2JZ into S13. Questions. Yes, I searched...

[triplesixrivals240]

I've been putting together a plan within the last week on swapping my KA24DE that sits in my S13 as we speak with a 2JZGTE.

After piecing together the plan part by part(s), I've come to a few eccentric questions...(yes, I searched, and I did find the S14-2JZ swap thread, but after asking there I assumed I would bring more attention here)

Exhaust systems. A friend of mine told me I would have to order a custom system (excluding the exhaust tip) due to the 2JZ being made for the layout of the Supra and now it's sitting in a 240. Is this true? Or could I simply just buy a system for either the S13 or the Supra?

I've read a few articles online and talked to a few people in person that said that the 2JZ can fit in the bay with little to no fabrication. Elaborate, please, if anyone can.

[DriftReadyS13]

custom exhaust. its not a nissan motor. a catback maybe but u will have to get a custom downpipe to reach to where the catback is

[triplesixrivals240]

So it would just be easier to order an entire custom system? How would I go about doing that?
Modified by triplesixrivals240 at 11:14 PM 8/25/2007

[RichZilla]

You cannot 'order' a custom system. You should be able to buy an aftermarket dump pipe for the 2JZ. Fit that when you fit the engine. Then get it running and take it (either tow or drive) to an exhaust shop for them to finish it.

Trust me, the exhaust is the least of your problems.

[triplesixrivals240]

You cannot 'order' a custom system. You should be able to buy an aftermarket dump pipe for the 2JZ. Fit that when you fit the engine. Then get it running and take it (either tow or drive) to an exhaust shop for them to finish it.

Trust me, the exhaust is the least of your problems.

Honestly, after research, that's all I am worried about.

So just purchase an aftermarket straight pipe or down pipe? I'm not understanding you entirely.

[kazuma]

Honestly, after research, that's all I am worried about.

So just purchase an aftermarket straight pipe or down pipe? I'm not understanding you entirely.

Do this. put the 2jz in the car put the turbo on the car and get the downpipe flange for the turbo, take the car to a exhaust shop and give them the flange and ask them to make you a exhaust system from the turbo back. It will cost you cash but its the easiest way.

Here in canada Iam lucky I have a friend who does stuff like this and it would take him less than a day to set something like this up.

[Joe]

Honestly, after research, that's all I am worried about.

So just purchase an aftermarket straight pipe or down pipe? I'm not understanding you entirely.

your worried about the exhaust?

**** man thats childs play compared to what you have to do to make that motor fit, work and drive well.

[triplesixrivals240]

your worried about the exhaust?

**** man thats childs play compared to what you have to do to make that motor fit, work and drive well.

tech 2 motor mounts? r154 transmission?

What is there to be worried about other than wiring.

Every problem has a solution. It's just the matter of willpower to keep with it until you find the answer.

[Joe]

what about the thousand other little things?

driveshaft, intercooler piping, radiator hoses, throttle cable, power steering lines/fittings, will the clutch master work, brake booster line, etc.

doing swaps like this is WAY more in depth than a SR swap. its important to know what you are getting into so you arent selling a half finished project in 6 months.

i was nickeled and dimed to death doing a ls1 swap. there were so many trips to lowes, or ace, or autozone i lost track.

[triplesixrivals240]

what about the thousand other little things?

driveshaft, intercooler piping, radiator hoses, throttle cable, power steering lines/fittings, will the clutch master work, brake booster line, etc.

doing swaps like this is WAY more in depth than a SR swap. its important to know what you are getting into so you arent selling a half finished project in 6 months.

i was nickeled and dimed to death doing a ls1 swap. there were so many trips to lowes, or ace, or autozone i lost track.

I've researched more than you know -- although I still have much to learn, I know what I am getting myself into, believe me.

[Joe]

not to be a complete d!ck dude but if you are asking if a supra exhaust will work on a 240 you probably dont understand the magnitude of this swap.

best of luck on your project.

[triplesixrivals240]

not to be a complete d!ck dude but if you are asking if a supra exhaust will work on a 240 you probably dont understand the magnitude of this swap.

best of luck on your project.

Not to be a d!ck? I think you've already accomplished that, man.

