I tried search and it sucks so whatever. Anyways I want to put starion rims on my car. And my car is 4 lug what do I need to make it 5 lug? Mainly I want to know if I can use 84-89 300ZX Brakes and calipers to do it? Obviously it would help with stopping but what else would I need besides the brakes and calipers? And what cars can I get them from, we have a ton of junk yards out here in So Cal so there shouldn't be a problem finding the parts. Also what do you guys recomend I use new? like what bearings and stuff like that. Any help would be great. I tried searching so please don't respond with use searh to boost your post count. EVEN if you find something I don't care. I'm asking something different
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4 lug to 5 lug conversion
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sensibleS13driver
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Re: 4 lug to 5 lug conversion (CybeRise)
For the price of the wheels and the conversion you could buy yourself a Starion lol. I also love those wheels, and have wondered about using Z31 components for a conversion
Re: (CybeRise)
ok with those rims i am not sure if you'd be able to run bigger calipers. but as far as the five lug convertion goes this is what you need, it is easier if you just pull the front hubs and knuckles from a z32 or a five lug s14, the one's from j30 may work too, not sure though. the rears you need to get the hubs from the above cars, it is held in place by 4 bolts and to remove those bolts you have to remove the axles. or you could just order the hubs from PDM racing, it is gonna cost you a couple of hundreds more. good luck
Since its a S14 all you need is 5 lug front and rear hubs. S14 hubs will work for front and back and 300zx rear N/A hubs will work for the rear too. I suggest buying new, they should be around $400ish new. With the spoke design I don't think you will be able to run Z brakes. They may stick out a little with the offset of the rims too.
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Axel Grungy
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Re: (Axel Grungy)
A few friends and me were messing around with a shop car. We decided to put conquest rims on it.
Yes those are 2 conquests in the backround on the right
Yes those are 2 conquests in the backround on the right
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GhostDriver
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Quote »Anyways I want to put starion rims on my car. And my car is 4 lug what do I need to make it 5 lug? Mainly I want to know if I can use 84-89 300ZX Brakes and calipers to do it? [/quote]The short answer is you can't. The brakes are almost irrelevant to swapping to 5 lug hubs and I haven't heard of anyone attempting the brake swap with Z31 hardware.
The long answer is a bit different though.
Sounds, to me, like a good time to get new hubs since you'll get new wheel bearings with them. You S14 guys have it lucky when it comes to 5 lug conversions since you can just upgrade to the SE hubs (as previously stated).
You don't have to have bigger brakes to convert to 5 lug. You should just need 5 lug S14 rotors. Or you could have your current rotors redrilled.
As far as the Z31 brakes go I've never heard of anyone using them. They might work but then again they might not.
If you aren't tracking your car or driving it really hard often a new set of rotors (different people say different things concerning just using the stock rotors but I'd go with genuine Brembo rotors), some good pads (I run Pagid Blues on my M3 and they have plenty of bite), combined with some stainless lines, and DOT 5 brake fluid should equate to more braking power than you'll ever need on the street. Of course to really effect your stopping distances you'll need stickier tires.
The 26mm calipers clear more wheels than the 30mm calipers so if you're worried about fitment get the 26's.
From http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm#frontbrake
Quote » The "26mm Aluminum" calipers were used ONLY on 1990 non-turbos. They used a 280mm x 26mm rotor.
The "30mm Aluminum" calipers were used on 1990 Twin-turbos and ALL 1991-1992.5 300ZX's (both turbo and non-turbo alike). They used a 280mm x 30mm rotor.
The "30mm Iron" calipers were used on ALL 1992.5-1996 300ZX's (both turbo and non-turbo alike). They also used the 280mm x 30mm rotor. [/quote]No mention of Z31 calipers. I'm sure that if they fit someone would have figured it out by now. Especially with as many people complaining about how hard it is to find Z32's in junkyards. If you really want to use Z31 calipers be prepared to fabricate mounting brackets.
EDIT: There is a good chance the Starion wheels won't clear Z brakes but Q45 brakes may still be an option. As far as I know the only major difference is the calliper width and that they may be down a piston compared to the Z brakes but I'm not to sure on the latter.
EDIT 2: You're going to need to make sure the starion wheels have the same lug pattern as the Nissan hubs. The hub bore may be to small as well. This information may be listed in Exar Kuns wheel faq over in the suspension forum but these wheels are a little obscure so you'll want to check and double check before commiting. They do look like nice wheels though. Should be interesting on an S14.
