jerryd1987 wrote:supercharger? not too impressive the parasitic loss on those things are retarded, and they arnt "instant boost" like people think, the centris behave exactly like a turbo and often have more lag due to the fact their design is ancient and the bearings cant take as many rpm's as turbos due to the extra load from the belt. to get instant boost of a blower you need a roots(stillen which is tiny) or whipple(not made for the z) if you still insist on this route im hoping to release a eaton tvs-1320 supercharger kit this summer or winter(mayby even longer i need 5 people minimum willing to put deposits down and right now i only have 2, so a mustang or torino charity project is higher on my to do list when the shop is functional.), its a roots style like the stillen but instead of the tiny m62 blower(what the chevy cobalt ss came with stock as well as some other engines lol) the blower is sized between the old terminator mustang super chargers and the new gt500 blower, capable of about 900 bhp. be aware that is about 600 whp since the blower alone takes 200 hp to spin at that power(any blower on a 3.5L making enough boost to make that much power) although i could go to a tvs1900.
or i can do some wicked fast spooling turbo setups
just keep me in mind when your ready.
I know you're the resident 350Z FI expert on this forum but I have to ask, how are you figuring a 300hp difference between the flywheel horsepower and the wheel horsepower based on the parasitic drag of the supercharger? The blower may well need 200hp to run it, but this loss would be seen at the crank too, not just at the wheels. In other words, you would never measure the gross horsepower of the engine before the parsitic loss at the flywheel, because this power has been used to run the blower before it can ever be transmitted to the drivetrain. Therefore if there is 600hp at the wheels, figuring your average 20% drivetrain loss, you're looking at ~750 at the crank. But you can't then say that this is a ~950bhp engine that's losing 200hp to its supercharger, because you can't make the 750 without the supercharger. By that logic (since internal combustion engines are only about 30% thermally efficient) you could say that the VQ35 is actually a 1000hp engine that losses 70% of its power to waste heat and friction of the reciprocating assembly.
Also I don't understand why superchargers take all the beating on parasitic loss and turbos don't. Is a turbo not a significant exhaust restriction? Are you not still "robbing power to make power" in that respect? Additionally, running significant levels of boost usually requires lowering the compression ratio of the engine in order to avoid detonation, effectively diminishing its power and efficiency when not in boost. How is that not sacrificing power to make power? Now the overall ratio of power used vs power gained may be better with turbos and with superchargers, but nonetheless, turbos are not "free hp" any more than superchargers are "instant boost."
If there are important factors I'm missing, please enlighten me.