2002 Skyline GTR R34 Vspec-II vs 2002 BMW M5

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2002 Skyline GTR R34 Vspec-II vs 2002 BMW M5

Postby s14sr20det » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Who will win.

EDIT: Normal race ... 1/4 mile race .. both stock.2002 Skyline GTR R34 Vspec-II vs 2002 BMW M5 (both stock)


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Postby Repo Man » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

What kind of race? Skyline will own on a roadcourse, but I think the M5 has the edge in the drag. Stock for stock at least. Wouldn't take much to mod the Skyline to beat the M5.

Gotta be more specific man.

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Postby Rockenreno » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

This might depend on what they are winning? 1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed, auto-x, sytle, comfort?

I don't know the stats on the M5, though I surely wouldn't mind having one; yet Skyline just plain rocks so I am voting for it.

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Postby Repo Man » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

The M5 is an incredible machine. It has 400hp stock. The Skyline is underrated at 280hp. I would give my left one for either car.

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Postby AZhitman » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

repo man wrote:I would give my left one for either car.


Hell, I'd give both of mine - I don't use 'em anymore...

Although I like the look of the new M5 better than the new Skyline. I prefer the Skylines from the early 90's.

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Postby Repo Man » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

AZhitman wrote:Hell, I'd give both of mine - I don't use 'em anymore...

Although I like the look of the new M5 better than the new Skyline. I prefer the Skylines from the early 90's.


Hell yes, the R32 was money. It strikes me as more pure sports car than technological marvel. I like them all though. If I sold my 240, saved my duckets for a while and my damned mutual funds would get up out of the gutter I might be able to get an R32. That would be so sweet!

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Postby Sopdadope » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

I love both cars but I know from a fact the Skyline owns an M5 in every aspect of performance except 0-60 acceleration.

ACCELERATION:

0-60:5.2 seconds vs. 4.9 seconds (BMW)

1/4 mile12..9 vs. 13.9 (Skyline)

60mph-0 braking110 ft. vs. 118 ft. (Skyline)

Skidpad 0.89 vs. 0.92 (Skyline)

All in all, it's still pretty close. The BMW spots the Skyline nearly 300 lbs. and performance is so close that one needs test equipment to measure the difference. However, the Skyline is so responsive to tuning and an M5 does retail for twice as much as a Skyline would (in their respective countries). Skyline's a better real-world car but the M5 is the coolest and among the fastest 4-doors, period.

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Postby Sopdadope » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

AZhitman wrote:Hell, I'd give both of mine - I don't use 'em anymore...

Although I like the look of the new M5 better than the new Skyline. I prefer the Skylines from the early 90's.


LOL

I agree. The R34 looks cool but the a jet black R33 can't be touched... R32 looks slick too.

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Postby Sopdadope » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Not sure if I mentioned this before. But I rolled alongside a white R33 in Vegas last year. I rolled down the window to congratulate the guy on owning such a fine piece of automotive engineering but almost couldn't keep a straight face 'cuz I was driving a Chevy Cavalier (rental car). He then proceeded to launch the car like a scalded cat.

The guy's lucky I wasn't in my 240z, he would've been owned.

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Postby solid » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

hey i saw this video from the temple of vtec they got a stock 911 turbo with 420 horse power and a stock r34 and they ran them, the 911 pulled 12.450 and the skyline pulled 13.031.

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Postby Former_240_s14 » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

remember though the M5 is alot heavier and also ALL MOTOR!!! I know its your poll, but a more admirable opponent would be a 2k1 or higher M3. All motor they are pushin 333 horse, 262 ft.lbs torque, and a 13.3 quarter with a 0-60 time of 4.7. They will also out handle a skyline I think, but I have never driven the skyline.

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Postby Lsnaple » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

people like the skyline because its easily modded to insane numbers and be an extremely stron engine. most people dont know the skyline had to be ''detuned'' to meet japanese factory specifications.

there is an extremely sweet R32 on ebay right now. its pretty much stock, but sweet!

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Postby nismodave » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Who will win?

ME.....When I blow by both of those overpriced buckets of bolts!!

JK:D

M5 if they are both stock.

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Postby BB Turbo » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Dang, those are some impressive numbers from the both of them, but a 74 Civic hatch stock would own those two cars anyday, hands down.

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Postby Megaseth » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

the japanese government wont let cars be sold straight to the public if they have over 280 hp. i dont know how they can sell the special ones, i guess since the numbers are so low that they can get away with it. but a minor chip change will give you around 350hp from a stock skyline.

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Postby Redline240 » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Megaseth wrote:the japanese government wont let cars be sold straight to the public if they have over 280 hp. i dont know how they can sell the special ones, i guess since the numbers are so low that they can get away with it. but a minor chip change will give you around 350hp from a stock skyline.


It was never a law, and the government had nothing to do with it......it has been refered to as a "gentlemens agreement" made between car manufactures.....however, apparently the agreement is no more as of recent, so we may start to see some impressive numbers.....

Oh and the R34 is a dream on wheels, a truly amazing machine......if i had to choose another skyline it would only be the R33 V-Spec with the RB26DETT.....but i'd still rather the R34....but thats just me....