Like I said, I still have a few technical questions and the exhaust was one of them. It's not like NICO is the only source I'm using for my research. Did I say it would work? No, like you said, I was asking, but I also supported a thought for why a Supra exhaust wouldn't work, but I needed advice from those that have hands-on experience with hybrid swaps to explain what was needed with the exhaust.

I'll never settle for one point of advice or solution, I must have multiple. That why I was checking here for a better explanation. And like I said, I'm still learning, every day.

I think before I purchase. That's why I'm preparing now, for the worst, so I know what to do -- or at least a general idea.

[AnclyT]

you're going to need

2jz-240sx motor mounts/transmission mount2jz wire harness re-wiredcustom exhaustcustom driveshaftcustom shiftercustom clutch/brake/a.c linescustom intercooler pipingcustom downpipeka24 radiator

and a lot of other **** depending on what your setup is going to be..

im going to be using the 1jz bellhousing/r154 5spd transmission on my 2jz

[sancosys]

Why wont it work? Two different manufactures. Two different platforms. Two different mounting points for exhaust. Two different engines. Two different lengths. Not enough hugs.

Aaron

[tavarish]

Why wont it work? Two different manufactures. Two different platforms. Two different mounting points for exhaust. Two different engines. Two different lengths. Not enough hugs.

Aaron

I hope you're not serious.

This swap HAS been done many times before.

What he needs to do is to center the engine on the crossmember outside of the car, to fab up the mounts. and get a regular 240sx catback, and just fab a midpipe for the exhaust.

[sancosys]

I hope you're not serious.

This swap HAS been done many times before.

What he needs to do is to center the engine on the crossmember outside of the car, to fab up the mounts. and get a regular 240sx catback, and just fab a midpipe for the exhaust.

I meant the exhaust tool, GTFO. I like that you just said the stock exhaust will fit if you fab everything, Congrats.

Aaron

[Basic1]

Exhaust work is any easy task. An aftermarket 240sx catback can be used, and then you'd just fabricate a down pipe and midpipe to meet the exhaust. If you notice on Mark IV Supras, they have an exhaust that exits to the left of the vehicle as well. Heck, if someone could lend you a saw you could have your pieces ready for someone to weld. Measure three times, cut once.

[WDRacing]

The reason people are slightly apprehensive is obvious. You can't say you did "research" and then ask if you can order a custom exhaust. That's simply NOT how things work...period.

Almost all of your work will be custom, that means either you're fabricating the parts, or a shop is.

Anyone with half a clue would understand that the exhaust for the 240 would be the one you use, since the exhaust is just something that sits under the damn car behind the cat.

It's the downpipe that goes from the turbo to the Cat that you'll need custom fabbed. I also noticed you didn't know what a downpipe was. Keep reading, you're not ready for this yet.

WD

[Fla240sx]

Not to be a d!ck? I think you've already accomplished that, man.

I think you were a d!ck to him a few posts back..... listen your telling someone who did a more complicated swap then you are even dreaming of that he knows nothing and you know more then him when you can't even figure out exhaust.....

LS1 swap with two exhaust exits>any Inline motor swap as far as exhaust complexity........and he completed it himself... not just saying he's going to do it...

he probably has 100x the experience you do with knowing about custom **** for 240sx.......

you'd know a lot more if you listened

also I agree if you don't know what a downpipe is and have doubts about exhaust... you have a lot to learn. So whats your exact plan for wiring?

[SicSX]

http://www.2jzswap.com has all the info u will need in there forum. on the 1j swap we did on a friends s14 we had alot of fun bilding an exhaust from one side of the car to the other. ended up useing a 90 bend off the down pipe over and then fabed up a pipe to work with any "cat back" system. worked good. had a stock exhaust on it for a while. lol. ill see if i can find some pics 4 ya. ur def gona have to weld something up or see if u can have someone make it 4 u.

[adam-gtX]

http://www.2jzswap.com has all the info u will need in there forum. on the 1j swap we did on a friends s14 we had alot of fun bilding an exhaust from one side of the car to the other. ended up useing a 90 bend off the down pipe over and then fabed up a pipe to work with any "cat back" system. worked good. had a stock exhaust on it for a while. lol. ill see if i can find some pics 4 ya. ur def gona have to weld something up or see if u can have someone make it 4 u.

you beat me 2 it 2jzswap.com has anwsers to everything u need, tech 2 offers a kit that includes a new crossmember, driveshaft and some other stuff you will need for the swap . The exhuast wont be to hard once you get the downpipe taken care of.

