240SX or MK3 Supra Turbo

[adrianfromthecastle]

i personally would go for a 240, just cuz there is soo much aftermarket support, but mk3s arent that bad. my buddy has an mk3 and just bought 2 1jz's for 2,000 ( i dont know what hes doin with the other one, but that sure is cheaper than an sr!). I also heard that jz's, just like rb(26) have like high horsepower potential with stock internals or something like that. good luck on decision!

[patrick10]

what about a starion/conquest? rwd, turbo and cheap as hell. plus no one knows about them so they could be a good sleeper.

[dickie]

the se-r would be a really fun budget car. some magazine did a project build up on one of those older se-r's and aside from some suspension parts that they had to track down, they built up a really cool autox car for not a lot of money.

the dsm's can be fun cars, but have you ever driven one? the only dsm i would really buy would be a 97-99 gsx, the rest are kind of... different. :P drive before you buy, always.

on the 240 youre looking at, as long as there is no major damage it should be okay, however i would have a shop check it out before i put any money into the seller's hand. that rod knock could be indicative of deeper issues.

[grimple1]

Wow, so much misinformation about the supra in this thread!

The headgasket is not that big of an issue, the stock one tends to blow after 100k miles if its not modified. However, you do not need a metal headgasket. They are better of course, but not must have part. A new headgasket from toyota with some ARP bolts with hold plenty of horsepower.

Not true. They blow all the time over 7-75k miles. Improper torque specs from Toyota are to thank. The MK3 BHG is something that has to be corrected before it's a reliable hp car. Of course you don't need a metal headgasket. But if you're going to fix it, why not have it deck/planed and a metal HG? Better to do it correctly the first time than to redo the work and redo the $$.

Also, you'll want to make sure that you get the MKIII with the turbo. From my pal projectsupramk3 over at automotiveforums.com

"Anyone who tells you this swap is a waste should be beaten, it was a waste to make a n/a Supra. The swap is very simple, everything is bolt-in, think about it, same car, same engine, must be bolt-in. Differances between the 7m-gte and 7m-ge are that the GTE has oil squirters, a turbo oil return in the block, intake cam is different (pre 87-88), low comp pistons, ECU, wiring harness, PS reserviour, intake manifold, extra knock sensor, coil pack, CPS, and of coarse the turbo, exhaust, and IC with piping. Also the manual trans is different turbo/na, turbo is the R-154 which is very beefy, n/a has the W-58, driveshaft is different between the auto, n/a manual, and turbo manual. Rear differential is different between the years and models regardless of manual/auto trans, all n/a's got a 4.3 (sport packages got a 4.3 LSD), 87-88 turbo's got a 3.909 LSD, 89-92 turbo's got a 3.73 LSD."

He's endless in his knowledge of the MK3.

[sr20detmaybe]

Your Nissan/Infiniti choices are pretty blah. The 240sx is the least sleeper of the group, IMHO.

1990+ Eagle Talon TSI AWD (4G63)1990+ Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX (4G63)1990+ Plymouth Laser RS Turbo AWD (4G63)

Since the last three are the exact same car under different brands, I'll say this for all of them: good luck getting one at a decent price and pray for your transmission.

In ANY case... don't sell yourself short of your goals. You say you want a sleeper... why the hell are you looking at the Supra? Or nowadays, the 240sx? Come on. If what you want is a high-powered RWD highway king, just wait out the Supra. Don't waste your money anything else.

I got a 90 awd talon and idk about the plymouth or the mitsu but chyrsler has a recall on the transmissions in the awd talon up to like 97 so u dont hafta worry bout the transmissions and they are quick in stock form and i love the AWD. thats just my opinion.

[Nameless EJ6]

I got a 90 awd talon and idk about the plymouth or the mitsu but chyrsler has a recall on the transmissions in the awd talon up to like 97 so u dont hafta worry bout the transmissions and they are quick in stock form and i love the AWD. thats just my opinion.

haha... you only have to worry about the transmission in those if you drive them. There's no way around it, they'll take a crap eventually.

GM synchromesh works pretty good with those. and there are shops that you can send your AWD transmission to that'll upgrade the internal bits for 2000$+ making them virtually indestructable..

[HashiriyaS14]

If you're going to buy a GSX, get an older 6-bolt one (i.e. first-gen).

Fewer problems than the later 7-bolt cars.

DSM's in general are sorta just 1 step above RX-7's on the "Pain in the arse" ladder, but their cheap fun factor more than makes up for it. They're popular for a reason.

I still second the Starion though, if you're going to build a DSM, build the best one:)

[dfw240_EE]

FD RX-7's are a pain, I understand that the FC's and older are rather reliable.

[karmakaze]

if your going to get a 240 do it now though before that retarded movie comes out. because then prices are going to go through the roof. but, then again, after the movie comes out, if you drive a 240, people will just think your some tard who got one because it was in a ****ty movie.

