300zx brakes=bolt on??

[hek1620]

i need to change my brakes. but i don't want to replace with stockers. do z32 brakes just bolt on (diy) or would i need to have someone do it for me. i just have regular tools nothing special. i definitely can't fab up brackets or anything. spanks.

[ILikeMy240sx]

bolt on except you need metal cutting scissors (forget what that's called) because you need to cut your dust shield around the rotor since the rotor you will be putting on is larger.

Also you need flare wrenches because you dont want to strip those nuts...

Might also want to get a can of PB blaster but since your in FL you might not need much. It will still help.

[colies97~240sx]

Here is the best write up I have found. I'm probably bias though because I know Chris and the brakes in the write up are now on my car. http://www.zilvia.net/installs/zbrakes/300zx.asp It has all the part numbers, tools, etc required for the upgrade. Yes I realize that its on zilvia. You can also search NICO and look through the Nissan Articles for writeups on it as well zeroforum?id=116

[Clatch]

This might be an overused question, but will Z32 TT brakes clear stock S13 SE alloys?

[KDashy]

This might be an overused question, but will Z32 TT brakes clear stock S13 SE alloys?

I think I remember seeing a thread about this, there are apparently two versions of the S13 7 spoke alloys, one that clears them one that dosent.

If you look behind your alloys, if there are metal arches supporting the spokes, than it wont clear the z brakes, if there arent, then it will.

[DjPantsSpecR]

No one even asked this guy if he had four or five lug, or else you are gonna have to throw down some more dough to have them drilled

some misinformation here

only one version of the alloys, two versions of Z32 Brakes

to the best of my recolection of when i used to have money and the ability to purchase said brakes, you can clear S13 alloys if you buy the 26mm calipers and rotors, the 30mm are the ones that wont fit

to my knowledge, and some autozone trips, the N/A (not TT) 300zx has the 26mm brakes and i think they only come on 89-90's but i'm not too sure

just check out autozone, cuz if you can get the core charge a pair of 300zx calipers are only 52 bucks

[Clatch]

After some reading you are correct, 26mm only came on the 89-90 NA's. Also, since I have an S13 and consequently 4-lug with SE wheels, will the 26mm calipers be a bolt on deal with re-drilled rotors. I don't know or not since the Zilvia write-up is on a five lug S14.

Basically what I'm asking is can I get a complete install for a four lug S13 with these parts.

- 2 Front Calipers: 41001-30P00 / 41011-30P00 Manufacture date 2/89 – 7/90 (N/A Aluminum 26mm)

- Hardware Kit: 41080-40P25 Twin Turbo or N/A calipers manufactured 2/89 – 8/89

- Spring Return: 41090-50P01 N/A calipers manufactured 2/89 – 7/90

- Pin: 41217-30P00 N/A calipers manufactured 2/89 – 7/90

- Clip: 41218-30P00 N/A calipers manufactured 2/89 – 7/89

- Stainless steel braided front brake lines designed for the 240SX -> 300ZX conversion

- Re-drilled rotors

- Brake Pads

- Speed Bleeders

Also, what kind of brake fluid would you guys reccomend for agressive daily driving?
Modified by Clatch at 6:37 AM 10/4/2005

[DjPantsSpecR]

my friend has the 26mm's on his stock SE's so yes, and they look badass under there too, matching color and such, you'll see....

[Clatch]

Sweet, no hub swapping or anything, direct bolt-on, niiice? So this is really looking like it will be my first serious performance mod.

[DjPantsSpecR]

right after you throw down like 50 bones to get them drilled for 4x114.3

[Clatch]

50 bones is a hella lot cheaper than five lug hubs, spindles, wheels, and tires . Oh yeah, any idea where I can get rotors profesionally drilled?

[ILikeMy240sx]

http://www.pdm-racing.com/prod....html

sells Z32 rotors that are also avail with 4 lub bolt holes... only 16 a piece to get it drilled.

[Clatch]

So I figured it out, for a complete S13 4-lug 26mm Z32 swap it would be roughly $471.40 without shipping for any of the parts or tax. I also found that Heavy Throttle has the best deal so far, you get conversion lines, pre-drilled rotors, and pads for a killer $229.00 (god that saves a lot of work)! So if you ordered re-built calipers from AutoZone, OEM parts from courtesyparts.com, the swap kit from Heavy Throttle, and the oil and speed bleeders from PDM Racing it would roughly look like this...

AutoZone Fenco Reman Re-Built Calipers: $172.00OEM Brake Hardware Kit: $28.50OEM Spring Return: $6.96 (complete 2)OEM Pin: $4.66 (complete 2)OEM Clip: $13.08 (complete 2)Heavy Throttle Kit (Conversion lines, Rotors, Pads): $229.00Russell Speed Bleeders: $10.25Motul DOT 5.1 Brake Fluid: $6.95Total: $471.40

So roughly you’re looking at Z32 4 piston front brakes on your car (installed by yourself) for about $500-550 with shipping and tax depending on how much of a hook up you can get.

