2023 Nissan Rogue SL Problems

[dsell]

Hello,
We purchased our 2023 Rogue SL 1-6-24.
It went in the shop 1-20-24 and came out 4 weeks later, 2-20-24
Issues:
Fuel smell when parked in the garage. They replaced the pvc hose and seems to be okay now.

Rattles in dash, pillars, and moon roof. No remedy. They drove another Rogue and determined these are normal rattles for this vehicle.

As we drove home from the shop, the adaptive cruise stopped with the (forward driving aids temporarily disabled front sensor blocked see owner's manual) message. The service manager says it's a known problem that the sensors are too sensitive. I don't agree, both times it has happened the sensors are clear. The first time, it would not switch to manual cruise. The second time, it did. Both times I'm referring to as I was driving.

Climate control or lack of. It was very cold when we purchased it. The blew extremely hot air and would not respond to changes in the dials. This is not in auto mode.

Twice, the air conditioner compressor came on and would not shut off. Once again, I'm not in auto mode. The AC light is not on. I can tell the compressor is on because it's blowing colder air than is available outside the vehicle. The dealer did absolutely nothing to fix it stating cannot replicate issue. I finally figured out by pressing the AC button so that it illuminates, then pressing it again to turn it off, the compressor shuts off.

I have the air conditioner set to off in the eco mode.

I always drive in eco mode, as long as I can remember to set it there.

22 mpg my first two tanks before taking it to the dealer. They checked trim levels and said nothing was wrong. Quite a shock from the window sticker mpg.

Annoyances:
Rear passenger alert everytime I start the car.
Always have to change the main driving screen to my desired screen after the rear passenger alert.
Have to set it to eco mode every time I start the car.
Have to set auto stop to off every time I start the car.
The center rear-view mirror is too low.
The outside rear-view mirrors are shaped strange, small, and don't offer a good view.
The center console is too high. My leg is always against the hard console.
The seats seem soft and comfy, but on longer trips it tends to hurt my back.
The floppy door cover in the cargo area. Try messing with that one handed.
This vehicle is auto everything yet there is a sequence of buttons I have to hit everytime I drive it.
The auto steer constantly cannot detect my hand and pops up warnings.
The rods on the sunvisors are a bit wimpy.
The center console storage area is extremely small.
Cup holders in the fold down arm rest on the back seat are not the most stable.
Reverse selector.


Likes:
Appearance
smooth ride
relatively quiet ride aside from rattles
When the auto steer and adaptive cruise works, it works well. It doesn't ping pong between lines most of the time.
The adaptive cruise staying active all the way to 0 mph and restarting. Wish it would start quicker not leaving so much space between the vehicle ahead.
cup holder positions in the front
seat memory
heated seats and heated steering wheel
stereo
hmi
wide open doors
easy to get in and out, entry height and seat height
inside finish
controls

[dsell]

Watch the video to see the air flow change from the floor to both then to top.

[dsell]

It does the same thing in SYNC mode without being in auto. To get it out of this mode, adjust the air level manually.

[dsell]

[VStar650CL]

It does the same thing in SYNC mode without being in auto. To get it out of this mode, adjust the air level manually.

Yah, I'm not sure why the Rogues do that in Sync mode even though Auto is off, it's definitely an idiosyncrasy in the firmware that previous models don't have. It's an "Auto" behavior, the HVAC knows people generally like cold air on their face and warm air on their feet. So in Auto mode, when it reaches the point where heat is being applied, it goes to bi-level and then feet. By pushing the Mode button you're telling the system you want full control, but that should also happen when you kill Auto. Further proof that there are no bad computers, just bad programmers.

[dsell]

[VStar650CL]

You may have a bad Cam button, but the original firmware for the '23 AV's had some bugs. You can check the version yourself. With the audio off, hold down the Menu hard button and twiddle the Tuner knob back and forth. That will access a service menu. Select Confirmation/Adjustment -> Version Information. The first 4 digits of "Overall Software Version" should be 5188. If it's something else then you have jurassicware. The dealer can update it with a thumb drive, Basic Warranty will cover it.

[dsell]

Thanks. I had to start the engine to get to the menu.

[VStar650CL]

In your last pic, Overall SW Ver shows 5150. That's jurassicware, get it updated.

[dsell]

Would the software update have anything to do with the auto engine stop/start? I never know when it's going to function. It will literally go a week and never activate, then suddenly it decides to turn the engine off at a stop sign. Sometimes, the engine stops when I drive it in the garage and I hit the button to turn the engine off but instead turn it on. I got out of the habit of turning off the auto start stop because it's so intermittent anyway. The other day it did this game and I went shopping in the store. Came back out and lifted the hatch with the fob. Noticed the radio was playing and thought that's weird. New feature I guess. Got in and noticed the car was running. I'm not even sure it was locked. I let it lock itself with when I walk away. If I'm distracted, I forget to listen for the beep. That's another thing, it doesn't unlock the door automatically about 40% of the time. I have to hit the button on the door handle.

