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Most people know that Lotus announced they would be finally bringing the Elise to the U.S. But, if you are like me, didn't realize how close it is to being here.

Officialy U.S. release date is 04/04. Since I found this out, I've been hanging around the Lotus forums lately, drooling.

For those that don't know, the U.S. is getting an even faster version than Europe gets. Europe gets a 118 HP Rover powered car, while the U.S. is getting a 187 HP Toyota version.

The engine will be the Toyota 2ZZ-GE, which is also the engine used in the Celica GTS and the Matrix. It will have a base price of $39.985. A 187 HP I-4 may not seem like a deal for $40k, but considering the car only weighs in at 1975 lbs. This 1.8 L engine will propell the car to the 1/4 in only 13.1 seconds, in stock form.

Anyway, financial issues won't let me get one of these yet, but I will seriously be considering one in the next 2 years. If I do get one, it will be the first non-Nissan I'll have ever bought (with the exception of a Mazda I owned for 3 months this past year). I think I'm going to go down to the local Lotus dealer this week to figure out payments and grab any brochures they have :)


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I've been shouting this from the mountain tops for close to a year now. The UK car mags have been hootin & hollerin about the Toyota powered unit that will hit our shores for some time.

The stink of it is, there are several trim levels available in the UK. One of which is the 190hp track ready model. Bad to the bone, light as a feather too.

Here is a list of trim levels available in the UK:

(S2 indicates 2nd generation, current model)Lotus Elise S2 ....................120hp 124lb ft.... 726kgLotus Elise S2 Sport 135.... 135hp 129lb ft ... 726kgLotus Elise S2 135R ........... 135hp 126lb ft ... 720kgLotus Elise S2 111S ........... 156hp 129lb ft ...806kgLotus Elise S2 Sport 190..... 190hp 128lb ft....710kg

Lotus Elise ('96-00) .............118hp 122lb ft....731kgLotus Elise Sport 160 ('00)... 158hp 122lb ft ...740kg

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EZcheese15 wrote:... A 187 HP I-4 may not seem like a deal for $40k, but considering the car only weighs in at 1975 lbs....


Can you say, go-kart?

I saw one of the last generation Elise's on the street when I was in London. It was fully race modded, brakes, wheels, wing, sponsor stickers<!?!>. Man, Europe is so cool... though it seems in the case of the Elise, we're getting hooked up here in the States.

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I was very impressed with it after I read the article in Road and Track. Plus, the modibility will be endlessssss... :)

....and it's about time UK gets the shaft on the car options, and not the US, eh? :D

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Phax wrote:Can you say, go-kart?

I saw one of the last generation Elise's on the street when I was in London. It was fully race modded, brakes, wheels, wing, sponsor stickers<!?!>. Man, Europe is so cool... though it seems in the case of the Elise, we're getting hooked up here in the States.


I've actually seen an exige on the streets in the U.S. Not at a show or something, but on the road (GA ST RD 20 to be exact). Not very legal, but I swear it was there.

I've also seen many elises at various races in the U.S. Usually parked in the parking lot. After all, they have been selling them here in the U.S., just not for street use until now.

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crzycav86 wrote:it's about time UK gets the shaft on the car options, and not the US, eh? :D


The current Lotus Elise S2 Sport 190 on UK market:

190hp 128lb ft....710kg

710kg = 1565lbs

We got the shaft, again.They've got a variant that is 410 lbs lighter. UK car market > US car market.

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Their cars don't have stereo and I think they have less sound-deadening, cloth seats or something and some other things that we do have. It is all about different markets. Either way though, if someone drives it in the rain well... leaky leak! The only reason to get that car is to track it.

I want one!

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I got in one at the atl autoshow and not at hin. well they are very small space. I am 5'6 and I could fit in comfortbly by my dad 6'2 and he could not fit in comfortably .

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If i had the money, i would so buy one. I love the styling (always have)

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I have a friend who already ordered one with a target delivery of April. He intends to use it on the track. I'm looking forward to getting a ride in it.

