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This thing is ridiculous for around $50K. You can't get a 200mph car for anywhere near that price. This thing will smoke most anything on the road, and for a fraction of the cost.
And theres a stage III!
202 Mph VW R32tt
I would say that Audi has the best AWD system since they were at it the longest. They were disqualified from the WRC back in the days when they 1st introduced their AWD system cause the cars were too far ahead of the closest competitor. Now its all electronicly controlled where in those days were hydraulic, I say audi has the best AWD system at this point.
yashin wrote:Meh.. It's not like it comes from the factory.
25K for the car and 25 K in uprgrades.
35k for a 350z plus 15k in mods. You'll run the 1/4 in much faster times, and it will handle better. Plus it will be rwd and won't look like an ugly azz family car like all volkswagons.
Actually the R32 is $30K and the stage II pkg tested here was $25K - so you'd have $20-25K to invest in the Z
That said, I don't think that you're gonna be able to make an 11 sec, 3.2 sec 0-60, 200+ mph Z that pulls over a G on the skid pad w/ $20-25K.
Maybe 2 of the above, but not all 4 - the value of this package is unbeleivable.
Really???
Greddy TT kit -5500 12.79 1/4 mile(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)+Forged Pistons ~ $1000 max.+Rods ~ $1000+ huge injectors+ fuel managemet ~ 2k+ huge fmic 1k
(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)
I'm sure that the 11.5 quarter mile could easily be done for around 15 k
That leaves around 10k for suspension
-very high quality coilovers ~2K-very stick tires ~ 800-other suspension mods, stb, sway bars, bushings - ~2k- lightwieght high quality ~2k
This would easily destroy that volkswagon
Greddy TT kit -5500 12.79 1/4 mile(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)+Forged Pistons ~ $1000 max.+Rods ~ $1000+ huge injectors+ fuel managemet ~ 2k+ huge fmic 1k
(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)
I'm sure that the 11.5 quarter mile could easily be done for around 15 k
That leaves around 10k for suspension
-very high quality coilovers ~2K-very stick tires ~ 800-other suspension mods, stb, sway bars, bushings - ~2k- lightwieght high quality ~2k
This would easily destroy that volkswagon
There isn't a street car on the planet that would destroy this car. Why are you so intent to take this car down? B/c its a VW?
Also, you proved my point in your above post. I said for that money you could get 2 of the above. Your car still needs to be regeared ( and I would think aerodynamically altered) to reach 200mph. $$$. And you still need to knock nearly 2 full seconds of your 1/4.
I'm not saying that the Z isnt a great car, my only point is that this VW package is amazing. Yes I would take the looks of a Z over a VW. But no one has built the Z that will beat this car yet.
Also, you proved my point in your above post. I said for that money you could get 2 of the above. Your car still needs to be regeared ( and I would think aerodynamically altered) to reach 200mph. $$$. And you still need to knock nearly 2 full seconds of your 1/4.
I'm not saying that the Z isnt a great car, my only point is that this VW package is amazing. Yes I would take the looks of a Z over a VW. But no one has built the Z that will beat this car yet.
yashin wrote:Really???
Greddy TT kit -5500 12.79 1/4 mile(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)+Forged Pistons ~ $1000 max.+Rods ~ $1000+ huge injectors+ fuel managemet ~ 2k+ huge fmic 1k
(if you were to peice a kit together yourself it would be much cheaper)
I'm sure that the 11.5 quarter mile could easily be done for around 15 k
That leaves around 10k for suspension
-very high quality coilovers ~2K-very stick tires ~ 800-other suspension mods, stb, sway bars, bushings - ~2k- lightwieght high quality ~2k
This would easily destroy that volkswagon
I hate to rain down on your party but, like I said you don't offer any official proof. You are just writing things down that you assume would get you there, which is completely different then actually doing them. That said, I dont know if you can comprehand the numbers we are talking about here, we're not just talking about a drag car we're not just talking about a road car we are talking about something that is good in every category. Those numbers are freaking serious, a guy tinkering in his garage wouldn't be able to touch these. I'm talking about major resources: wind tunnel testing, constant road course testing breaking lots of parts and killing engines to get it just right, Some of us don't have that kind of money, and if you think you can easily beat out that VW with what you posted up I think you don't comprehand the task at hand.
andrave wrote:you really think that the refridgerator on wheels VW would be a better 202 mph player than the sleek Z?put down the crack pipe yo.
What up yo? I assume you be refferrin' to the aerodynamics, yo. Make your point, show me the drag coefficients on the two. You're basing your conclusion on what? Your eye? Does a Q look more aerodynamic than the sleek lined J? It is.
It's not at all easy to make a car that will surpass the 200mph threshold aerodynamically. The facts I offer are that that "refridgerator on wheels" (btw, it's refrigerator
) has done it - and many cars on the road that appear much "sleeker" are aerodynamically limited well before 200mph.So bring some facts, yo.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that I could only speak to the abilities of cars that I had actually driven and objective numbers were for "p******." You need to check yourself, you got yourself into an argument you aren't going to win w/o numbers - which you have not produced.
