2010 Tiida facelift

[VersaMG08]

Looks like the Tiida in Japan is undergoing a minor facelift for 2010. The rear will stay the same. The changes will be the front end and headlights. Headlights will be similar to the 370z. Hopefully, that will make it over to the US. http://www.4wheelsnews.com/nis...lift/

[iluvmyVersa08]

The front end reminds me of the previous generation Matrix!

[reyes1212]

I think it's cool.If we could get that fender and lights to work on our V's that would be even cooler.

[Ginsu]

I like it. A lot!

[Red Devil]

I think it's cool.If we could get that fender and lights to work on our V's that would be even cooler.

It wouldn't work. If the artists renderings are accurate, the 2 lines that start on the front bumper and sweep to the rear wouldn't work with our old V's side panels.

Looks like the Tiida in Japan is undergoing a minor facelift for 2010. The rear will stay the same. The changes will be the front end and headlights. Headlights will be similar to the 370z. Hopefully, that will make it over to the US. http://www.4wheelsnews.com/nis...lift/

The lines look like a Toyota Matrix, even the grill, and the headlights look like the redesigned Fit's.

[brownbrix]

I like it. A lot!

if the next gen versa looks like this and comes in Turbo im going to have to give up my murano dreams

[hrdcorpdrummer15]

dammit. it looks awesome....dammit

[superskunk]

1.6 turbo!

[Johniboi]

wow...im jealus

[silverarrow27]

Twin charged awd would be SWEET!

[NewToVersa]

Look like the Mercedes C63AMG

[MinisterofDOOM]

Don't put any stock in that illustration. It's nothing more than a magazine artist's rendering. It doesn't even match the description given by the article it appears in.

[superskunk]

im really hoping that the US sees that 1.6 turbo...

[robj80]

we already have the 1.6, I'm praying this 1.6 is an hr16det. That would mean used exhaust manifolds and turbo's are in my future.

[feloniousmonk]

if the next gen versa looks like this and comes in Turbo

That will happen when pigs start flying out of your rear.

Pay attention to recent and current ads. Performance and horsepower is not where things are headed.

[superskunk]

That will happen when pigs start flying out of your rear.

Pay attention to recent and current ads. Performance and horsepower is not where things are headed.

was that really necessary? you talk a big stink about how the versa is the econo car, but we are yet to see you in Fontana.... let us know when you want to have the wool removed from your eyes.... and by that i mean all your marketing research dont count for sh*t, untill you actually come out and drive one of our versas...

[APEXi240]

was that really necessary? you talk a big stink about how the versa is the econo car, but we are yet to see you in Fontana.... let us know when you want to have the wool removed from your eyes.... and by that i mean all your marketing research dont count for sh*t, untill you actually come out and drive one of our versas...

The Versa is an economy car. I'd place a fair-sized bet that we will not see any turbocharged version of this vehicle in the near future. I don't see what was so "unnecessary" about his comment.

[superskunk]

not his comment just the way he said thats all....

[Rockhound]

not his comment just the way he said thats all....

Seriously, that sensitive? Maybe you should re-read his comment with a snarky, jocular tone, and g-g-g-get over it. Anyway, he's right.

Don't put any stock in that illustration. It's nothing more than a magazine artist's rendering. It doesn't even match the description given by the article it appears in.

True dat. Some recent vehicles come to mind (Kia Soul, for instance) that stayed amazingly true to the concept renditions, but as you said, this one doesn't even match the literature to go with it.

As it is I do find the artist's rendition to be a nice evolution of the Versa. There's a bit of the Vibe/Matrix in there, but I actually find that with the more pronounced swoop in the swage line and the shorter greenhouse, it has a bit of Mazda design appearance to it. I also think the grille design is a bit cleaner than the current design, no matter how derivative it may be.

But I won't hold my breath.

[feloniousmonk]

was that really necessary? you talk a big stink about how the versa is the econo car, but we are yet to see you in Fontana.... let us know when you want to have the wool removed from your eyes.... and by that i mean all your marketing research dont count for sh*t, untill you actually come out and drive one of our versas...

Fine. Stick your head in the sand, take offense to anything (even facts) you don't like. It makes no difference to me. What's going on with the brand is pretty obvious if you pay attention. You've clearly missed my post on the Clio Sport. And since I do work on the stuff, I think I would know a little more about what's going on.

not his comment just the way he said thats all....

I beg to differ. It's the negative way you chose to read it. There is a difference between someone talking trash and stating the facts. Grow up and learn to agree to disagree. Not everything in this world will conform to your preferences.

