300zx NA or TT
300zx NA or TT
I know there has been a post similar to this but let me give u my situation. I am a student(young still in high school) and Im looking into a 300zx however I am concerned with the insurance prices and was wondering, if u were in this situation which you would get and why. Also insurance is a big deal for me right now because im a young driver.
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evildky
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ok, forgive me but, how about you check with your insurace agent? or better yet you can go to progressive.coma and get a quote on as many cars as you want and get some real world value not just some guy's opinion on what they think it'll cost, the TT for me was not much differetn then the N/a, heck my S30 cost more to insure, your results may vary, but hit it up on the insurance company website or call your friendly neighborhood agent and you can have hard numbers to consider, honestly is your in highschool, chances are you need a sentra till you have some years of experience under your belt, then the ins will be cheaper and you'll be more experienced and vcapable of handling the car
Re: 300zx NA or TT (blade21)
Whats goin on Nathan, evil's got a point about checking with insurance companies instead of the guys here at Nico. It probably wont make a very big difference in this case if its NA or TT. As far as experience goes, generally evildky would be right but i have ridden with you several times, you're a damn good driver for someone our age and i think if you got a Z32 and stayed safer for the first few months and slowing got the hang of your car you'd be just fine. Take it easy man and call me up when u get some damn free time.
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You're going to be just as SCREWED on your insurance rates with a normally aspirated Z as you would with a twin-turbo.
Get an Altima if you want decent insurance rates.
With any forced induction vehicle, you're going to likely incur higher maintenance costs and bigger repair bills when it breaks... If I'm on a limited budget, I'd probably avoid the 300ZX altogether and go for something a little cheaper to work on.
I'm a little biased on the subject, but the 240SX is a decent car with a motor that is ULTRA-cheap to work on...insurance is cheap too. It's definitely not a Z and it's not a V6, but it's probably got plenty of zip for a teenager and won't break your bank.
Get an Altima if you want decent insurance rates.
With any forced induction vehicle, you're going to likely incur higher maintenance costs and bigger repair bills when it breaks... If I'm on a limited budget, I'd probably avoid the 300ZX altogether and go for something a little cheaper to work on.
I'm a little biased on the subject, but the 240SX is a decent car with a motor that is ULTRA-cheap to work on...insurance is cheap too. It's definitely not a Z and it's not a V6, but it's probably got plenty of zip for a teenager and won't break your bank.
Re: (bryanmenard)
I sincerely doubt hes going to get a 240 or an altima or sentra mostly because he already has a maxima and has had it for a while. 96 GLE.
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Re: (GTR)
Well, his profile said "considering 240SX" so I figured it was worth discussing. Sorry for the suggestion.
Re: (bryanmenard)
Nah its not that everyones just like oh youre a kid get a slow-*** car. 240's are cool as heck but theyre slow as HELL. Nathan didnt you tell me you disliked 240's when i suggested that?
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Re: (GTR)
I agree! Slow as molasses. They were the last affordable rear-wheel-drive Japanese car. Everything new is front-wheel-drive or all-wheel-drive and that just plain SUCKSGTR wrote:240's are cool as heck but theyre slow as HELL
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Re: (bryanmenard)
do you have any proof to back this up? i am pretty damn sure insurance on twin turbo Z will be a hell of a lot more than a N/A Z.bryanmenard wrote:You're going to be just as SCREWED on your insurance rates with a normally aspirated Z as you would with a twin-turbo.
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Re: (freakonaleash1187)
run yourself a quote on any insurance web site. to be absolutely sure, use a vin number from an e-bay tt car and a n/a car.freakonaleash1187 wrote:
do you have any proof to back this up? i am pretty damn sure insurance on twin turbo Z will be a hell of a lot more than a N/A Z.
The difference is negligible.
Re: (bryanmenard)
i say get the N/A.. look insurance is gonna be the least of your worries.. maintnance and upkeep on a 15 year or so car is not gonna be cheap. the Z32 is probably the hardest Z to work on and its not cheap... it was the most expensive Z car ever made. after 10 to 15 years or so the car is going to need a little more work then a newer car and if your worried bout insurance cost.. wait till you see the bill for having to replace your turbos or having to change your timing belt or blown head gasket.......
Re: 300zx NA or TT (blade21)
ONE MAN'S STORY OF AN N/A PURCHASE IN HIGH SCHOOL...
