4 lug to 5 lug

[psyclone69]

How hard is it to do this conversion, from a 4 lug to 5 lug hub. Are there any differences between the 2?

[y3llows14]

You can do this in 5 minutes. Just glue one more lug to the hub. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure that out, Jk. Sport Compact Car shorws how to do in ther project silvia.http://www.sportcompactcarweb....lvia/

[psyclone69]

Thats for swapping alot of the suspension with a s13 and 300zx, I have a 95 base with 4 lugs, and am wandering about a 95 se 5 lug swap.

[y3llows14]

"Up front, the conversion means switching to the five-lug front hubs from the S14 (1995-1998) 240SX SE. The S14 used larger front spindles, however, so you also need to use them. The S14 spindle looks like it will bolt on to the S13 suspension, but it won't. The strut bolts are larger so you'll have to use the bolts from the S14 and enlarge the holes in your struts to make this work."

Read some more....it shouldn't be that much of a difference with the S14.

[Team503]

Is there a comprehensive parts list anywhere? I can figure it out, but I'd rather not.

Unrelated question to that comment: would the Tein suspension for the S13 work with the five lug conversion? I know SCC mentioned a different rear shock mount, but it wasn't clear on what options there are, just that they ordered a custom shock.

[psyclone69]

Well I have a 95 S14, so then the spindles from a 5 lug should bolt right in, right? I called the parts place, and they said there was no difference in 95 front struts, so I am guessing theyll fit right in? What about the rears, they just come right off?

[Mayhem_J30]

why would you want to go through the trouble for an extra lug nut?

[MaineExport]

why would you want to go through the trouble for an extra lug nut?

AMEN!!! Someone else with some common sense!! All it does is add extra weight... and don't tell me you're pushing enough horsepower where the strength of a 4-lug would be questionable!

[psyclone69]

Also I have 18x8 inch konig wheels that'll fit my 240, so I won't have to buy new wheels, and I can do brake upgrades easier.

[MikeS14240sx]

why would you want to go through the trouble for an extra lug nut?

Cause its hard as hell to find anything good to fit the 4 lug. and your limited on size of wheel to. 17x8 is the larges wheel i've seen for the 4x114.3 lug pattern.

[nametakennow]

SCC, Nov 2002.

[Mayhem_J30]

And you need a wheel larger than 17x8 because....

exactly. 18's look good but they're pushing the bounderies of necessity. the ride begins to get to rough. i doubt you gain any sort of performance with a larger wheel. On real roads it'll most likely only hurt your grip the larger you go after 17". Unless your riding on a super smooth race track... There's plenty of 17's to pick from. If it means that much to you by all means complete the conversion project, but I myself could never justify spending the money and going through the trouble just to buy a wheel that's more expensive and to wrap it with a tire that's also more expensive only to yield zero performance results.

[Sygerwulf]

lol I must do the lug conversion because I'm getting a set of wheels/tires for $200 which I cannot refuse

[psyclone69]

So if I have a 95 s14, 4 lug, I can just take the front spindles, and rear hubs off and swap them? The SCC had an s13 and 300zx hub swap, not 4 lug s14 to 5 lug s15.

[nametakennow]

Yeah, but I would think it's roughly the same process.

[NiSilS14]

with 5 lug appilications its easier to find things like wheels for instance, and brake systems are also easier. and suspension (i think)

[MaineExport]

Originally posted by NiSilS14 Quote »with 5 lug appilications its easier to find things like wheels for instance,[/quote]Yes.

Quote » and brake systems are also easier. [/quote]No.

Quote » and suspension (i think) [/quote]No.

[NiSilS14]

for the rotors isnt it?

[NiSilS14]

it saids right in the article on the first post under 5 lug conversion fro that project silvia

[NiSilS14]

2nd post actually. sry

[APEXi240]

Wow....this thread is a bit confusing (or I'm just really tired).

5 lug...there are more wheel options. You are able to swap theZX brakes over (cheap brake upgrade). IMO 5 lug looks nicer too (this doesn't really mean jack though).

For a 95 all you need are the 5 lug hubs, in SCC they say they are like 120 each from Nissan, new. They bolt up fine to the spindles. You can you every suspension part that you have on now or are planning to get. They used different rear coilovers on the rear because they used the aluminum ZX assemblies (which are lighter than the stock ones), so the bottom piece that connects the shock has to be able to fit a Z.

[MaineExport]

for the rotors isnt it?

I'm saying it iseasier to upgrade brakes on your stock 4-lug, then switch to 5-lug and THEN get brake upgrades. Either way, there is nothing more or less difficult in finding, buying, or installing brake pads, rotors etc... etc....

I believe the 5-lug swap is ENTIRELY USELESS!!! If it's asthetics you want... then by all means, do the swap. But it gets annoying to hear people trying to justify the swap as something that is "performance" oriented. I have not heard ONE viable argument about the 5-lug performing better than the 4-lug..... all it is, is heavier! Unless you are pushing 500+ hp to the rear wheels (even then it is questionable) you have NO REASON for 5-lugs. It was put on the SE for looks only.

[PSI240SX]

I just did the swap on my 96. The fronts are easy as pie. Take the calipers off, then the rotor, pop the dust cap off with a hammer and screwdriver, loosen giant nut, slide hub off, install new 5 lug hub, your done! The rears are a little more complicated, get the rear off the ground, take all the bolts that hold your axles to your diff. take brakes off as well, I took my dust shield off because it was easier to work on, I did not put the shield back on either. Take the cotter pin out of the axle, loosen nut. There are 4 bolts that actually hold the hub onto the car, take them out, slide hub off, replace with 5 lug one. Not sure why you have to undo the axles, I didnt really do the rears, a friend did, but he definately had them out. Oh yeah, I had to take my exhaust off as well. Its relatively easy, just takes a little time thats all. I got all 4 hubs for $140 at a junkyard!

[AunVoh]

why the f*ck did you have to take off the axles and your exhaust? and what do you mean you didn't do it but your friend did, i think your friend did alot of work he didn't have to do

[psyclone69]

Hey PSI240SX, so all you had to do was swap the hubs around, nothing else at all? just replace, calipers fit on fine afterwards?

[hpfiend]

Ok guys, Are there brake options as good as the 300zx upgrade as cheap for the 4 lug guys?

Thanks,Andrew

[NiSilS14]

check heavy throttle

[psyclone69]

just got done doing the front 5 lug swap, for $400, I got the 4 hub/spindle/rotor set's, and SE 16 in wheels and tires, with practically new tires on them. I just swapped the hubs, and left the spindles, so I have spare s14 front and rear spindles, the fronts took about 20 minutes each side, with using hand tools, and muscle, no air tools, sucked. DOing the reaers in the morning.

[hpfiend]

Check heavy throttle? Is that some sort of code? What does that mean?

Thanks,Andrew

[psyclone69]

all done looks much better with se wheels