240SX with smallblock question

[96240SX41]

Could this work. I know you would need a stronger transmission, but think, the world of domestic joining with import to make the fastest car in the world lol. Naw, but seriously, these bays (at least in my 96) look as if you could fit a small block v8 in there? Could it? Would you?

[Bruno240]

ths has been talked about and most everyone would agree a V8 doesnt belong in a 240sx. It will work with enough money but it needs a lot of custom fabing.

there was one on ebay awhile back and it was talked about and everyone agreed it wouldnt be a good idea.

but its your car. go for it. its gonna be a lot of money

[k6kicker]

yeah for the price you would be sinking into to getting it to work, you could have an awd setup and a rb26dett and a new leather sofa at home

[Arrow]

Talk to Aries, he has done V8 swaps into 240's many times. He has a LT1 engine in his and has swapped a LS1 I believe, along with others.

[1991S13]

I think I saw a small block Chevy in a z32 once in a magazine...

But I dont really think domestic engines belong in foreign cars anyway. If you want a domestic import, buy a Cavalier.

[AZhitman]

I like the idea.

I think a high-revving 327 in an S13 coupe would be bad as hell.

Guys, we own 240sx's.

They're not Vettes, they're not Porsches, they're not Z-cars, they're not special.

Elitism is for the elitists, and THEY are annoying.

[420_240sx]

I think it would be fun for a project car. Think about it, V8 power in a sub 3000 lb RWD sportscar? The only thing I am thinkin is that it would be TOO much power for the chassis. I am sure wiring would be a PITA too

[Nismo_Freak]

UNDERSTEER

[Kr0n1k]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Nissan Titan 5.6l (roughly a 350) V8 into the 240. Keep it in the family at least. Custom cams, ECU tune, and I believe a supercharger is coming out for it... that would be a bad @ss setup.

[Ubernoober]

Except for AZ, 420_240sx and Arrow, you are all uninformed snobs.You complain about domestics hating on imports and yet you sit here spouting the same poop.Yes, a pushrod domestic will fit nicely in the engine bay of the 240SX. The weight will be comperable to the factory KA24E or KA24DE boat-anchor. The conversion does not have to be expensive, but will most definitely be time consuming. As for too much power, talk to all the SR and KA-T owners.

[Tsukai240]

I think it would be fun for a project car. Think about it, V8 power in a sub 3000 lb RWD sportscar? The only thing I am thinkin is that it would be TOO much power for the chassis. I am sure wiring would be a PITA too

if its carbed; what would you need to realy wire othat than th ignition?(oh god i'm gona get flamed arn't i)

[w1ngzer0]

UNDERSTEER

hahahaha someone knows the 13 very well

[Arrow]

there are many opinions and many different views about this topic. I am only going to say that you need to choose what is best for you. Look into all aspects of that choice, and RESEARCH. Anything is possible, many things that you might think of have most likely been done already (other than an AWD 240... though it's been done and I know someone started it and w/o finnishing it was selling it on ebay....) so just search and learn.

and most of all do what you want to b/c it is your car and you'll be the one that is driving it and make it suit your needs and desires.

I'm not wanting to be offensive or flame anyone here. We all love our 240's and have our own dreams for them.

Good luck on all of your endeavors everyone!

[Nismo_Freak]

Except for AZ, 420_240sx and Arrow, you are all uninformed snobs.

I'm sorry I must have failed to notice who in this entire thread has ever experienced a small-block powered S13/14. Oh that would be me...

Who's the "uninformed snob" now pal?

[accel junky]

I like the idea of the LS1 or Lt1. one of my friends wants to do this.

[drifter_for_life06]

isnt there a member here with a small-block in their 240? liek 240ss or something?

[AZhitman]

Yep. Aries.

Where the hell is that boy, anyway?

[drifter_for_life06]

thats what ive been wondering, i havent seen him round here lately

[w1ngzer0]

i say ask questions later and just do it. Most people ask "will this fit into this car" never actually do it.

[drifter_for_life06]

thats true

but i would want to make sure it fit before wasting months on nothing.....catch my drift?

[Juujai]

im with nismo_freak people dont seem to listen even when advice is given. its like even after he posts idiots still go i wanna do it and ... even rb25dets suck in 240s. ive driven one with about 350ps. nothing makes me smile more than an sr.

v8s would fit in a lot of cars. even miatas have a bunch of v8s.

[drifter_for_life06]

i can see where you are coming from

i think a 240's balance is thrown off too easliy by bigger motors

[Chingon]

im with nismo_freak people dont seem to listen even when advice is given. its like even after he posts idiots still go i wanna do it and ... even rb25dets suck in 240s. ive driven one with about 350ps. nothing makes me smile more than an sr.

v8s would fit in a lot of cars. even miatas have a bunch of v8s.

I'm sorry, but nismo freak's one-time experience is not the end-all discussion

KA24DE weights at around 500 lb w/accesories and transmission. The transmission weigh being around 75 pounds.

Ford 302 Fuel injected, Al heads, manifold, water pump, and all accesories 424 lbs. Now a t5 weights 75lb w/o the bellhousing, so 100lb would be a small overstimate, but who cares since that's in the middle. Now you have an engine/transmission that weights as much as the stock setup.

Sure the stock s13 understeers, so perhaps that's what nismo freak was referring to. However, you now have twice the power output than the stock Ka, so give it a little throttle and the newly found torque should correct the problem.