[VStar650CL]

No, the AV software doesn't have anything to do with any of that other stuff. The stop-start functionality depends on a lot of things like engine temperature and battery/charge condition, so saying exactly when it should work and when it shouldn't is the ECM's purview. I know of several people who hate S-S and have used these to permanently kill it:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801295604656.html

Your other problem sounds like you forgot to kill the ignition. If you walk away with the key but the ignition is on, it will beep at you but it won't stop running.

[dsell]

Yes, it was my fault I didn't pay attention. The 4 weeks it was at the Nissan dealership for repairs, they gave me a 2019 Jeep Cherokee Latitude. It had the auto engine start stop and it told you when the battery was too low for the system to work. That engine is basic as far as I know and I averaged 26mpg for the 1500 miles I drove it. It had just as much power as this Rogue. That's all I get with this fancy engine in eco mode. Right now, the computer shows 27.8 at 130.4 miles, 29.4 at 680.8 miles, and 28.7 at 1470.2 miles. Auto, manual reset 2, and manual reset 1 respectively. I calculate 24.18 in the last 750 miles, 31 gallons where the computer shows 29.4. I have half a tank and it shows I have 243 miles left. 243/7.25=33.5 mpg? In reality, I have 175 miles left. Where is it getting it's data for range left?

[VStar650CL]

Your Rogue has an aux battery which is specifically for S-S, I don't think the Jeeps have that. So you'll get a code if the aux battery has an issue but no warnings about the main battery. However, the system is still sensitive to main battery charge and load, it won't kill the engine if the load is heavy or the main battery is weak.

The cluster calculates the range based on accumulated minute-to-minute fuel usage sent by the ECM. Only some grungy guy in Hitachi's basement knows the exact algorithm, but I do know the data gets weighted with your most recent consumption getting more weight. The only gen3 I've seen with a screwy range issue was remedied by updating the ECM firmware, we had a go-round with TechLine about it and that turned out to be the fix.

[dsell]

Back to the dealer for 5000 oil change, seatbelt recall, climate control issues. Took a while to convince them it needs the 5188 software. Then, they said it would take 9 hours to download the software. I guess they're on dial up internet. They ordered the seatbelts and said they will update the software when they come in. The service manager pulled up two SVs. Both with 5188 software. One acts like mine on the climate control and the other didn't. He thinks it was because of package diffs on the two, one is premium. He thinks that's the way it should function. That's the way this dealer thinks. If another car on the lot has the same problem then that makes it okay.

[dsell]

The engine is under investigation. My last 35 gallons I averaged 24mpg. Quite a bit of that was 60mph 70 mile trips. My last 7.5 gallons was 21mpg. The computer consistently shows 5mpg more than reality. This fancy variable compression turbo engine isn't pushing this car any better than Toyota's 2.5l. The Toyota gets better mpg and oil changes are every 10k vs 5k. Nissan screwed up on this engine and it's going to bite them.

[nikolace31]

I will go ahead and say that I share most of these annoyances with you. The car looks great, has cool features but there are so many damn bugs. The sensors randomly stop working because it's "cold" (15-20F?). The driver mirror tilts all the way in consistently when it's cold. This is my first Nissan and it will definitely be my last. Buying new never is a good idea and we're learning the hard way.

Can I just go to the dealership and ask for a full update of all the modules? The dealer I have is pretty good, but I also don't want to walk in like an a$$. I'll check the versions before I go, but I'm pretty convinced it's all old software on my '22.

[dsell]

Yet another surprise. I had the oil changed at the dealership yesterday afternoon. That evening, the oil minder came on. After studying the manual, the oil needed to be changed at 5565 + 940 = 6505 They forgot to reset it.

[Vman62]

In your last pic, Overall SW Ver shows 5150. That's jurassicware, get it updated.

My 2023 SV has that software version. Why does the normal settings software update menu mislead you into thinking the car can do automatic updates? If you request it to 'update now', it thinks about it and says all is up to date. For that matter, why can't Nissan mail you a USB stick so you can do the manual update yourself?

[VStar650CL]

My 2023 SV has that software version. Why does the normal settings software update menu mislead you into thinking the car can do automatic updates? If you request it to 'update now', it thinks about it and says all is up to date. For that matter, why can't Nissan mail you a USB stick so you can do the manual update yourself?

They don't even mail us update sticks. They used to, but now the dealership has to buy blank sticks and lucky us gets to spend 30~45 minutes downloading the programs from the Nissan servers. I think you have to ask Bosch about the rest. They make all the radios and navis these days, not Nissan.