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there was an older Elise and a Maserati Spyder at the Auto X here once, they actually faired really well with times comporable to the Sevens:)

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SmithSR wrote:The current Lotus Elise S2 Sport 190 on UK market:

190hp 128lb ft....710kg

710kg = 1565lbs

We got the shaft, again.They've got a variant that is 410 lbs lighter. UK car market > US car market.


I believe the 1900 lbs that I said is the Gross weight, not actual weight. If I remember correctly, Gross weight is actual weight plus 150 lbs * # of seats + 50 lbs for luggage. That would make it more like 1600 lbs, similar to the UK version.

Unless ofcourse, the 710 Kg stat you got is the Gross weight also, but I find that hard to believe.

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i think the car look really nice;

Quote »From Car & Driver::

2005 LOTUS ELISE

Vehicle type: mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door roadsterEstimated base price: $39,000Engine type: DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection

Displacement: 110 cu in, 1796ccPower (SAE net): 190 bhp @ 7800 rpmTorque (SAE net): 133 lb-ft @ 6800 rpmTransmission: 6-speed manualWheelbase: 90.6 inLength/width/height: 149.0/67.7/44.0 inCurb weight: 2000 lb

Manufacturer's performance ratings:Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 secZero to 100 mph: 12.6 secTop speed (drag limited): 141 mph[/quote]

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I'm really not that impressed. I think the car is a little overdone for what it is. It's a toyota engine pushing less than 200 horse. Yeah the car is light, so that makes it fast- but christ look at the styling. It's like some sort of supercar, and it's really just not.

Unless the suspension and balancing is really just out of this world, I really dont feel like this car is much more than a slightly above average car.... with a lotus badge on it.

True I havnt driven it (or seen it it real life, even), so I could be wrong.. but comeon. They couldnt do better?

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i thougth elise can hang with the best when it comes to track racing...

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I've come to the conlcusion that I'm the only person who thinks the damn thing looks goofy, atleast from the side. Everything is over-accented with mindless curving bubbles...like a freakin' Hyundai. Of course the look does have something "cool" about it but for that price, I'd take a MkII MR-2 Turbo over that thing anyday.

And as for suspension, Lotus is renowned for having some of the best handling cars.

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fiznat wrote: It's a toyota engine pushing less than 200 horse. Yeah the car is light, so that makes it fast- but christ look at the styling. It's like some sort of supercar, and it's really just not.


i do agree, the car does look faster than it's motor can live up-to. however, it does show some quality in design.

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fiznat, I think you'll need to drive this car on a race track to appreciate how special it is. It's not much on creature comforts. So I'll bet it's not a particularly good car for commuting. Lotus has always built fun light, agile sports cars. This one seems to follow tradition. Lotus' biggest problem has always been reliability. With a Toyota motor, this could be the best Lotus ever. We'll see.

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While Lotus's forte is not reliability, for suspension and handling, they are exceptionally talented! They are simply the best at showing the enthusiast consumer driver just what it feels like to drive a true race car.

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fiznat wrote:Unless the suspension and balancing is really just out of this world...


It will be, that's the point. The car will be a freakin go-kart. I wouldn't want one for a daily driver though.

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take a moderna and shrink it, and you have the elise.

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Looks like a super sexy MR2 to me!Which I love BTW:Those thins are going to kicking arse on the autox tracks as well as road racing.

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fiznat wrote:I'm really not that impressed. I think the car is a little overdone for what it is. It's a toyota engine pushing less than 200 horse. Yeah the car is light, so that makes it fast- but christ look at the styling. It's like some sort of supercar, and it's really just not.

Unless the suspension and balancing is really just out of this world, I really dont feel like this car is much more than a slightly above average car.... with a lotus badge on it.

True I havnt driven it (or seen it it real life, even), so I could be wrong.. but comeon. They couldnt do better?


Lotus has a reputation for a reason.

If you don't think it's special, don't get one.

What do you suggest they do better on?

What's wrong with a car that goes fast on the basis that it's light? Road and Track did a 10 Best Handling cars comparo and the Lotus Elise ended up in the top five. Take a 360 Modena, cut the engine in half, shrink it and drop the price $100,000 off the sticker and you have...an Elise.