[Ginsu]

New Z = lighter, more horsesNew Maxima = more horses, PR campaign about returning to roots of performanceNew Altima = introduction of a coupe, more horsesNew Murano = more horsesG Series = more horsesGT-R introduced in US, more horses

It seems pretty obvious to me that Nissan is still moving in the direction of increasing performance. I'm not saying they will bring a turbo over from Renault, but it could happen. And its not like the turbo would suddenly be the only model offered, you could still coast around in a 1.6L econobox if you wanted to.

Also, how can a comment about pigs flying out of his rear be "the negative way you choose to read it"?

[feloniousmonk]

You've only named a small percentage of the ads that have been running. And this isn't about Infiniti, so the G example is invalid. As for where things are going, I'm not going to bother to say more. You either get it or you don't. The answer is there for all to see, or for those who aren't too delusional to see it.

The flying pigs comment is just a phrase, like "dream on" or "not gonna happen". I'm done with this, can't help the blind see.

[MinisterofDOOM]

New Z = lighter, more horsesNew Maxima = more horses, PR campaign about returning to roots of performanceNew Altima = introduction of a coupe, more horsesNew Murano = more horsesG Series = more horsesGT-R introduced in US, more horses

It seems pretty obvious to me that Nissan is still moving in the direction of increasing performance. I'm not saying they will bring a turbo over from Renault, but it could happen. And its not like the turbo would suddenly be the only model offered, you could still coast around in a 1.6L econobox if you wanted to.

Advertising != reality.And more horses is not the same as more performance oriented. Everything's more powerful now. And everything's heavier now, so you need more horsepower to maintain the SAME performance. The new Accord weighs almost as much as my Q45! It NEEDS 260hp. The old Accord did not.

The Z is the only one of your examples that's actually a performance improvement, and it definitely is, being lighter, more powerful, more agile, and smaller.

Nissan can slap bastardized versions of the old 4DSC logo on the new Maxima and advertise it as a sport sedan all they want, but it's obvious they're not serious about it or they would have done things differently. If it's a sport sedan, why does it still have the old VQ35DE? It SHOULD have the VQ37VHR. Nissan couldn't even be bothered to upgrade it to the VQ35HR. Performance oriented my a**. And then there's the fact that this is the first Maxima NOT TO HAVE a manual transmission. None of that sounds like a move toward performace to me. Sounds like a move away from it.

The coupe variant of the Altima has nothing to do with performance. It's an aesthetic option for the kind of people who buy Accord and Camry coupes, which also have nothing to do with performance. The Accord and Camry 2 door sedans (they're not really coupes, just don't tell them that) have existed and sold well for decades. Nissan was tired of missing out on those sales and after re-establishing the Altima as a competitor in 2002, the coupe was the next logical step to true competition with the big dogs. The Camry Solara is as un-performance as you can get. It's a car designed specifically for middle-aged moms who want a "cute" 2 door. THAT is the market the Alty coupe was created for. It's not a performance enhancement. 2 less doors does not make an Altima a sports car. It makes it a less useful Altima that moms think is cute.

The Murano and Altima only make "more power" because EVERYTHING with the VQ makes more power. It's not really a performance change, it's just keeping up with the times. The Murano is still the sportiest and spriest of the midsize crossovers, though.

The GT-R is a halo car, so of course it'll be awesome. Doesn't mean that's the direction Nissan's taking with the rest of it's lineup. In fact, it allows them to be MORE boring with the rest of the lineup and still maintain the face of performance.

[superskunk]

Fine. Stick your head in the sand, take offense to anything (even facts) you don't like. It makes no difference to me. What's going on with the brand is pretty obvious if you pay attention. You've clearly missed my post on the Clio Sport. And since I do work on the stuff, I think I would know a little more about what's going on.

I beg to differ. It's the negative way you chose to read it. There is a difference between someone talking trash and stating the facts. Grow up and learn to agree to disagree. Not everything in this world will conform to your preferences.

blah, so you coming to fonatana next month?

[BlueMango]

If they're going to releases the 1.6L turbo in Japan I don't think it would be too far reaching to think that offering the SL with a 1.6L turbo option in the US could happen.

What? You want Ginsu to clog up the thread with every single ad running? He was giving examples. Also while there are more tree hugging ads out there it doesn't mean that the brand will be dropping their performance/HP standards completely. There are too many people out there who enjoy their cars and want those things. The advertising is just emphasizing the green factors if you will to show that you don't have to settle for the prius or insight. You can have a car that will fit your needs, be green (this is arguable), looks good and performs well.

Minister - You're right... advertising does not equal reality, it's simply a statement of the image that the company wants you to see and promotion of the product they want to sell more of. Based on that assumption we can not say that the entire brand is moving one way or the other. I think it's safe to say that while the bulk of their vehicles may be moving towards the green/lame genre, there will still be vehicles that have performance elements or have the potential for performance elements. The GT-R, Z, Murano and Versa are good examples.