Modified by Veriest1 at 6:53 AM 7/30/2005
The long answer is a bit different though.
Sounds, to me, like a good time to get new hubs since you'll get new wheel bearings with them. You S14 guys have it lucky when it comes to 5 lug conversions since you can just upgrade to the SE hubs (as previously stated).
You don't have to have bigger brakes to convert to 5 lug. You should just need 5 lug S14 rotors. Or you could have your current rotors redrilled.
As far as the Z31 brakes go I've never heard of anyone using them. They might work but then again they might not.
If you aren't tracking your car or driving it really hard often a new set of rotors (different people say different things concerning just using the stock rotors but I'd go with genuine Brembo rotors), some good pads (I run Pagid Blues on my M3 and they have plenty of bite), combined with some stainless lines, and DOT 5 brake fluid should equate to more braking power than you'll ever need on the street. Of course to really effect your stopping distances you'll need stickier tires.
The 26mm calipers clear more wheels than the 30mm calipers so if you're worried about fitment get the 26's.
From http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm#frontbrake
Quote » The "26mm Aluminum" calipers were used ONLY on 1990 non-turbos. They used a 280mm x 26mm rotor.
The "30mm Aluminum" calipers were used on 1990 Twin-turbos and ALL 1991-1992.5 300ZX's (both turbo and non-turbo alike). They used a 280mm x 30mm rotor.
The "30mm Iron" calipers were used on ALL 1992.5-1996 300ZX's (both turbo and non-turbo alike). They also used the 280mm x 30mm rotor. [/quote]No mention of Z31 calipers. I'm sure that if they fit someone would have figured it out by now. Especially with as many people complaining about how hard it is to find Z32's in junkyards. If you really want to use Z31 calipers be prepared to fabricate mounting brackets.
EDIT: There is a good chance the Starion wheels won't clear Z brakes but Q45 brakes may still be an option. As far as I know the only major difference is the calliper width and that they may be down a piston compared to the Z brakes but I'm not to sure on the latter.
EDIT 2: You're going to need to make sure the starion wheels have the same lug pattern as the Nissan hubs. The hub bore may be to small as well. This information may be listed in Exar Kuns wheel faq over in the suspension forum but these wheels are a little obscure so you'll want to check and double check before commiting. They do look like nice wheels though. Should be interesting on an S14.
Modified by Veriest1 at 6:53 AM 7/30/2005
as far as getting SE parts from the dealer goes... The problem is I am married and I have a limit on the amount of money I can spend on the car. Going to the dealer for anything is not on option. Last time I was there I paid 120 for a 3 $ sensor.
I'm not hell bent on using Z31 parts, I just thought that would be the cheapest route. I won't find any S14s in junkyards here muchless a SE. What other otions would someone on a budget have?
I'm not hell bent on using Z31 parts, I just thought that would be the cheapest route. I won't find any S14s in junkyards here muchless a SE. What other otions would someone on a budget have?
Look in the classifieds section. It seems like a lot of people have wrecked their cars in the last month so a set of SE hubs may still be available. Fire off the e-mails.
Other than that check autozone/o'rielly/napa/whatever and see what they're charging. They should be cheaper than the dealer but when I was looking for S14 rears for my S13 they were having a very hard time finding any.
Other than that check autozone/o'rielly/napa/whatever and see what they're charging. They should be cheaper than the dealer but when I was looking for S14 rears for my S13 they were having a very hard time finding any.
Re: (CybeRise)
ok i am gonna give you a budget list on how to do your five lug. rear ones, look in the classified, you can find the hubs for about 150, forget autozone, kragen or whatever big name store they don't know shyt. go to allied auto wichester auto or whatever specialty auto store that deal mainly with mechanic shops and get your rotors, i got mine from allied , 13 dollers a pop, made in italy. kragen wanted 45 a pop made in taiwan.front, buy the rotors from the above mentioned stores, i got new z32 rotors made in the usa for 25 bucks a pop. the regular s14 one were like 18 bucks. my front hubs came with my clip, but you can find them in junk yards( dountfull) classifed section ( somewhat likely) check the stores i mentioned above, or get brand new ones from PDM racing they are 300 something ( i think baqck ordered) and 500 something ( instock) or just go and try ones from a j30 , i think it would fit, it is worth a try , you find more j30's in junk yards than s14's and z32s..good luck