240sx the Next civic??!?!?!?

[Yellow4g63]

check this out http://www.sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=90751

Anyone else think this is so?

[PantherRacer]

It's not the next civic now....(THINK OF THE INSANITY IF IT WAS!)they don't make em anymore. It's like the rest of the supercars people lust after. Supras, Skylines, Evo's WRX's, RX-7's. Only most people are just finding out about them and they have an american version,so it is a little easier to get a hold of one.

They just want to get a 240 to chop it throw in a new engine, say they can drift an fly off a cliff...

So let's get the kids who knew and loved the 240sx/Silvia from scince they were 11 one and save them from a horrible fate!

EDIT: And that's why I'm looking into getting a Nissan Bluebird SSS ATTESA to be different and to show that you don't need a skyline/ Evo/ Silvia to be faster than everyone else. (and also to show them it can look better after a little tinkering)

[SeVa-S13]

To an extent, I've totally seen it this way for a while. How else can we explain the absolutely BOOMING popularity and fanfare they've been getting, not to mention the membership here at NICO exploding. I'd be willing to bet a huge portion of our membership is made up of guys who've owned 240's for less than 2 years.

Every other "tuner" you meet either has or wnats a "project 240sx" to turn into a "sweet silvia/180sx/*insert horribly butchered name for a 240 with a skyline engine in it here*

I loved my cars before the big bandwagon and after it dies out, which will hopefully be soon when SR20 prices jump and 240's become even more scarce. Just because the 240 may kinda be the new civic and the SR on the same level as the B16 doesn't take anything away from the car, it's just hard to get the respect and sense of uniqueness we got say 4 years ago.

[zombieman]

compare it to be the next civic is ridiculous. it's more of a comparison of how everybody tries to act and dress like the "king of pop" himself. sooner or later, these bandwagon jumpers will get tired and switch to the next "hot stuff"... could be a tweaked out chevy malibu.

but one thing for sure, bandwagon jumper can be spotted pretty easily. lack of knowledge of the 240sx is a given, but i'm looking more into the fact that if a hardcore nissan talk crap about a honda(because most came from there), then these new 240sx owner will jump to defend the car that they supposingly left to become part of the new trend. just an opinion, so no need to get wacko if you disagree with me.

[Spec-R]

Yea i ve seen this too. every person i meet, "dude you got a SR?' i want one blah blah. you can even tell the popularity of our cars by ebay. when i used to put 240sx in the search box at ebay it would come up with a total of 7 pages. now its 60. ohh well, good luck finding a s14 kouki ALL YOU SUCKERS

[SeVa-S13]

compare it to be the next civic is ridiculous. it's more of a comparison of how everybody tries to act and dress like the "king of pop" himself. sooner or later, these bandwagon jumpers will get tired and switch to the next "hot stuff"... could be a tweaked out chevy malibu.

The Honda craze has been going strong for quite some time now, I don't see why the 240 craze won't do so aswell.

[lilvtboigotrice]

Yea i ve seen this too. every person i meet, "dude you got a SR?' i want one blah blah. you can even tell the popularity of our cars by ebay. when i used to put 240sx in the search box at ebay it would come up with a total of 7 pages. now its 60. ohh well, good luck finding a s14 kouki ALL YOU SUCKERS

going to have to agree with you there, same thing happened to me. I drive down the highway and some guy randomly asked you have an SR20?! kinda goes to show so many people are jumping into the bandwagon. just wished back when I first got this car barely anyone else knew about it

[Yellow4g63]

I think what alot of people forget about is the price drop in the cars. When the priced droped and you could pick up a S13 for $600 (thats what I did a year ago) and have a cheap RWD car with lots of aftermarket. The Honda fad if you want to call it that will never die. The new craze is the K20a swap into older Civics and Crx's. The way I see it is don't worry what the other guy is driving worry about your car.

[SeVa-S13]

Do Type-S K20 heads bolt up to K24 blocks? That's what needs to happen in a late 90's Civic Si.

[w1ngzer0]

I have never owned a honda but yes. The type s head bolts up to the Si block. Talking K series here. Someone did and i don't quite remember what he posted on it.

I only know that becuase i use to be a member of super honda. I was gaining knowledge from that website due to me likeing small motors.

Though, i never owned a honda i always owned a toyota like the rest of my family. Though due to these serious issues with my car.. not sure if i will keep the 240. I feel dirty not owning a toyota....

[zombieman]

The Honda craze has been going strong for quite some time now, I don't see why the 240 craze won't do so aswell.

new 240sx owner or soon to be owners are only getting 240sx for drifting. now let's say that more than half of the s13 population decrease dramatically due to idiots trying to drift without knowing what they're doing and total a perfectly good s13. the limited s13 left will eventually cause shortage of s13. the s14 is already limited as it is. of course a body shop can fixed the damage, but more than likely the bandwagon jumper would not fix it.

of course we all know america is probably the only nation that overcrazed with honda, so honda will be in production as long as some kid wants one when he grows up

[base9se]

I think most of them are going for the S13 IMO. Cheaper SR motor swap compared to S14 motorset. I have both(S13 is FS), so I'm not really worried. I love my Zenki!

[SeVa-S13]

No, not the Si K20, I said K24--the engine in the TSX's that have 200hp and tq. I was thinking that the better flowing and more performance oriented Type-S K20 head would benefit the K24 block to to a nice possible 230hp and 210tq. Add a little Nitrous and some good tuning and weeeee

[br2819]

i think alot of people are picking up on the 240. i got mine a few years ago after a friend had one with the veilside kit on it and i drooled over it and had to get one. now that i have one i love even though it needs alot of work. i've tried to sell it before but no one really wanted it and now i can't imagine selling it.