I'm not talking my dad's car is faster than your mom's minivan here. I linked an article that has tested this car - and it had phenomenal objective numbers. And you come back with pure conjecture. Provide some numbers to give your argument force.
BTW, it was a few years ago, but I ran a 11.0s 100M in high school - but again, objective numbers are for p******.
I'm not talking my dad's car is faster than your mom's minivan here. I linked an article that has tested this car - and it had phenomenal objective numbers. And you come back with pure conjecture. Provide some numbers to give your argument force.
BTW, it was a few years ago, but I ran a 11.0s 100M in high school - but again, objective numbers are for p******.
f1seb wrote:I hate to rain down on your party but, like I said you don't offer any official proof. You are just writing things down that you assume would get you there, which is completely different then actually doing them. That said, I dont know if you can comprehand the numbers we are talking about here, we're not just talking about a drag car we're not just talking about a road car we are talking about something that is good in every category. Those numbers are freaking serious, a guy tinkering in his garage wouldn't be able to touch these. I'm talking about major resources: wind tunnel testing, constant road course testing breaking lots of parts and killing engines to get it just right, Some of us don't have that kind of money, and if you think you can easily beat out that VW with what you posted up I think you don't comprehand the task at hand.
And what you think that HPA ran this thing through a wind tunnel. Look at it, it's the exact same as a GTI.
It's not a factory car, it just has aftermarket parts on it. If it came from the factory like that (like the SRT-4) that would be a little different.
But if I went to Greddy/Stillen/ whomever, and gave them 25K and a Z they could make a similar if not better car.
andrave wrote:oh, those numbers are the real test data? what correction factor was used?*rolls eyes*you got yourself in this argument dough boy. now get out of it by stfu.
What correction factor was used in your numbers? Oh right, you have none.
Roll your eyes all you want, but take a piece of advice: Stop embarrassing yourself with your idiocy and slowly walk away from this argument.
I'll reiterate, because its not sinking in for you, in the real world, (I use this term in contrast to the internet forum world you must live in where witty - used loosely - retorts trump data) facts and logic win arguments. So you keep working on this one Andrave, and come back when you've got something good (though I don't expect nearly as much).
If you want to come back with more speculation and "wit", qualify yourself, maybe you're a true genius and your unsupported conclusions hold weight beyond your community of internet buddies *rolls eyes*
yashin wrote:And what you think that HPA ran this thing through a wind tunnel. Look at it, it's the exact same as a GTI.
It's not a factory car, it just has aftermarket parts on it. If it came from the factory like that (like the SRT-4) that would be a little different.
But if I went to Greddy/Stillen/ whomever, and gave them 25K and a Z they could make a similar if not better car.
The look of the car doesn't justify if it has been put through a wind tunnel or not. How aerodynamic the shell of the car is not the only thing they would test at the wind tunnel. Anything from adding different spoilers will change how a car behaves, the ride hight of the car also has alot to do with how much downforce is produced which is key for high speeds, cause you would definitly want alot of it when you're hitting those speeds. I don't know why it's so important to you for the car to come out of the factory like that, most of us don't care. And we are arguing the 350z here and that car doens't come out balls out from the factory either. Now we know the 350z is capable of hitting 200+ mph speeds, there was a video here showing that and then the tire blow out. But you see that car was being tested, they didn't know how fast it would actualy go in the end. And as it happens many times in testing things go wrong, like that tire, so write that 350z off. If you gave stillen or greddy the numbers you want it to beat and 25k I wouldn't be surprised if they'd turn you down, or take your money and then later said that they were somewhat shy of some of those figures. If a company hasn't done it yet they probably haven't attempted it yet. And I dobut it that they would attempt it with a customers car with just 25k. If you had unlimited funds then the story would probably be different. And to end this I think it would be fair to say since the VW is the only car that is able to produce such numbers at this point for such a low low price, declare it the winner, at least for now.
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Impressive, but the VW/Audi AWD really cant compare to RWD based AWD systems. This is a fact, VW/Audi systems opperate with most of the torque on the no-fun-wheels and are designed with the borring rainy/snowy day commute in mind.
For $55,000, a 6-speed 350z would definatly be faster. The VQ35-30 has been on the top 10 production motor list for the past 9 years, and is simply a better performance platform to start on. What you lose in your 60ft times because of the RWD you would make up in every other performance catgory (unless your talking about a performance only AWD system like that in the GT-R).
For $55,000, a 6-speed 350z would definatly be faster. The VQ35-30 has been on the top 10 production motor list for the past 9 years, and is simply a better performance platform to start on. What you lose in your 60ft times because of the RWD you would make up in every other performance catgory (unless your talking about a performance only AWD system like that in the GT-R).