[dickie]

well, **** i bought mine because of f&f3, i thought thats why everyone bought theirs...

[skylinekin]

Havent checked this post in a while thought it would have been dead by now but anyways, I found a 1989 Chrysler Conquest TSI, its black, has 110,000 mi, has some rust but its pretty sweet. He wants $800 for it since he needs to get rid of it before winter and it is near my house so I might get it.

[dickie]

for $800 i say go for it... unless the rust is on the frame. check it out thoroughly.

[skylinekin]

see thats the thing, I hate rust, how do you post pics I will show you guys the pics, I did look at it in person and it was all the way through, the interior is stripped but he does have all the pieces and the exhaust manifold/turbo needs to be reinstalled.

[skylinekin]

wow I cant figure out how to post pics, here is my online album thing someone else do it for me please. http://community.webshots.com/...JOiey

[dickie]

these look like the ones that matter. you might resize them and crop them to show the affected areas better.

[sensibleS13driver]

jeebus thats a lot of rust, but 110k miles ain't bad. I say offer him 700 and drive it until it rusts itself to death

[dickie]

looks like mostly body rust, but you need to check the frame. body rust can be an issue of personal preference. on the one hand, its not going to get any better. quite the opposite, in fact. on the other hand, its an $800 car...

its your money. the car is unique for sure, might be fun, i dont know how much aftermarket support youll find if youre into that. you can get the rusted parts cut off or sandblasted and fixed by a body shop, it will cost probably as much as the car itself. definitely shoot him a low offer and cite the rust as a big factor, and the fact that its a 20 year old car. pay as little as you can so you can get the most from the car.

[tyrannix]

for 800, if you dont get it, let me know where it is, ill pick it up

[skylinekin]

but the thing is I always wanted a 240SX, ive been looking for 2 years now and I always find something like the supra or starquest but it just doesnt feel right, every time I see a 240 i know thats what I really want.

[skylinekin]

the starquest is in Grand Rapids michigan so if anyone else wants it I will give out the email of the guy, his names randy heres his email [email protected]

[dickie]

so thats where the rust comes from!

just wait on a 240, man, one will come along. and youll have more money saved from waiting.

[Dookie]

mk3's are nice, just never use them for drift.the 7m-gte is probably the ****tiest motor for drifting. the oil pump is garbage on them and would always starve my friends motor. Him and his brother went through 9 7m's before they bought 240's

[grimple1]

It's rear wheel drive. What does the engine have to do with drifting? Heck, I can drift in my dad's 1989 Dodge Diplomat and it's got a 318 (v8).

[dickie]

i think he means real drifting, if there is such a thing for amateurs. obviously the engine (oil pump) on the 7m has a LOT do do with hoe the car drifts... i imagine anything like feeding fluid into an engine when its experiencing lateral g's would require something better?

[Dookie]

i think he means real drifting, if there is such a thing for amateurs. obviously the engine (oil pump) on the 7m has a LOT do do with hoe the car drifts... i imagine anything like feeding fluid into an engine when its experiencing lateral g's would require something better?

wtf are you saying?im saying thanks to the oil pump and oil starvation of a 7m under drift situations, its not a good engine, dont get me wrong, ive seen my friend drift his supra very well, just not worth going through an engine everytime you wanna go have some funyou must be on crack

[dickie]

you just restated everything i said in layman's terms, if i understand you correctly. in drifting youre pulling gees sideways that draws the oil away from the pump and revving the engine into the upper range causing it to starve for oil... thats what baffled oil pans are for?

that was my interpretation of your original statement that grimple was having trouble understanding.

ps maybe you dont understand why i said "real drifting?" because he was talking about powersliding an old dodge if im not mistaken.

and no, im not on crack.


Modified by d!ck at 3:20 PM 11/3/2005

[StrangeLove]

mk3's are nice, just never use them for drift.the 7m-gte is probably the ****tiest motor for drifting. the oil pump is garbage on them and would always starve my friends motor. Him and his brother went through 9 7m's before they bought 240's

Stupidest thing I've ever heard. I have never heard of the 7m having oil pump issues. The 7m was used in many different cars in the 80s, and you would think toyota would of noticed an oil pump problem during the first few years of production. They wouldn't allow something as important as an oil pump to go unnoticed on their flagship sports car. As long as you have enough oil in the 7m it shouldn't have any problems. From what I've been reading the stock oil pump is sufficient for nearly anything you want to do to the 7m. If they went through 9 engines, then I suspect it was due to problems on their part.

Of course, when the oil pump is 2 decades old there is a chance that it might not be working properly, but that goes for any engine. Overall, the 7m is a great motor, and its perfect for the mk3 supra.
Modified by pills at 3:47 AM 11/4/2005

[Dookie]

perfect in a straight line, maybe some spirited track days, but a drift event? pray to god i guess

[skylinekin]

I am found a 240SX and I am going to pick it up next week, thanks for the input and help.

[Dookie]

yay