The Maxima not having a manual transmission is probably directly related to the lack of people who know how to drive one. The manual transmissions are getting harder to sell in the sedan/mommy mobile class. They offer them on the sportscars, econo-boxes and SUV's (limited even here though). It's sad but it happens.

[Rockhound]

If they're going to releases the 1.6L turbo in Japan I don't think it would be too far reaching to think that offering the SL with a 1.6L turbo option in the US could happen.

Actually, looking at Nissan's history in the US, it would appear unlikely to see them carry over a JDM turbo option to the US. There have been several turbo'ed engines available in Japan that never made it to the US like the SR20DET and CA18DET, for example. So I definitely wouldn't hold my breath on the Versa suddenly breaking this trend - it hardly seems the car fit to do so, anyway.

What? You want Ginsu to clog up the thread with every single ad running? He was giving examples.

No, it was that some of his examples were based on faulty logic - like saying that adding horsepower = improving performance. That's not the case if the model refresh added significant weight, right? Sounds good on a commercial, though.

I think it's safe to say that while the bulk of their vehicles may be moving towards the green/lame genre, there will still be vehicles that have performance elements or have the potential for performance elements. The GT-R, Z, Murano and Versa are good examples.

Not sure how many current vehicles Nissan has that I'd consider "green" other than the not-widely-available Altima hybrid. The point is merely that many Nissan vehicles are losing a bit of their 'edge' with each refresh, highlighted by the loss of options like a manual transmission on the Maxima and the continual bloat of the lineup (save for the Z). I wouldn't exactly lump the Versa in with GT-R, Z, or Murano (?) either - if anything the Versa would tend to be lumped into that 'green' category you brought up, since it saves gas the good ol' fashioned way, a small car with a small engine.

The Maxima not having a manual transmission is probably directly related to the lack of people who know how to drive one. The manual transmissions are getting harder to sell in the sedan/mommy mobile class. They offer them on the sportscars, econo-boxes and SUV's (limited even here though). It's sad but it happens.

True enough, but this isn't exactly a new trend in the US, either. I doubt stickshift Maxima's have made up a significant percentage of sales for quite some time (if ever) but the fact alone that Nissan saw fit to still equip their flagship Nissan sedan with a stick seemed to suggest their commitment to performance.

[Red Devil]

Actually, looking at Nissan's history in the US, it would appear unlikely to see them carry over a JDM turbo option to the US. There have been several turbo'ed engines available in Japan that never made it to the US like the SR20DET and CA18DET, for example. So I definitely wouldn't hold my breath on the Versa suddenly breaking this trend - it hardly seems the car fit to do so, anyway.

add the RB to that list. Hell, we wouldn't even have the 1.6 over here if Nissan hadn't decided to introduce an even cheaper trim level to try and move units.

Quote »No, it was that some of his examples were based on faulty logic - like saying that adding horsepower = improving performance. That's not the case if the model refresh added significant weight, right? Sounds good on a commercial, though. [/quote]Case in point, 1990's Firebirds and Camaro's. 250-300hp and only got 14-15sec 1/4 mile times. I hate model bloat, which seems to stem from our "need" for a ton of extra crap. I understand the need for at least 2 airbags......but 6-8??? Should I just wrap myself in bubblewrap whenever I drive?? Every car nowadays has to have navigation and bluetooth and automatic this and self adjusting that. Why can't every car be like the Ariel Atom?

Quote »Not sure how many current vehicles Nissan has that I'd consider "green" other than the not-widely-available Altima hybrid. The point is merely that many Nissan vehicles are losing a bit of their 'edge' with each refresh, highlighted by the loss of options like a manual transmission on the Maxima and the continual bloat of the lineup (save for the Z). I wouldn't exactly lump the Versa in with GT-R, Z, or Murano (?) either - if anything the Versa would tend to be lumped into that 'green' category you brought up, since it saves gas the good ol' fashioned way, a small car with a small engine. [/quote]Their only real "green" vehicle is the Denki Cube, the electric version of the cube. I think that was only a prototype and not a production car though.

[VersaMG08]

Wasn't there another prototype car Nissan was running that was all electric? I thought it was the Azeal or something...

[audtatious]

2007 Mixim, 2008 Denki Cube, 2008 Nuvu and a few others

http://www.conceptnissan.com

[audtatious]

was that really necessary? you talk a big stink about how the versa is the econo car, but we are yet to see you in Fontana.... let us know when you want to have the wool removed from your eyes.... and by that i mean all your marketing research dont count for sh*t, untill you actually come out and drive one of our versas...

Guys, this is the internet. Too many people around with panties bunching tightly around the ball sack......

The above is directed to everyone on this forum, not just the reply above. Everybody friggen relax.