Engine is finished.

[gaspricessuckk]

hey, new here but not new to forums, i am on mirageforums.net, blazerforums.com, saabcentral.com etc

My parents own a 2007 nissan versa hatchback, 6 speed manual i think close to 100k, not sure, all highway miles, dad drives about 45 mins to work and back. Two mornings ago he got off the highway and on the offramp, it died, wouldn't turn over, all the lights worked.

got it towed to a mechanic, and they got it started, but said it is something major, and wouldn't drive it more then a couples miles, and they can't fix it because they don't do engines. have no clue what it is and we really don't have the money for this

(recently our old furniture store that is vacant that we have been trying to sell for 2 years had a buyer then the roof collapsed.)

any ideas at all would be helpful. also i should add in it has always ticked even after putting in oil, and i have noticed when i have driven it the performance has been horrible

edit again, car has almost 90k, was 5k since a oil change, but he oil change was recent, on his way to work oil light came one, so on his way home he put in two quarts. engine isn't seized

[vtyde]

hard to say without seeing/hearing but it sounds like it overheated. It might have originally seized due to high temp, then when it cooled down the mechanic was able to start it.

Was coolant ever changed, if so when, and are all the coolant hoses intact?

[gaspricessuckk]

hard to say without seeing/hearing but it sounds like it overheated. It might have originally seized due to high temp, then when it cooled down the mechanic was able to start it.

Was coolant ever changed, if so when, and are all the coolant hoses intact?

uploading videos now, i just started it and it is a very loud tic, extremely loud and when you step on the gas it baugs down and the ticing gets louder

[gaspricessuckk]

and not sure about the coolant, like i said its a extremely loud tic and the mechanic noise they said is rapping

video 1 of 3
LOUD TIC

2 engine shot loud tic

ENGINE LOUD TIC

stepping on the gas

STEPPING ON THE GAS

[vtyde]

If you're lucky, it might just be a bad oil pump (or a blockage in the oil) & there's not enough pressure at the top of the engine for the lifters. Otherwise I hate to say it, but an engine rebuild, a new engine, or a new car is in your future.

[gaspricessuckk]

If you're lucky, it might just be a bad oil pump (or a blockage in the oil) & there's not enough pressure at the top of the engine for the lifters. Otherwise I hate to say it, but an engine rebuild, a new engine, or a new car is in your future.

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Hard to tell with the hood closed and audio isnt the greatest for this sort of thing online. Sounds like a failed lifter.

Is the noise coming more from the top or bottom?

try and record it with the camera outside already then start it.

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Is it not under warranty? Oil light came on? Check for leaks on the oil pan, plug (not tight enough), oil filter (not tight enough) . . . I can't see all the vids, because my net speed is crap.

I have only watched 3/4 of the first vid. The chugging sound might be a vac leak somewhere.

I have heard C6 vette guys who drop valves on their motor. They can't start the car again . . . this is implied from browsing through a bunch of posts from them.

[anthony870]

Hey there, welcome to the forum. sorry it is on bad terms. I just let my dad, who is a mechanic for meineke here in Tennessee, listen to your videos and get his opinion on the situation. First thing he said is put oil in it. So is definitely a problem with oil not getting to the lifters. Could be an oil pump but more then likely if has been many miles in between oil changes it could have harmed the engine and a rebuild or replacement may be in store. Oil changes should be performed every 3000 to 3500 miles or every 3 months, which ever comes first. And oil change includes draining oil, changing filter and refill oil not just adding 2 quarts.

but he oil change was recent, on his way to work oil light came one, so on his way home he put in two quarts.

Not sure if that is what you meant by that. Mine takes 4 quarts of oil. I would definitely get the oil pump checked out before going any further and get an oil change. Hopefully that will solve the problem. Sorry for the bad news.

[gaspricessuckk]

Hey there, welcome to the forum. sorry it is on bad terms. I just let my dad, who is a mechanic for meineke here in Tennessee, listen to your videos and get his opinion on the situation. First thing he said is put oil in it. So is definitely a problem with oil not getting to the lifters. Could be an oil pump but more then likely if has been many miles in between oil changes it could have harmed the engine and a rebuild or replacement may be in store. Oil changes should be performed every 3000 to 3500 miles or every 3 months, which ever comes first. And oil change includes draining oil, changing filter and refill oil not just adding 2 quarts.

but he oil change was recent, on his way to work oil light came one, so on his way home he put in two quarts.