The reason they use a Toyota engine is because one of the Lotus guys has a long friendship with a dude at Toyota. Otherwise a Honda engine would have been perfect. Anyway, if I got one, I'd want to get absolutely no options except for A/C and power brakes.

Yes. Power brakes.

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relax man, I was just sayin that I think the styling is a little bit overdone for what kind of power it has. even the fact that the price is reletavly cheap for a lotus makes me wonder if we kinda got the bogus lotus, ya know? I'm sure the handling is great- and #2 in road and track's test is fairly impressive, but the American market is typically all about the power these days. Why do you think every 4 door sedan like the maxima is pushing around 250 horses or more? hahaha think about it! what happens to all that expensive weight savings when you put an obese American inside??? lol

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fiznat wrote:relax man, I was just sayin that I think the styling is a little bit overdone for what kind of power it has. even the fact that the price is reletavly cheap for a lotus makes me wonder if we kinda got the bogus lotus, ya know? I'm sure the handling is great- and #2 in road and track's test is fairly impressive, but the American market is typically all about the power these days. Why do you think every 4 door sedan like the maxima is pushing around 250 horses or more? hahaha think about it! what happens to all that expensive weight savings when you put an obese American inside??? lol


Fiznat-This car is probably the best handling car in the world, bar-none.

If you've seen the magazine articles, the frame/suspension of the thing is a work of art-truly beautiful-everything is extruded aluminum and forged/cnc goodies abound. Looks like it was plucked right off of a race track. it's supposed to have some of the best balance and handling out of any other car---And when it was neck and neck with the 360 modena in that magazine, it had about 60 less horsepower.

It most definitely IS a supercar, simply because it KEEPS UP with supercars. So the styling is radical for us traditional americans--but it should be, because it's a very radical car, the essence of a sports-car in its truest form. No bs on that thing. 0-60 in 4.7 seconds is pretty impressive--0.2 seconds quicker than an '03 Porsche 911 Carrera.

I'm a FIRM believer in the advantages of a lightweight car.

My dad owns a 1960 Austin Healey sprite with a race-prepped Alfa Romeo 1.9 liter engine--the car weighs 1492 pounds with fluid and has about 190 wheel horsepower. Accelerates like a bat out of hell and is easily the best handling car I've ever been in-perfect 50/50 weight distribution. Lighter IS better.

I wonder if any of you have ever seen this pretty long (9-11 minutes, maybe) video of a race-prepped lotus-elise racing a Z06 Corvette on a VERY long track. Sure, the vette wastes it on the straightaway, as it should, but the second the track starts bending, the lotus is right on the vette's a s s and comes VERY close to passing it numerous times, and with about 1/2 the hp.

The thing that I don't like is that cars like the 1992 Honda Civic or CRX, which hover just around 2000 pounds for weight need only drop in one of the JDM spec 160 hp motors and they have a very fast car already. Too bad they'll still suck at handling.

Go lotus!

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you mean 60 percent less horsepower right? pleas say you do, that's scary to think of the elise putting down 390 or so...

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Mr1der wrote:you mean 60 percent less horsepower right? pleas say you do, that's scary to think of the elise putting down 390 or so...


I meant 60 less horsepower (130) versus the trim the lotus will come in for the U.S. (190 hp).

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oh ok, I thought you were comparing the power of the modena and elise, I read too fast...

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MarkEmark wrote:I wonder if any of you have ever seen this pretty long (9-11 minutes, maybe) video of a race-prepped lotus-elise racing a Z06 Corvette on a VERY long track. Sure, the vette wastes it on the straightaway, as it should, but the second the track starts bending, the lotus is right on the vette's a s s and comes VERY close to passing it numerous times, and with about 1/2 the hp.

Go lotus!


At one point, the lotus guy pulls up next to the corvette and waves--I think I've seen it before. :D

In Europe, there's a car called the Vaxaull X220 or something, and the Opel Speedster. You might have seen it in Gran Turismo 3. They could EASILY sell the Opel Speedster here as the new Fiero. It uses a GM Ecotec engine that's good to go in the US and it'd come out about the same price as a MR-S, and it's an Elise in disguise.

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yeah, too bad GM of AMERICA is run by a bunch of retarded monkeys:(


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