it look even bigger. Mind bottling.

And as far as the commercial theater goes, I don't know how close you can get to those screens (I don't really go to the theater that often - watching at home is infinitely excellent). Plus, doing so puts you way below the screen and not at an ideal viewing angle anyway. On top of that, don't most theaters still use actual film to project the image? I didn't think they were making the switch to digital video...

Yeah sitting close enough to define a pixel would tweak me out. If there is a film worth viewing in the theater I organize what we (my film group friends) call ÄrcLight Nights. I'll buy up an entire row of tickets because you can reserve your seats in advance. The ArcLight is one of the oldest theaters complexes in LA, and they have this huge theater originally designed for 70mm (IMAX) projection called the Cinerama dome that opened up in the early 1960's. Since then, it's been retrofitted with I believe a Christie/Sony 4K projector and they change it out for 3D, which I think is 2x 4K projectors with polarized lenses. The seats are the best imaginable and there aren't any commercials before the films. On the weekends an ArcLight employee will come out right before they roll the trailers and introduce the film, it's damn cool.

A lot of theaters are slowly transitioning to digital projection mainly because it cuts down costs. 1, you don't have to dela with loading and unloading the projectors, 2 less moving parts means less maintenance, 3 lowered costs of actual media.Eventually they will pay for themselves as long as they keep ticket prices down and attendance up. A feww weeks ago we saw Resident Evil: Afterlife 3D in the Dome and the tickets were $18.50/ea, OUCH! But it was a great experience and walked down the street to Roscoe's Chicken N' Waffles afterwards.

[AppleBonker]

See, I figured the studios would try to avoid digital because it's easier to pirate. Digital copies flying around to all the theaters out there would almost certainly end up on the internet (and at much higher quality that people setting up a camera in the theater). The studios are pretty freaking anal about this stuff.

[PoorManQ45]

These companies need to stop focusing on resolution.

The dot pitch on Televisions is horrible!

Try using a 32" 1080p TV as a monitor once. Use it like a graphic designer would use a 30(I know, 2650x1600...) and sit about 2~3ft from it. I hope you enjoy looking between pixels! They're spaced so far apart it's ridiculous!

I believe the optimal viewing distance would decrease for a given resolution if they would focus on dot pitch reductions. This would allow you to sit much closer to the screen then a standard matrix layout

[PoorManQ45]

What do you think is optimal viewing distance for this picture?

I'm thinking the distant from your head to the tank on the toilet would be about right.

That picture is truely worthy!

[RCA]

These companies need to stop focusing on resolution.

The dot pitch on Televisions is horrible!

Try using a 32" 1080p TV as a monitor once. Use it like a graphic designer would use a 30(I know, 2650x1600...) and sit about 2~3ft from it. I hope you enjoy looking between pixels! They're spaced so far apart it's ridiculous!

I believe the optimal viewing distance would decrease for a given resolution if they would focus on dot pitch reductions. This would allow you to sit much closer to the screen then a standard matrix layout

Yeah that's why you don't use a TV as a monitor. Monitors are designed to have a MUCH shorter viewing distance. I usually watch TV on my monitor, it's pretty sweet.

[PoorManQ45]

I use my 42" LCD as a monitor, but I'm 10ft away from it... It works well from this distance for games

[RCA]

Movies and games is the only use I can come up with.

I used to use a 42' Vizio as a second monitor with a viewing distance of about 2 feet.