[PantherRacer]

I'd personally like to go for a ride in a V6 or V8 powered 240. It's not like "oh that's an american engine type, you'll burn in hell" Japanese cars have V's also yinno so if u wanna stick to JDM get a japan V. search, you'll find one. (We all know that a car is made in like 12 diff countries right? then put together in another?)

Heh, would it be possible to put in a V12? LOL

[Chingon]

I'm quite aware that japanese have v engines. Unfortunately, whatever doesn't come in fwd configuration, is at least 3x more expensive than an american block. The 302 can be had for as little as 500 bux if you feel so inclined. The next one I can think of w/similar displacement is the vh45/41, but sourcing a 5 spd transmission can be an issue.

Oh, yeah, try finding aftermarket for luxury/japanese v8's vs American v8's.

[Nismo_Freak]

I'm sorry, but nismo freak's one-time experience is not the end-all discussion

The last time I checked, 1 is greater than 0.

KA24DE weights at around 500 lb w/accesories and transmission. The transmission weigh being around 75 pounds.

The KA24DE engine weighs in around 330lbs. complete with accessories. As weighed by Don @ PDM-Racing. The gearbox weighs about 75 lbs. w/ clutch assembly.

Ford 302 Fuel injected, Al heads, manifold, water pump, and all accesories 424 lbs. Now a t5 weights 75lb w/o the bellhousing, so 100lb would be a small overstimate, but who cares since that's in the middle. Now you have an engine/transmission that weights as much as the stock setup.

424 + 85 = 509 lbs.

509 lbs. - 405 lbs. = 104 lbs.

Hardly equal, nevermind the additional 70 lbs. of crap you need to install to keep the V8 alive and running.

Sure the stock s13 understeers, so perhaps that's what nismo freak was referring to. However, you now have twice the power output than the stock Ka, so give it a little throttle and the newly found torque should correct the problem.

No I was refering to having an additional 100 lbs. of frontal weight on the car.

Sorry, but smashing the throttle in a nose heavy car will only produce snap oversteer if you can spin the rears, or alot more understeer if you can't. In either situation you still have a car that is slow around the corners.

[Nismo_Freak]

im with nismo_freak people dont seem to listen even when advice is given. its like even after he posts idiots still go i wanna do it and ... even rb25dets suck in 240s. ive driven one with about 350ps. nothing makes me smile more than an sr.

v8s would fit in a lot of cars. even miatas have a bunch of v8s.

My posts tend to be biased towards my own logic. I'm not trying to tell people what to do, I am meerly introducing an arguement that they might not have addressed or underestimated in their mind.

Often times simple truth keeps people grounded and aware of their choices and/or their consequences.

[hannibal]

Anyone who's serious about using a V8 isnt trying to turn. Theyre usually drag cars...

[Chingon]

The KA24DE engine weighs in around 330lbs. complete with accessories. As weighed by Don @ PDM-Racing. The gearbox weighs about 75 lbs. w/ clutch assembly.

424 + 85 = 509 lbs.

509 lbs. - 405 lbs. = 104 lbs.

Hardly equal, nevermind the additional 70 lbs. of crap you need to install to keep the V8 alive and running.

Ka fully dressed w/steering rack and front member attached, but no AC540 lb (SCC). Yes, the member and rack are hefty, but so is that compressor

Weighed a KA24DE last night.Engine, pan on, no alternator, water pump in, rad hose on, no fuel rail, no valve cover, no exhaust manifold, no distributor, + 15 lb engine stand neck

309 lbs.

So basically the motor ring in around 300 lbs with no flywheel and clutch, and no alternator, pulleys, or pumps, or exhaust system or transmission.(Don Nimi)

Engine/Trans. Weight: 540lb (KA24E: 492lb) *before turbo install (http://klohiq.tripod.com/cars/240sx/swap_info.html)

KA24E 493 lbs. Engine w/transmission as removed In "SCC's A Hybrid How to:" may '02.interesting enough: With the transmission, turbo and alternator, the SR20DET weighs 490 lbs490

[Nismo_Freak]

Weighed a KA24DE last night.Engine, pan on, no alternator, water pump in, rad hose on, no fuel rail, no valve cover, no exhaust manifold, no distributor, + 15 lb engine stand neck

309 lbs.

So basically the motor ring in around 300 lbs with no flywheel and clutch, and no alternator, pulleys, or pumps, or exhaust system or transmission.(Don Nimi)

And I repeat.

Pulleys - 5Flywheel / Clutch - 35Alternator - 5Trans - 50Valve Cover - 2Exhaust Manifold - 10Engine Stand Neck - -15

92 lbs. + 309 lbs. = 401 lbs.

I trust Don Nimi more than Sport Compact Car.

If you want to get technical we can add up every little aspect of the V8 swap and you will get more than about 70 lbs. worth of additional weight you are not entering into your ideology.

I wouldn't trust that link you posted, the website claims stock RB20DET redline of 8000 RPM. A few of the other numbers don't add up either.

Sorry you aren't gonna make me believe that a physically larger V8 engine with an iron block, 2 heads, 2 steel exhaust manifolds, and supporting ancilleries is going to weigh the same.

The T5 gearbox on the Mustang is just about the same gearbox used in the 240SX. The Z31's g'boxes were derived from and/or used the T5 and those are interchangable with the 240 boxes. It also would explain why they get destroyed with any kind of power.