[hsk4ever]

one thing is for sure everyone isn't getting one becuase where could they come from? secondly i see some 240's that do get riced. sad as it is they are now a counter part to a civic in some instances but to me i will like the car far better becuase of the rwd setup and that its economic and drives like a sports car no matter how riced the other 240's become they will still be better than a fwd civic that was built to get 35mpg and not blow up after 200k miles...

[SeVa-S13]

I get absolute crap for city mileage but my beater 240 is gunna make it well past 200k.

[base9se]

I get absolute crap for city mileage but my beater 240 is gunna make it well past 200k.

I wouldn't say crappy mileage. Maybe you just need a tune up or fuel injectors cleaned. I would say 240s get better than average gas mileage. And as for past 200k, mine is at 160k. Still pullin' hard, gotta luv that truck engine!

[hudy]

I don't think it can be the next "Civic". There weren't enough 240s made in total for it to be the next Civic. You could probably add together all of the years the 240 was produced and sold in the U.S.A. and it might equal 3 years of Civics. I don't see too many 240s on the street, but I see tons of Civics.

But who cares anyway, isn't it about what you want to have? I have had a 240 since '97. Way before any bandwagon crap. I just like the way the car looks and drives.

If there is a bandwagon, it is our job to steer the bandwagon people in the right direction. And to not let the bandwagon people be taken in by the dark side!

[Cyberkreig]

The real problem lies in production numbers. There are less S13's in this country then there are 1994 civics.

And what if it keeps booming? Tons of swaps, expensive parts. The bottom falls out, inexperienced tuners destroy motors and there is suddenly a flood of inexpensive parts and cars.

Oh. Darn.

[Altiman94]

Even with all the popularity no one wants to buy mine.

[Pilgrim]

I think the entire Band waggon thing is just a way for the old guys to feel special but in all reallity isn't as bad as it seems.

While the knowledge about the Sylvia line is becoming far more prevelant the people actually doing something with that is slim. Let's be honest here, the average 18 year old can got get a Civic and get some pretty decent performance (for a civic) out of it for 1-2 grand and then another 1000 or so for ludicrous looking body work.

With the Donor cars in the 2-3k range that makes it a car to tool around in and be a "Tuner"

compare that to the time, expense and expertise that a Sylvia conversion takes then you begin to see the point.

It annoys me that all the Initial D Kiddies are getting in, but they are more looking for Celicas so they can call them 86's and think they're bad ***.

As for me.

Well I owned a 240 in 95 a spiffy 91 that managed to die out on me After that I thought nothing more of it untill I spent 3 weeks in Okinawa training Marines. We went out ever night Drifting and drag racing. Great fun. Reminded me why I love RWD sports coupes. After that I decided to rekindle the Nissan spirit within and build a new 240.

Still building up the funds but once done I'll have a car that is fun to drive. That's all that really matters.

and remember boys and girls. As long as we don't drive Supras we have no room to complain about band wagon jumping

[KDashy]

I somehow feel offended by the fact that the other forum practically compares 240 owners to a group of bickering kids.

[Ren]

I love my zenki too...

[Doomed2Walk]

There is a definate bandwagon effect with everyone always asking "you got a SR? no? you planning on it?" I guess I'm kind of a bandwagoner myself to be quite honest. When I was 16 I was in debate over whether I wanted a 240sx and do a SR swap or WRX, and my dad offered to buy me a black 92 SE hatch, but the reason I turned it down was because it was an auto. Also, being young, I didn't understand the value of a dollar and desperately wanted a WRX which was on its way to America and thought the $24,000 price tag was nothing. Silly me, then after graduation I got my 95. Too bad only hindsight is 20/20, if I had to do it over again, I'd take the S13 in a heartbeat because I'd have a 3 year headstart on my car.

Oh, but think about why the bandwagon started. Relatively cheap car, relatively cheap to modify and with great potential. The reason civics were so immensely popular is because they were probably handed down from their parents, with lots of aftermarket support available.

[TachyonS14]

Ehh, whatever. All I know is I bought my 240 almost 2 years ago and I'm not a fan of drifting. I bought my car because rear wheel drive, light, decent speed, good handling, looks awsome, and pretty rare.

[BomexS13]

I dont really care either way

[Cyberkreig]

Silvia.

[InsanityInc]

I have a 240SX as my daily driver because gas gets kind of expensive driving a heavily modified 300ZXTT daily. I can't stand driving FF cars, or slow cars, so it all worked out. I have no desire to add a turbo, swap an engine or drift.

[Nameless EJ6]

I personally don't give a flying ****.

I have been with honda for years, and now I have a 240. I've owned a 99 civic hatchback w/an ITR swap, 1990 Civic wagon, and a 1998 Integra. My x g/f has a 2000 Turbo Si I built, and alot of my friends have 12-13 second Hondas I've helped them build... I switched to a 240SX because I want something new and fun to work with. Something I can make HUGE power on instead of low displacement FWD.

I really don't care what people think, because they can't do anything about it. I will buy the car I choose, and I will modify it the way I choose to. I still love Honda, and I'm considering buying another Civic Wagon in a year or two and building it for a daily driver / drag car while my 240 stays in a garage.

If this hurts peoples feelings that I came from a Honda civic/Integra background, then they can eat my shorts.

And no, I don't think the 240 will ever be considered anything like a Civic. There aren't enough of them to go around.

[Doomed2Walk]

Nothing is wrong with the civic itself, it's just what some people have done with them. My friend is currently working on his EF and he's got a B16 waiting to go in (after he removes all excess weight) and wants to turbo that. I actually prefer the EG b/c it's better looking than the EF but not as heavy as the EK. I want to find an EG later down the line so I can build an all motor car with the B18C for auto-crossing. Unless I can find a cheap WRX or EVO in 5 years.