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Postby Sopdadope » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

I can't believe the strength of the RB26DETT motor. I've heard rumors of a japanese Skyline with a bored, re-sleeved motor putting out 1,450 horses and runs 7.9sec in the 1/4 on DOT tires!!! :eek:

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Postby wingzero » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

That's a skyline for ya. You guys should check out veilside drag R32 in this month's issue of super street, runs twin HKS Gt3540's, makes 8 sec. passes on street tires, I totally spooged my pants when I saw that thing.

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Postby Megaseth » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

a stock RB26DETT can hanlde like 600hp without any internal or major mods.

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Postby GodzillaFan » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Sopdadope wrote:I can't believe the strength of the RB26DETT motor. I've heard rumors of a japanese Skyline with a bored, re-sleeved motor putting out 1,450 horses and runs 7.9sec in the 1/4 on DOT tires!!! :eek:


there are no GTRs that run 7's on street tires.

and the rb26dett doesnt have sleeves....

check this guys car out. http://www.exvitermini.com Hes making about 1500 HP now. Tried to dyno it too... 6 ppl sitting on the car, +a bunch of straps tieing it down.. and it would still jump off a 4 wheel dyno... ON SLICKS

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Postby Sopdadope » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

GodzillaFan wrote:there are no GTRs that run 7's on street tires.

and the rb26dett doesnt have sleeves....


Like I said, they were just rumors.

I'm pretty sure this RB blocked was bored to like 2.8L or something like that. The cylinder walls were "sleeved" with specially-coated ductile iron. That part, I'm sure of.

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Postby Chally » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Quote »They will also out handle a skyline I think, but I have never driven the skyline.[/quote]NOT A CHANCE!!! Porsche HAD to build a special 4wd vehicle just to beat the Skyline.

The M5 was seen on the Nurburg Ring at the same time as the R34 Skyline & it smoked the skyline on the straights, then the Skyline left it sitting on the bends. I can't remember the time difference around the whole ring, but the Skyline was CONSIDERABLY faster, overall, than the M5!

I have driven a R33 V spec, under full steam, & they are AWESOME!!! ( the owner though so as well, & my dad :D) 100 mph in no time flat.Makes my Q feel like a bus.

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Postby Chally » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Quote »ACCELERATION:

0-60: 5.2 seconds vs. 4.9 seconds (BMW)[/quote]

Never seen a Skyline over 5 secs to 100KPH (62mph) & that's on Bad Aussie fuel.

Normally around the 4.8 secs. (I think they must've swapped the numbers to make the BM look good eh? :D)

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Postby Chally » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

They actually make up special cranks & add a spacer to the block to make up to the 3l mark. This is where the Sleeves come into play.

The easier way to do it is use the RB30 motor in the Aussie Commodore Turbo, & fit the twin cam head on. The block is taller.

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Postby Chally » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Quote »7.9sec in the 1/4 on DOT tires!!! [/quote]A 3.2L R33 just ran a 10.3 here on DOT tires. The Japs are way ahead of us though, but I don't know on the type of tires over there. Japs don't have the same regulations on tires as most of the world. Some even drive slicks on the road.(don't know what'd happen if they got caught :eek: )

Just uncovered some stats, the Japs use a HKS 2.8L bottom end kit to produce 7 second passes.The best I've seen from Japan, so far, is 9.7 secs on street tires at supposedly standard weight.

I'm sure I'll hear bigger & better as time goes by. :ylsuper

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Postby DenverQ » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

I would take the M5 personally It hauls *** and I could actually take people with me. ever seen the M5 video with madona?

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Postby nlzmo400r » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

FORMER_240_S14 u are defintely wrong about the m5 or m3 out handling the skyline, the r34 gtr would absolutely slaughter an m3 or m5, on a road course, the skyline would own an m3 and m5, in a straigh line, (1/4) yea, gotta give it to the more powerful m3, but either way, id take a skyline in a sec

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Postby GodzillaFan » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:FORMER_240_S14 u are defintely wrong about the m5 or m3 out handling the skyline, the r34 gtr would absolutely slaughter an m3 or m5, on a road course, the skyline would own an m3 and m5, in a straigh line, (1/4) yea, gotta give it to the more powerful m3, but either way, id take a skyline in a sec


actually, it would hand the m5 it's *** in a drag, too... highly underrated at 280hp, it can run high 12's stock... but who cares? its turbo. a few bolt ons and the m5 is just a spec

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Postby nlzmo400r » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

the stock runs of a r34 -gtr in the 1/4 was on best motoring and they pulled off consitant 12.4s and 12.5s, and u can be pretty sure these are very good drivers as well, and their average with the E36 m3 was 13.6, so its i stand corrected, thanx for metioning tho GODZILLA FAN

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Postby Former_240_s14 » Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:07 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:FORMER_240_S14 u are defintely wrong about the m5 or m3 out handling the skyline, the r34 gtr would absolutely slaughter an m3 or m5, on a road course, the skyline would own an m3 and m5, in a straigh line, (1/4) yea, gotta give it to the more powerful m3, but either way, id take a skyline in a sec


Like I said, I wouldn't know about handling when it comes the the skyline, but have you ever driven an M3 "2k1 or higher" at 120mph??? I have...

And for the 333 horse power and 400horse power that the M3 and M5 have.....I have seen the M3 hit high 12's in the 1/4 mile stock also. The M5 wouldn't be too far behind either!!

In set of turns...the M3 would come close, but I can imagine that an awd skyline would be a M5.


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