Well the classic debate of TT an N/A, never ceases to amaze anyone I'm sure. If you ever, ever, ever, EVER think you will want to race a TT 300zx or a nice F-Body (whever it is u cruise) go TT. If you have a huge pride complex, or want to feel the domination of a TT go TT, you will sorely regret it everytime some one pulls up next to you and shouts the CLASSIC question "Is that the TWIN TURBO" and you have to lie, or say no... yes it does happen almost everyday I take my car out and have a window down. Hence the reason for my now link forever with the car on the quest to make it... Twin Turbo....
I bought an N/A Junior Year in HS, basically was a dead Z and rebuilt the N/A cause I felt so bad for the damn thing. Now a well spent 4k later, I'm starting to battle the bigger power contenders on the strip and have a mind stressing, heart pounding turbo conversion going on. The amount of work, time, effort, stress is only worth it if you are hell bent on your 2+2, Convertible, or value the car sentimentally like I do. If I would have known the extent of trouble post N/A I would have went TT to start HANDS DOWN.
Basically the best advice I can offer from the hand's on experience is that getting something that will suit your budget now, may reach you months down the road as being impatient. If you want a ZX at all, in my opinion only here people, a twin turbo is the only way to experience the epic Fairlady and it has been one of my deeper regrets not to have done it to start. If your a fanatic about the 300zx, even a little now, and plan to keep the car a long time GO TT.
Changing Your MindChanging your mind later, swapping out, or adding turbos --> some troubleDifferences in the TT include butter fuel pump ( used 150ish), oil pump (used 170ish), (160ish used) injectors, ($?)radiator(somewhat), HICAS Suspension (no one cares about it too much anymore go aftermarket) (200+), TT Spoiler (100.00), TT badge (30.00), um TURBOS (500-900), intercoolers (60 a piece), intercooler piping system (300.00), Pistons are different and you SHOULD replace them since compression is 12.1 in a N/A and the TT has a much safer compression of 10.2 or something so that is gonna cost hmm 500.00, ECU or piggy back computer (200-300). Well thats the basics of a TT system, now add install costs, U GET THE PICTURE.....
Upside of my N/A purchaseThe N/A will use less fuel, and doesn't HAVE to run on top notch gas or oilHave less components to fixHave less components to acutally break lolEasier to find parts for, a little easierYou still will get a very good "head turn" investmentYou will pick off civics, tegs, scions, but the challengers in a zx often turned out to be Camaros, Trans Ams, and Vettes for me as I started to provoke interest in my town. These guys are running on a lot stock, if you want some push against them ---> go TT, if u don't care ---> N/A
If you work on cars, and can navigate parts cars and auctions online for parts you can easily fix your TT. I will be trying to build up the Z32 Section as a moderator and explain a cheaper conversion and the tricks to it for my N/A. My total conversion parts cost is right around 1k right now, 1k with the right know how and deal hunting. So if I can buy all the parts for a TT conversion for around 1-1.5k she really can't be that expensive to fix on your own compared to a monstrous mechanic charge...
Insurance, not a big deal much anymore. Substainally it has been getting better for the TT since there are indeed bigger threats to lives than a 15 yr old car, but if your worried about getting food or paying insurance at the end of the month, u shouldn't be shopping for a nice car anyway.... Just saying as logical reasoning for anyone is to get a runner and save for a little time until ur ready to go.
Still working on the conversion, have a question, please ask I'm glad to help
Well the classic debate of TT an N/A, never ceases to amaze anyone I'm sure. If you ever, ever, ever, EVER think you will want to race a TT 300zx or a nice F-Body (whever it is u cruise) go TT. If you have a huge pride complex, or want to feel the domination of a TT go TT, you will sorely regret it everytime some one pulls up next to you and shouts the CLASSIC question "Is that the TWIN TURBO" and you have to lie, or say no... yes it does happen almost everyday I take my car out and have a window down. Hence the reason for my now link forever with the car on the quest to make it... Twin Turbo....
I bought an N/A Junior Year in HS, basically was a dead Z and rebuilt the N/A cause I felt so bad for the damn thing. Now a well spent 4k later, I'm starting to battle the bigger power contenders on the strip and have a mind stressing, heart pounding turbo conversion going on. The amount of work, time, effort, stress is only worth it if you are hell bent on your 2+2, Convertible, or value the car sentimentally like I do. If I would have known the extent of trouble post N/A I would have went TT to start HANDS DOWN.
Basically the best advice I can offer from the hand's on experience is that getting something that will suit your budget now, may reach you months down the road as being impatient. If you want a ZX at all, in my opinion only here people, a twin turbo is the only way to experience the epic Fairlady and it has been one of my deeper regrets not to have done it to start. If your a fanatic about the 300zx, even a little now, and plan to keep the car a long time GO TT.