[VStar650CL]

PS - Matter of fact, there's not a single scrap of program code anyplace in the vehicle that was written by a Nissan engineer. Bosch, Hitachi, Denso, Calsonic, Continental, and Alps are the usual suspects.

[dsell]

Yet another surprise. I had the oil changed at the dealership yesterday afternoon. That evening, the oil minder came on. After studying the manual, the oil needed to be changed at 5565 + 940 = 6505 They forgot to reset it.

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That was incorrect. I went to reset it and both options were already reset. Just another bug.

[dsell]

Another issue, the rear vents that are behind the center console only blow with the front vents on the lower level. That's fine for heat but doesn't work well in the front for cooling.

[D1dad]

Welp, I won’t ever be looking at a 24. I was seriously considering an upgrade to our 18 and keeping it as an extra vehicle. Not now. What about the 23's? My dealer has a couple on the lot they couldn’t move. But, if it has the stop start function I won’t even bother. Anytime I get a rental car with stop start, I move on to the next.

[VStar650CL]

If you hate Stop-Start on the Rogue, those Chinese "S-S Eliminators" work really well and are plug-and-play. They basically change the default from on to off, so you can still push the button to enable it if you want to:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256801295604656.html

The '24's should frankly be treated like a new model, even though the hardware isn't new. Nissan has gone to the Consult4 (originally developed for the Ariya) for diagnostics, and there seem to be some mystery bugs. We had a '24 fleet car show up the other day with ADAS "malfunction" messages popping up in the cluster but no codes whatsoever in the ADAS (ProPilot). After several go-rounds with TechLine, we finally determined that the radar bracket was bent but the system wasn't producing the expected "radar off center" codes. Then, after making us waste 4 shop hours on guessing games, the bracket turned out to be back ordered. Needless to say, we're unimpressed. I can only hope they're putting some earnest effort into unscrewing things.

[D1dad]

The stop start would be lucky to save a quarter cup of fuel a day yet is one of the most annoying features ever designed. I had a jeep for a rental in Virginia last year and was able to disable it on the cluster. What year did Nissan start implementing it so I know not to look? Im also not a fan of a pissant motor being turbo charged so it will be up to snuff so the 1.5 doesn’t sound appealing. I had a 24 Altima for the last 3 weeks in Florida and even though it had the 2.5, something sounded like it had changed compared to my 21. It was rattly and just sounded sloppy. Granted it was a hertz car but it only had 8k on it.

[VStar650CL]

S-S was added in '22. It was an option in '22~'23 and standard in '24. We're all annoyed that it doesn't have a cluster option to disable it, but sadly, Nissan isn't very responsive to those sorts of complaints (witness the RAB systems on the gen2's).

The '21's had the PR25 NA engine (same as the base Altima) and not the KR15 turbo. Canadian cars (not out of the question for you in Ohio) had the PR25 through '23.

[dsell]

An update on mileage. Last 350 miles 13.149 gallons for 26.63 MPG, computer shows 29.4 on auto refuel. The average for the last 2569 miles has come up to 27.275 MPG, 94.19 gallons. The computer shows 29.7 on Manual Reset 2 at 2500 miles.

The rattles are getting worse as the temp increases. It also sounds like sand or bugs hitting the windshield constantly. Not sure if that's the dash rattle or a new noise. The moon roof rattle is getting extremely annoying too. As the temps have gone past 70, the air compressor kicks on regardless of how the climate control is set. I haven't had any more trouble with the "forward driving sensors disabled". The auto start stop and auto unlock is still intermittent. It was funny the other day a message came up something like auto start stop disable due to climate control. I didn't have the A/C turned on, but it was on. By the time I got the camera out the message was gone.

Opened a case with Nissan as my dealer requested. Going in May 1st, Dan is doing a vehicle inspection from Nissan North America. They're going to keep the car and put the warranty seat belts in. I still don't have the latest software.

[dsell]

Vstar, is there an actuator that would affect the rear center vent air flow? I see there are 4 possible actuators, I have dual zone, not tri-zone to my knowledge. Tri zone would be platinum or an option package on the SL correct? Anyway, there are times I cannot get air flow out the rear seat center vent. A/C on with vents set to top. The St Louis tech said that vent is always on regardless of the settings. They didn't do anything to fix the air flow to the back.

They put the 5188 software in and did change the way it works in auto. My auto would bring the air speed up to mid level and that was pretty much the minimum speed. Now, it's the fan speed is low on auto. It seems to be more responsive to temperature, but I haven't drove it much. Before, it would stick on cold as ice and just keep pumping cold air at medium fan speed even at 74 degrees.

It still moves the air from floor to both to top even when it's out of auto. Like it's still stuck in auto. I can hit the vent position button and then it will stop doing that.