Not sure if that is what you meant by that. Mine takes 4 quarts of oil. I would definitely get the oil pump checked out before going any further and get an oil change. Hopefully that will solve the problem. Sorry for the bad news.

well so far i have double on what people have said, compression test, lifters, valves, pans, oil etc. so maybe it can be saved. we will see.

[williamk10]

Lifters for sure. My old car's lifters were would when cold and ticking went up as revs went up. Goes away once engine gets warmer, but in some cases, it doesn't.

[gaspricessuckk]

Well i think today we are getting it towed to a dfferent mechanic

[vtyde]

Let us know what happens. Real sorry for the problems.

[gaspricessuckk]

no problem i guess my uncle is going to look at in sunday he is a master mechanic

[anthony870]

good luck

[gaspricessuckk]

Engine is finished, has a rod knoc.

[vtyde]

that was it? You saved the engine? I almost feel let down! Or really happy for you.

[gaspricessuckk]

no no i mean its s***, s*** the bed, no good

[TommyV8]

I wonder how that would have happened. Stretched rod bolt under extremely high RPM operation causing a spun bearing? Oiling issue maybe? In any case the engine should be able to be rebuilt, unless the block is cracked or something (I don't see why it would be).

[gaspricessuckk]

Oil, with out a doubt.

just selling the car as is.

they are already looking for another car, and never going back to nissan again

[Andrews Chalmers]

Oil, with out a doubt.

just selling the car as is.

they are already looking for another car, and never going back to nissan again

Sorry to hear about your negative experience. I've always found Nissan's drivetrain to be bullet proof.

[gaspricessuckk]

Well thats fine for the drivetrain, not fine for the engine.

they like a nice 04 saab in town

[Andrews Chalmers]

Well thats fine for the drivetrain, not fine for the engine.

The engine is part of the drive train.

Going from a Versa to a Saab? Reliability can't be any better.

And as far as I can tell, there's the strong possibility that your father's addition of 2 quarts of engine oil to address the low oil pressure light contributed to the critical failure. The low pressure light is universal and usually means the oil pump or valve cover gasket has a leak & the engine head will not be properly lubricated.

Again I'm sorry for your family's ownership experience, but you can have the most reliable automobile in human history (i.e. late-model Toyota Echo), and destroy the engine with what you described above.

[gaspricessuckk]

Yeah true, but hey s*** happens.

and well i drive the saab

idk what they are getting

a plus is we got 2500 for the car, when i posted it on craigslist for 1500

[led hed]

just a head's up WE HAVE NO LIFTERS!

[TommyV8]

Yeah, I was gonna say, is there a pushrod option for the Versa?
This is kinda scary that the bottom end let go with not even 90k on it. My dinosaur Mulletmobile has 213k and is still chugging along (though admittedly it's seen better days, the piston slap is starting to be as loud as rod knock).

[vtyde]

just a head's up WE HAVE NO LIFTERS!

I learn something new every day.

I've had nothing but good experiences with Nissan: a '95 Hardbody pickup that I sold at 107k with the original clutch - never even needed a brake job; an '05 Quest that the wife has completely abused and is still running great.

In that regard, I'm very disappointed to hear about gaspricessuck's experience, and I would be very curious to know what happened. What failed? Was it the oil pump, or maybe a blockage in the oil or cooling system somewhere? Were there any warning signs?

[Andrews Chalmers]

In that regard, I'm very disappointed to hear about gaspricessuck's experience, and I would be very curious to know what happened. What failed? Was it the oil pump, or maybe a blockage in the oil or cooling system somewhere? Were there any warning signs?

The warning sign was probably the engine oil light, which showed either that oil pump was failing or very likely the valve cover gasket has a leak.

The engine head will not be properly lubricated.

His father decided to add more oil to "fix" the problem a continue driving. That killed the engine. The MR-18 engine will last, but it does not tolerate poor lubrication well.