2016 Nissan Rogue AWD Tranmission replacement options

[rajesh1136]

Hey all.. I bought my 2016 Nissan rogue SV AWD in USA in July 2016. I legally imported this car to Canada in 2019. Couple of days ago, i observed judder in my drive and also briefly car didnt move in Drive Gear.

Done about 90k miles.

I took it to a local mechanic who in turn suggested to take it to transmissions specialist.

He quoted 7K CAD for rebuild.

Im still not sure what happened to my transmissions and why it failed. Last year i took my car to a local mechanic for some quick inspection and they also suggested to change to Tranmission fluid. Less i know that it needs to be really specific oil and this might have killed my tranmission. i dont know what oil they used. i never asked so this is still speculation.

What are my choices ?
1. i heard about nissan extending CVT warranty. can i claim it ?
2. used tranmission form a 2020 rogue is costing about $3300 CAD including labor change. 38k miles car.
3. sell or trade in as such ?

anyway i can prove that oil used my mechanic is the problem ? should i try replacing the oil now or its a waste ?

this might be another costly mistake story

[VStar650CL]

It probably would have died quickly if wrong fluid was used, but it is possible they overfilled it. Overfilling is anathema to CVT's, it overheats the fluid. How many miles are on it since that change?

To my knowledge you're out of luck on the warranty extension, it only boosted the original 5/60 to 7/84.

CAD $3300 isn't a bad price for a low-miles replacement, but if you want the new one to last, change the fluid every 30K (50K if you prefer km). And if you don't DIY it, make sure the shop knows what it's doing.

[rajesh1136]

It probably would have died quickly if wrong fluid was used, but it is possible they overfilled it. Overfilling is anathema to CVT's, it overheats the fluid. How many miles are on it since that change?

To my knowledge you're out of luck on the warranty extension, it only boosted the original 5/60 to 7/84.

CAD $3300 isn't a bad price for a low-miles replacement, but if you want the new one to last, change the fluid every 30K (50K if you prefer km). And if you don't DIY it, make sure the shop knows what it's doing.

From that oil change till now I will say minimum 20k kms.

I observed this shudder / knocking kind first after driving about 140km / hr in famous 407 then reducing the speed after the exit.

Couple of days later it almost died.


Overfill might be the reason too. I added this risilone cvt addictive to smooth the vibration I observed during stop at the lights. Which will go away if I shift to neutral. But this happened around the same time as the oil change.

To be honest that was only oil change ever as regular engine oil change are DIY.

Part comes with 6 months warranty. I guess that's the best route now. I will update the progress.

[rajesh1136]

Also,Do i need to get it done by Tranmission specialist.. who quoted 1400 labor and 300 for cvt fluid. 1700 CAD

regular mechanic 1000 CAD and no mention of oil. I will get get Eneos. Should it be 6 or 7 quarts for initial fill ?

[VStar650CL]

The used transmission will require reloading the new IP Chars into the TCM plus a reprogram to get rid of any judder codes present, that takes special "work support" which a regular mechanic's scanner probably won't have. However, the trannies usually run with incorrect IP's, just not well. So if the regular mechanic can't do the required programming, you can probably limp it to the dealer to finish the job with the Consult3+. An hour of dealer time will still get you out cheaper than the $1700 CA. With a used transmission, you can obviate all of that if you can get the donor TCM along with the trans. I'd inquire about that with the junkyard, many of them record the VIN with removed C/U's, or they may be able to pull it for you if it hasn't been pulled already.

Used trannies are a complete crapshoot as to how much fluid is in them. I'd advise the tech to use the leveling plug and start with 5 quarts, if nothing comes out then add until he gets a dribble. You won't find the leveling plug in the FSM, but there are lots of various threads in here about how to properly use it.