EDIT: I previously asked if the Z32 MC is needed, in fact it is not, but it is highly recommended. Therefore I probably wouldn't do the swap unless you are going to do the MC, some people have even stated that it worsen pedal feel and sogginess by 3 times! Also, you can fake your S13 calipers (shady) and knock $70 off the price of the calipers with the core charge trade in.
Modified by Clatch at 12:32 PM 10/4/2005

[hek1620]

so the rotors are the same diameter as s13's? and whats with all the hardware kit, spring return, pin, clip? u have to rebuild these urself? i've got the rear brakes also from an n/a zx. are these bolt on as well? these have been sitting for awhile i should get them rebuilt right?

[Clatch]

The rotors are much larger but apparently the Z32 caliper bolts right up to the stock 240 caliper mounts and fits the larger rotors. Somebody clear this up or confirm it please. Its hard to understand how a larger rotor can be put in the place of a smaller rotor and larger caliper can be put in place of the smaller caliper and everything lines up correctly (you would think you would need to fabricate some sort of extension of the stock mounting location for a any caliper to fit a larger rotor). Do the 240 and 300ZX calipers share the same mounting holes?

My list coincides with the previous mentioned site, http://www.zilvia.net/installs/zbrakes/300zx.asp. You can also check out all of these smaller items here, http://www.courtesyparts.com/z32_brakes.html. Also after looking at the hardware kit, you probably do not absolutely need this as most decent enthusiast pads come with this stuff yet the aftermarket shims will not bolt on like the OEM ones appear to. The spring return, pin, and clip are all explained on the Zilvia link.

Also, on rebuilding the caliper, if you’re not buying this stuff already re-built from AutoZone, I would defiantly rebuild all calipers. Your talking about brakes here, you certainly do not want them failing because you threw some junkyard calipers on without touching them.
Modified by Clatch at 12:43 PM 10/4/2005

[98s14inaz]

bolt on except you need metal cutting scissors (forget what that's called) because you need to cut your dust shield around the rotor since the rotor you will be putting on is larger.

FYI it is alot easier to just remove the hub, bang off the dust shield with a hammer, bolt hub back on, retourque.

[seyath]

Ok let's clear some of the confusion here...There are indeed two versions of the 7 spoke S13 rims. One will clear the 26mm caliper, the other won't. The stock wheels will not clear the 30mm caliper.Only the '90 Z32 came with the aluminum 26mm breakes. Every other Z came with the cast iron 30mm ones. Yes, the calipers do bolt on in the same exact mounting location. The "mounting arms" where the bolts go extend more than in the S13 brakes and they allow the caliper to have more clearance from the center of the hub.Any more questions shoot them out. I went through the whole damn ordeal too many times...

[hek1620]

do the rears just bolt on?

[98s14inaz]

no, the rears have an internal drum e-brake and will require some e-brake modifications. Really not worth the effort.

[hek1620]

how much are rebuilt 240 rears cuz mine have seen better days?

[nismofly]

heres what the back of your spokes need to look like:

[nismofly]

if they look like this they wont fit:

[Ni2s4s0aSnX]

No, 240 is 4-lug 300zx is 5-lug! There are conversion kits though.

[hannibal]

Ok let's clear some of the confusion here...There are indeed two versions of the 7 spoke S13 rims. One will clear the 26mm caliper, the other won't. The stock wheels will not clear the 30mm caliper.Only the '90 Z32 came with the aluminum 26mm breakes. Every other Z came with the cast iron 30mm ones. Yes, the calipers do bolt on in the same exact mounting location. The "mounting arms" where the bolts go extend more than in the S13 brakes and they allow the caliper to have more clearance from the center of the hub.Any more questions shoot them out. I went through the whole damn ordeal too many times...

You pretty much set everything straight with this post. But 30mm aluminum brakes were available until mid 92. After that, all Z brakes (NA and TT) were 30mm iron.

26mm aluminum - 90 NA30mm aluminum - 90 TT, 91-92.5 NA and TT30mm iron - 92.5-96 NA and TT

[180fan]

http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm

that should walk you through most of your questions.

[nismofly]

No, 240 is 4-lug 300zx is 5-lug! There are conversion kits though.

you can get the rotors with a 4 lug pattern at a ton of shops, pretty much the same cost iirc

[babowc]

whats the big difference between the 30mm and 26mm calipers?

if i wanted to mount the 30mm aluminum on the stock se alloys, how thick of a spacer would i need?

thankks

[tyrannix]

nevermind, answered my own question
Modified by tyrannix at 2:19 AM 11/7/2005