They put some foam in the A-pillars, claimed they rattled in cross wind. They cleaned the tracks on the moon roof and added silicone lube to try and stop the rattles. They said the dash rattle is plastic expanding in the heat and they cannot do anything about it. I haven't driven enough to say if they helped it.

They said my key in the house is too close to the car in the garage and the auto unlock is timing out. I'm storing the key in a different place to see if that is true.

He said the auto start stop has a million reasons not to work. He printed out a list of things that affect it. They checked the battery and said it was good. I might be moving the steering wheel so I'll be conscious of that.

They said the forward driving sensors disabled is the no feedback issue. Meaning Kansas is boring. No change in scenery, so the system faults. That's BS because I was on Interstate I 135 with plenty of traffic the first time it faulted. My theory, the body shop took of the front sensor and didn't go through a calibration procedure after hooking it back up. The dealer put it in the body shop so I shouldn't have to tell them my theory!

New front seat belts installed per recall.

No comment on the camera button and screen lock-up other than they hope the software update helps.

They filled the car up, drove it 24 miles and filled it up again. Took .6 gallons. So, they calculated 40MPG but the screen showed 34MPG. They stated on ticket calculate the mileage don't trust the display. I don't trust their result as I guarantee this car doesn't get 40MPG. That's not enough mileage for an accurate test since the pump can click off at different times during fillup. You cannot top these off so it makes the test difficult on such a short run.

They made a genuine effort on most of the issues. This took intervention by Nissan. My main concern at this point is the climate control. If it's responsive to the temperature setting and I can get air to the back seats, I'll be satisfied. I'll be very happy if they got some of the rattles stopped. I can live with 27mpg as I don't think anything in this class without batteries is doing much better.

After I took it in I test drove 5 vehicles. 2022 Rogue Sport, 2022 hybrid Toyota Avalon, new Toyota hybrid Venza, 2024 Honda CRV Sport L, new Subaru Forester Platinum. The Forester and CRV tied for my next possible vehicle. The CRV doesn't have a spare tire which tips the scale toward the Forester. However, the CRV is hybrid and looks like it will get 4MPG better according to fuelly dot com. The Subaru is a more proven design to the new CRV. It would be interesting to get quotes for insurance on both, but that puts a soft hit on my credit. I'd guess the Subaru would be less as they supposedly have the better safety rating.

Here was the list of issues I gave them to work on:

Please share with Nissan another bug. Ac not on but disables start stop. The ac isn't selected on but the compressor is running.

1. Ac not on but disables start stop.
2. Stop start seldom functions within first ½ hour of operation.
3. Dash, windshield, pillars, moon roof rattles.
4. Fuel mileage doesn’t match window sticker.
5. Displayed fuel mileage 2 to 4.5 MPG off actual calculated.
6. Screen locked on camera button for parking.
7. Rear vents don’t blow correctly.
8. AC compressor comes on without being selected.
9. Climate control changes position of vents automatically but not in auto mode.
10. Climate control either blows extreme hot or cold air without response to controls.
11. Main software is outdated.
12. Forward driving sensors disabled, cruise quits working.
13. Intermittent auto unlock, most often 1st time in the morning.
14. Oil maintenance reminder came on even though both minders reset.
15. Replace seat belts per recall.

[dsell]

Slippery error. Using the PROPILOT ASSIST Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC) following a vehicle, speed set to 35MPH, stopped more than 3 seconds, hit resume and got the error "Unavailable Slippery Road" and the propilot turned off, car stopped accelerating. The road was completely dry and the temp was 65 F. I've had this error twice that I've noticed, but the system has shut down several times hitting the resume after a stop. Seems to work better hitting the accelerator.

Here's from the owners manual:
When your vehicle is stopped for less than approximately 3 seconds and the vehicle ahead begins to move, your vehicle will start moving again auto-matically. When your vehicle is at a standstill for more than approximately 3 seconds and the vehicle ahead begins to accelerate, push up the CANCEL
switch to RES+ or lightly depress the accelerator pedal. The ICC system starts to follow the vehicle ahead. When no vehicle is detected ahead within the driver selected distance, the vehicle travels at the speed set by the driver. The speed must be above 20 MPH (30 km/h) to use this function.

6.5.7.55. 58. [Unavailable Slippery Road] warning (where fitted)
This warning appears when the following systems (where fitted) become unavailable because the road is slippery.

Intelligent Lane Intervention

Intelligent Blind Spot Intervention

Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC)

ProPILOT Assist

(See Intelligent Lane Intervention (where fitted), Intelligent Blind Spot Intervention (where fitted), Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC) (where fitted) or ProPILOT Assist (where fitted).)

Parent topic:
Vehicle information display warnings and indicators

[dsell]

An update to the moon roof rattle. I rolled a napkin to the size of a finger and stuffed it between the headliner and moon roof cover. That stopped the noise. I seldom open it anyway.