[rajesh1136]

The used transmission will require reloading the new IP Chars into the TCM plus a reprogram to get rid of any judder codes present, that takes special "work support" which a regular mechanic's scanner probably won't have. However, the trannies usually run with incorrect IP's, just not well. So if the regular mechanic can't do the required programming, you can probably limp it to the dealer to finish the job with the Consult3+. An hour of dealer time will still get you out cheaper than the $1700 CA. With a used transmission, you can obviate all of that if you can get the donor TCM along with the trans. I'd inquire about that with the junkyard, many of them record the VIN with removed C/U's, or they may be able to pull it for you if it hasn't been pulled already.

Used trannies are a complete crapshoot as to how much fluid is in them. I'd advise the tech to use the leveling plug and start with 5 quarts, if nothing comes out then add until he gets a dribble. You won't find the leveling plug in the FSM, but there are lots of various threads in here about how to properly use it.

Thanks. i will try to get the TCM along with the transmission.

[rajesh1136]

The used transmission will require reloading the new IP Chars into the TCM plus a reprogram to get rid of any judder codes present, that takes special "work support" which a regular mechanic's scanner probably won't have. However, the trannies usually run with incorrect IP's, just not well. So if the regular mechanic can't do the required programming, you can probably limp it to the dealer to finish the job with the Consult3+. An hour of dealer time will still get you out cheaper than the $1700 CA. With a used transmission, you can obviate all of that if you can get the donor TCM along with the trans. I'd inquire about that with the junkyard, many of them record the VIN with removed C/U's, or they may be able to pull it for you if it hasn't been pulled already.

Used trannies are a complete crapshoot as to how much fluid is in them. I'd advise the tech to use the leveling plug and start with 5 quarts, if nothing comes out then add until he gets a dribble. You won't find the leveling plug in the FSM, but there are lots of various threads in here about how to properly use it.

while im doing the research and preparing... is there a tool that can help me reprogram myself ? worst case.

i saw few videos that uses the QR code on transmission but need tools to program. I saw all those tools are fairly expensive. Is there a cheaper alternative ?

[VStar650CL]

I don't know of anything cheap, but it's an easy-peasy operation for the dealer or a transmission shop that has the right scanner. They shouldn't charge you more than an hour for an IP load and a repro, so I don't see much point in trying to DIY it.

[rajesh1136]

I don't know of anything cheap, but it's an easy-peasy operation for the dealer or a transmission shop that has the right scanner. They shouldn't charge you more than an hour for an IP load and a repro, so I don't see much point in trying to DIY it.

One final question hopefully.... so used tranmission will have oil in it or its empty ? in that case should i do the next oil change sooner to flush out any debris ?

[VStar650CL]

Whether it has fluid in it or not, you should change it. Never trust the fluids in anything from a scrapyard, you don't know its history, what it's been through, or whether it was sealed up.

[rajesh1136]

For sure I’m changing now but after this should I change at 50k kms or earlier ?

[VStar650CL]

If you have the tech drain the Torque Converter before installing the new one, the bulk of the junkyard fluid will already be out of it. So yes, then you can just go on a regular 50K km schedule.

[rajesh1136]

Going to document the process.

10/30 - CAD $ 2686 2020 Rogue Transmission procured. No TCM came with it and wreckers dont have it. i decided to still get this as it was one of the lowest miles car. 38k Miles.

Spoke to Tranmissions specialist and decided to get it changed by him as TCM needs reprograming and he need 100 CAD for diagnostic fee if dont proceed with repair at his shop

Also, he is okay to bring my own oil. He suggested to go with Eneos if not originianl nissan. Though Canadian motomaster brand might be okay, he wants to go for better one.

10/30 - CAD $ 152. 6 Quarts of eneos CVT oil. Motomaster would have costed 81.34.

Fingers crossed to get my car back with tranmission fixed.

[rajesh1136]

After discussion in this forum, i went with motomaster oil.

im still waiting for the car...

[rajesh1136]

@VStar650CL- Sir. Today i picked up the car. it was late in the day and shop was closing. He told me.. everything is working and didnt need programming.