[Coolwhip]

All I have to say is, Kamin = knowledge on hybrid swaps.

Not only from research but from hands on everday thrashing on the car on the track kind of research.

He's replaced, upgraded, and broken parts you wished you had.

Since this thread failed from the beginning... Go order a custom exhaust.

[Chronox2]

Man u got alot to do... but right now im buying my 240sx.... and im gonna have to swap the transmission for it to a manual so i got X2 the problem... hope everything works for u... but do all u need to do to get this swap done... after i finish with all i have to do with the 240...im planing on swaping a 2jz in it 2... i have some friend in NJ that have done swaps for 240sx like rb20-26.... Sr20's Ls1 for the FC so i guess u just need time, friends who know what they R doing, some days off your job, alot of money, and pizza, soda.... cuz the determination is there dude

[sleepyS14]

yeah if you're keeping the stock twins..that custom downpipe is going to cost you a pretty penny. reallie i think its the DP thats the most concern exhaust wise. everything after is just space between the engine and the back of the car. do what you want with it . anywho good luck with the swap. it'd be nice to have another 2jz 240 on the roads

[SouthSideSlider]

im not sure about this but thwe hardest part of my Cosmo twin turbo 13B-RE swap into my FC isn't exhast,mounting,tranni, or drivetrain. its simpley working out the little odds and end you didn't think of to get the thing running

[sleepyS14]

http://www.2jzswap.com has all the info u will need in there forum. on the 1j swap we did on a friends s14 we had alot of fun bilding an exhaust from one side of the car to the other. ended up useing a 90 bend off the down pipe over and then fabed up a pipe to work with any "cat back" system. worked good. had a stock exhaust on it for a while. lol. ill see if i can find some pics 4 ya. ur def gona have to weld something up or see if u can have someone make it 4 u.

2jzswap.com does have a good amount of info. but not as much as you'd think. this swap is pretty heavy. getting the engine and transmission in the car is one thing.. the tech 2 swap kit does a pretty good job squeezing that monster in there. wiring is a whole new ball game. dr. tweak at http://www.PhoenixTuning.com offers wiring services for this swap... something upwards of around $500 with a 2-3week turnaround time. his wiring is immaculate in my opinion. he took care of my wiring and i must say.. it is a work of art. he definitely understands toyotas. in fact, if im not mistaken.. when you send your wiring harness to tech2...they send it to him. so might as well cut the middle man right? in any case...i can personallly vouch that this swap is for no novice. parts are definitely something that you cant cut corners on. you need quality stuff for this swap. by quality.. i mean no no-name brands. you need a KOYO radiator or better to keep this thing running WARM.. not even cool.. it's a lot of engine to keep cool. believe me..it's like a sauna in there.. if you are really willing to invest in this swap.. be prepared to spend $10k at least. whatever you think your max budget is on this swap.. it's definitely more than that. the basic concept is.. its a toyota going into a nissan. if that's not bad enough.. the engine has 2 more cylinders.. 0.6L more displacement and two more turbos. the exhaust is definitely the least of your worries. it's intense..and once it's in there.. making it run RIGHT is another chapter. also what tech2 doesnt tell you.. is that NONE OF THEIR GAUGES WORK. their adapter box for speedo and tach.. not accurate. in fact the speedo doesn't read correct until after about 40mph. tach works with tweaking . (DR. TWEAK'ing pun intended) . fuel gauge.. temp... better look into external for both. temperature is a huge deal too. i cannot stress enough how hot this thing runs and how much cooling is involved. ill give you an example.. im running 3 cooling fans. 2 12"s pulling in the back.. one 14" pusher in the front.. with 70 / 30 coolant / water mix. with water wetter . still running hot. need to leave the engine on for 2-5 min (turbo timer) after a normal run (ex. 10-15min drive.. not even highway) or the heat soak will make the coolant boil over out of the coolant reservoir tank.. if im lucky..it'll just boil in the tank and not come out. thank god it's winter. 40degree weather.. and i can warm up the engine in no more than 2 minutes. anyway yeah.. that's my DD. it's a love/hate relationship. . haha damn this is long. good luck again.

anyway... this is all from experience. good luck on it. just tryin to give you a heads up on the path you're choosing to go with