240/232 cam questions

[Longemailnameguy]

I have seen a lot of info on the 248/240 swap and I am VERY clear on that. But I am doing a 240/232 on my 93 hatch and I can't seem to get the 232 to line up with the marks on the chain. The lobes are way too high. Is there something I am missing? I am at TDC and the crank marks line up on the bottom and top gears. Pics would be VERY appreciated. Also, if someone can answer my question so I can finish this, there may be some spare parts in it for you. Thanks.



UPDATE: I got to thinking. If on a 248/240 swap, you have to turn the gear 4 teeth CCW for proper alignment, then the following should be true:

248 exhaust cam on intake is 8 degrees more than 240 cam on exhaust so gear turns 4 teeth CCW232 exhaust cam is 8 degrees less than 240 intake cam so gear turns 4 teeth CW.

Is my thinking correct? It all seems to line up properly.

Modified by Longemailnameguy at 8:05 AM 12/6/2007
Modified by Longemailnameguy at 2:49 PM 12/6/2007

[simmode1]

Bump for a buddy! Where's DjPantsSpecR, tloof and Bigvinnie when you need em!?

[Longemailnameguy]

I guess if you're not a 100 + poster, you're not worthy of a reply. F-em all in that case. I'm a pretty smart guy. Guess I'll have to make my own posts and create my own loyal followings. Make way for the new breed of gear-head! One that won't flame you for being a newb. One that will actually help and possibly answer a few questions. Happy Quanza! Happy [edit] Hanukkah)! (Hope I spelled that right, no offence!) Merry Christmas!!

[simmode1]

Lol... It's Kwanzaa... Yeah, I don't post much cuz I know how to search. Most threads aren't really worth replying to. I'm sure you'll figure the swap out. over 70 views and no replies... that's really lame...

[Shift_Kouki]

I'm not sure what you've read in your searches, but wouldn't whats said in a lot of the cam threads be applicable to just about any type of cam swap?

Why are you dropping in smaller cams? I mean you're at 240/248 stock... I can kind of see dropping in an S14 exhaust cam as exhaust to help with low end a tiny tiny bit, but my question is why? You have one of the better set ups around as it is.

I think the big thing is to double check the degree's per gear teeth. But I'm a bit confused as to what your getting at there...

Also, about the big post count people... Tloof only had 70-80 posts for a VERY long time.

[UNVMY240]

No replys mean those people didnt know. You dont want someone giving you a BS answer or a guess at best. And 70 views and the forum has 4 replys thats probibly only 10 people that know nothing about cams and is tring to learn from your post. Why dont you call the place you got the cams from or even use the following place . And in closing your thought makes sense about how many teeth you need to move the cam gears.

[Shift_Kouki]

If he is using those stock cam durations they are probably used junk yard / salvage cams... so he cant call up crower like he could if he had bought a set of 264's or something.

Jim wolf's web site is handy, as is a search for this thread title:"KA24DE cams specifications"

Then the last thread that is handy is the "my comments on blah blah blah cam swap" its like a million pages long and was started by wd racing or someone - sorry i cant be more specific on that last one, kinda cramming for a math final atm.

[UNVMY240]

***************THREAD JACK******************** Go HOKIES!!!!! Blacksburg, Va.

Ok back to the topic at hand and sorry for the jack

[simmode1]

I'm not sure what you've read in your searches, but wouldn't whats said in a lot of the cam threads be applicable to just about any type of cam swap?

Why are you dropping in smaller cams? I mean you're at 240/248 stock... I can kind of see dropping in an S14 exhaust cam as exhaust to help with low end a tiny tiny bit, but my question is why? You have one of the better set ups around as it is.

I think the big thing is to double check the degree's per gear teeth. But I'm a bit confused as to what your getting at there...

Also, about the big post count people... Tloof only had 70-80 posts for a VERY long time.

Thanks, but we've read the two threads you've mentioned and more... Apparently not all the swaps are the same. Using the four teeth mothod doesn't work for this swap, it still doesn't line up right.

As to y do this swap, his car is an auto and his 248 cracked beyond repair. I happened to have some s14 cams laying around that I bought for my 248/232 swap, so I gave him the intake cam that I wasn't using. Per the 'My Comments on blah blah swap" 240/232 should be really good for the auto car...
Modified by simmode1 at 5:17 PM 12/9/2007

[Z Style]

I think your 232 cam is an intake cam off of a S14 KA. I have a few sets of cams, I grabbed the wrong 232 and did the same thing when I stepped my 248 exhaust cam down to a 232. I grabbed a 232 exhaust cam and everything lined up. You can still run a 232 intake cam if you don't have an exhaust cam on the exhaust side. You just have to offset it like the you do on the 248 on the intake. Just make the front cam lobes point away from each other at TDC and it should run pretty good. Email me at [email protected] if you have any other questions.

[Longemailnameguy]

Alright. You are exactly right. I finally got this setup to work properly 2 days ago but I was waiting to see how everything worked. (Drum roll)

Great! The car absoultely explodes at around 3700 rpm and pulls hard til around 6000 rpm. I didn't even set the ignition timing yet. Just did it by ear. I really feel it when it hits the powerband. So, in closing, to all that replied and posted, thank you. I will soon be removing my EGR setup. It has not functioned for a while as I installed a home-made block-off plate a while back. I'll post how that goes. THANKS!!

[Z Style]

Don't set the timing to stock specs. Your car will be very slow, trust me I did it. The best way to set it is by ear. Advance it until it barely idles, turn the car off, and try to start it. If it starts with no problem that is where your timing should be at. My car put down 132.6HP and 126.6TQ on the dyno. I didn't have my timing maxed out and unfortunatly I killed my fuel pump before I got to even drive it with all the timing.