I came back and i scanned with my bluedriver OBD and i see this error P17F0. Im planning to go back. He is a tranmission specialist. Im not sure why he didnt do but he told me that he filled oil with levelling plug correctly.

He also told me that filter and pan looked very clean. So i assume tranmission is good. whats your thought ?

[VStar650CL]

The TCM isn't part of the transmission, and judder codes won't clear without reprogramming the TCM. The P17F0 is an unerasable leftover from your old transmission.

PLEASE NOTE -- THE IP CHARS FOR THE NEW transmission NEED TO BE REPROGRAMMED INTO THE OLD TCM 100% OF THE TIME. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS. EVEN IF YOUR NEW transmission SEEMS TO RUN OKAY WITH THE OLD IP CHARS, IT ISN'T OKAY. FIND SOMEONE WHO WILL REPROGRAM IT CORRECTLY.

[rajesh1136]

update : He doesnt want to do. Dealers dont have appointment for weeks and another tranmission guy said he will do but he is waiting to get the files from nissan. i have to try again tomorrow. PITA to get anything done in GTA (Ontario)

[VStar650CL]

Bite the bullet. You won't be happy if something goes south again in a few thousand miles because the TCM wasn't running the Valve Body quite right.

[rajesh1136]

Bite the bullet. You won't be happy if something goes south again in a few thousand miles because the TCM wasn't running the Valve Body quite right.

i worked with another Transmission guy who had Nissan Consult. Without me telling he was able to find out that my car was originally in US and exported to Canada. (car came and moved with me lol) EDIT: oh the sticker.. i was excited.None the less he was knowledgeable

anyway he was able to reprogram it for me. charged more than i would be willing to pay but now atleast the code is gone.

He manually entered the value from the QR code after scanning it using the mobile phone scanner.

i can feel the difference in the shift. Now im worried whether the original guy filled the CVT fluid correctly with levelling plug.

[VStar650CL]

Glad you got the IP's straightened away. You can always pop the plug and double-check the fluid yourself.

[rajesh1136]

Thanks for the help.

[rajesh1136]

Glad you got the IP's straightened away. You can always pop the plug and double-check the fluid yourself.

Thank you sir. As i mentioned, my mechanic manually entered the 128 chars. So if he made in any one or 2 or more characters error will the judder code come back ?

i still dont have any error codes. i tested multiple times in last 2 days. But is it a possibility or im over thinking it ?

i found this launch tools having the ability to do the programing rather simply.

cheaper version of the launch tools are able to do the same.

[VStar650CL]

Looks like a great tool, but even the "cheap" versions of it seem to go for about $1K online. Do you know what the cheapest version is that will do Nissan CVT's?

[rajesh1136]

Looks like a great tool, but even the "cheap" versions of it seem to go for about $1K online. Do you know what the cheapest version is that will do Nissan CVT's?

https://www.amazon.com/LAUNCH-CRP919E-B ... B07GVKSTDX

[rajesh1136]

will you suggest me doing this again just to eliminate any manual error ? or it would have thrown the error code even if one letter is missed ?

[VStar650CL]

If that scanner will do it then it's a fabulous deal.

Your transmission would probably misbehave if the guy made any egregious errors, but the IP's are all 2-digit hexadecimal values strung out in the order the TCM wants them, so if he was even reasonably cautious, the chances of him having made errors is pretty small.

[rajesh1136]

If that scanner will do it then it's a fabulous deal.

Your transmission would probably misbehave if the guy made any egregious errors, but the IP's are all 2-digit hexadecimal values strung out in the order the TCM wants them, so if he was even reasonably cautious, the chances of him having made errors is pretty small.

sir to put my mind at peace , i reprogrammed with this tool. it worked out flawlessly. just 2 min work.

my transmission feels lot lot better and smooth like butter lol.

[VStar650CL]

Sweet!