Changing Your MindChanging your mind later, swapping out, or adding turbos --> some troubleDifferences in the TT include butter fuel pump ( used 150ish), oil pump (used 170ish), (160ish used) injectors, ($?)radiator(somewhat), HICAS Suspension (no one cares about it too much anymore go aftermarket) (200+), TT Spoiler (100.00), TT badge (30.00), um TURBOS (500-900), intercoolers (60 a piece), intercooler piping system (300.00), Pistons are different and you SHOULD replace them since compression is 12.1 in a N/A and the TT has a much safer compression of 10.2 or something so that is gonna cost hmm 500.00, ECU or piggy back computer (200-300). Well thats the basics of a TT system, now add install costs, U GET THE PICTURE.....
Upside of my N/A purchaseThe N/A will use less fuel, and doesn't HAVE to run on top notch gas or oilHave less components to fixHave less components to acutally break lolEasier to find parts for, a little easierYou still will get a very good "head turn" investmentYou will pick off civics, tegs, scions, but the challengers in a zx often turned out to be Camaros, Trans Ams, and Vettes for me as I started to provoke interest in my town. These guys are running on a lot stock, if you want some push against them ---> go TT, if u don't care ---> N/A
If you work on cars, and can navigate parts cars and auctions online for parts you can easily fix your TT. I will be trying to build up the Z32 Section as a moderator and explain a cheaper conversion and the tricks to it for my N/A. My total conversion parts cost is right around 1k right now, 1k with the right know how and deal hunting. So if I can buy all the parts for a TT conversion for around 1-1.5k she really can't be that expensive to fix on your own compared to a monstrous mechanic charge...
Insurance, not a big deal much anymore. Substainally it has been getting better for the TT since there are indeed bigger threats to lives than a 15 yr old car, but if your worried about getting food or paying insurance at the end of the month, u shouldn't be shopping for a nice car anyway.... Just saying as logical reasoning for anyone is to get a runner and save for a little time until ur ready to go.
Still working on the conversion, have a question, please ask I'm glad to help
Honestly, get a 240SX and mod it and learn how to work on cars that way. I've owned both a 91 TT 300ZX, and I currently have 3 240SX's. I'm 23 and with a few years of driving under my belt and I still to this day dont know how I DIDNT get killed in my 240SX a hand ful of times during my junior year of highschool.
Also, under the hood of my 91 TT was a collection of hoses and wires I had no clue how to work on. This is at 19. After selling my 300ZX, I regret doing so now. But Im glad I did at the time.A 240SX isnt slow as hell in stock form. I bought a 92 S13 with 72,000 on the clock and with some basic bolt ons I lost to an LT1 by a couple car lengths. Now, with a KA-T, again basic bolt on T25 from my other S13's SR and 370cc injectors, I have handed a TT it's *** in a race.
Why you ask do I want a Z, basically because it's NOT a poor man's sports car. They retailed for 40K+ when new, and they just like a sports car. But like a 40K Retail car vs a 15K retail, the mechanics of each are within the same ratio.
S13's are cheese to work on, and a great learning experience for other cars.
Overall the point of this whole post is to tell you not to just jump into a car like a 300ZX blind. TT or not, the car isnt the easiest thing to work on. And if you're wondering about the cost difference of insurance between the two, you cant afford to fix a Z if you dont know how. Buy a 240SX, S13 with a good body, drive it hard, break stuff, join forums and learn how to fix what you broke and after all of that, the next look under the hood of ANY car, will make worlds more sense
Also, under the hood of my 91 TT was a collection of hoses and wires I had no clue how to work on. This is at 19. After selling my 300ZX, I regret doing so now. But Im glad I did at the time.A 240SX isnt slow as hell in stock form. I bought a 92 S13 with 72,000 on the clock and with some basic bolt ons I lost to an LT1 by a couple car lengths. Now, with a KA-T, again basic bolt on T25 from my other S13's SR and 370cc injectors, I have handed a TT it's *** in a race.
Why you ask do I want a Z, basically because it's NOT a poor man's sports car. They retailed for 40K+ when new, and they just like a sports car. But like a 40K Retail car vs a 15K retail, the mechanics of each are within the same ratio.
S13's are cheese to work on, and a great learning experience for other cars.
Overall the point of this whole post is to tell you not to just jump into a car like a 300ZX blind. TT or not, the car isnt the easiest thing to work on. And if you're wondering about the cost difference of insurance between the two, you cant afford to fix a Z if you dont know how. Buy a 240SX, S13 with a good body, drive it hard, break stuff, join forums and learn how to fix what you broke and after all of that, the next look under the hood of ANY car, will make worlds more sense