20 y/o with 0.47 BAC gets left at hospital.

[Looneybomber]

A 20-year-old Arizona State University student with a blood-alcohol level five times the legal limit was left at a Tempe hospital with a Post-it note attached to his body to alert doctors he had been in a drinking competition earlier in the night.

Tempe police Sgt. Michael Pooley said Aidan Mohr was found in a wheelchair between 1:00 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. Saturday in the emergency room lobby of St. Luke's Hospital.

Mohr had passed out and started shaking and turning blue before the student's fraternity brothers dropped him at the hospital with the note, "I've been drinking and I need some help," police said.

Pooley said the fraternity brothers tried taking the victim to one of their homes because they were afraid of getting into trouble with the police before deciding to go the emergency room.

Mohr consumed about 20 shots of tequila during a drinking competition earlier in the night, a police spokesman said. By the end of the night, the student's blood-alcohol level was 0.47 percent. The legal limit before a person is considered intoxicated in Arizona is 0.08 percent.

Mohr told Tempe police that he and his brothers belonged to the Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity.

It was not clear whether the drinking competition was at an official fraternity-sponsored event.

The spokesman said Mohr would be cited for consuming alcohol as a minor.

The police department was continuing its investigation and said more charges could be coming.

"When somebody is in a situation like this, they need to get emergency assistance to their friends," Pooley said. "I they don't, it is going to raise suspicion."

http://www.kctv5.com/story/22244705/asu ... 47-percent

I knew frat boys were douches, but com'on!

[themadscientist]

Those punks should look up the definition of "fraternity." You don't ditch your brother who needs your help to save your own gutless a**.

[Looneybomber]

Those punks should look up the definition of "fraternity." You don't ditch your brother who needs your help to save your own gutless a**.

Exactly! I thought they only objectified women, but still had a sense of "brotherhood". That kid came close to dying and I'm guessing if I had a BAC of 0.47, I would probably be dead. I've only once ever seen a person shake/convulse from drinking and he drank a lot! It's kinda scary to watch, and to think those guys would just leave him there with a sticky-note on him...

[themadscientist]

I don't place much value on these kids. They are often without moral compass and too young, to lacking in life experience to fully appreciate the results of their actions. This gets them into avoidable bad situations and stunts their chances of being wise enough to make bold course corrections. People that would have carried a person into the ER and take the heat to do everything they could to help are likely not ignorant enough to have engaged in the activity that led to that situation in the first place. Dumb begets dumb. What say you Colonel?

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[Bubba1]

Of course, no one mentions that when these frat kid's parents drank similar amounts when they were in college back in the 70's, instead of being horrified and revoking charters, society simply dismissed it as college hijinks.

[Looneybomber]

Of course, no one mentions that when these frat kid's parents drank similar amounts when they were in college back in the 70's, instead of being horrified and revoking charters, society simply dismissed it as college hijinks.

It's not just the qty of alcohol consumed, it's the fact the kid was abandoned with a sticky note on his shirt.

"Hey guys, our friend could die, but we don't want to get in trouble for drinking under age, so let's ditch him by a hospital and hope he gets help".

So that is what kind of values that frat instills? If so, suspend them or revoke the charter. There are some groups that are held to a higher standard than the general public; the military is one, the boy scouts are another, and any group touting brotherhood is included in that group. If you can't have some sort of integrity, then you're no different than Joe Blow on the street.

[themadscientist]

Being a scumbag is not a generationally-centered determination. If you pulled that s*** in the 70's you would have been a scumbag too. These ****s left a "brother" to possibly die rather than catch some heat for "hijinxs." No honor, no character, no brotherhood, no fraternity. You can bet if I was the dean I would expect the national chapter president on the phone immediately explaining to me why I shouldn't shut that whole house down and expel the perpetrators. If I was the latter you can bet I would have already made the call to the dean letting him know I was on the next flight smoking to that campus to clean up MY house.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I like to think I'm a pretty open-minded guy. But there are a few things my innate sense of judgement struggles to overlook. Willingly purchasing a Mitsubishi Lancer is one of those. Another is being a fraternity member. A few people from each group have acquitted themselves. Most have not.

[themadscientist]

[Jesda]

I'd have shoved my fingers down his throat to induce vomiting.

I don't know if that's safe, but I know if I was that drunk I'd do my best to unload the contents of my stomach if I could.

I like to think I'm a pretty open-minded guy. But there are a few things my innate sense of judgement struggles to overlook. Willingly purchasing a Mitsubishi Lancer is one of those. Another is being a fraternity member. A few people from each group have acquitted themselves. Most have not.

[nissangirl74]

Everyone of the frat brothers who didn't want to take him to the hospital for fear of getting in trouble should be expelled for being a bunch of pvssies. They were lucky the kid didn't die. If he had, their actions (or lack of), could have constituted a manslaughter charge (at least). If he ends up with permanent brain damage, they could still be charged with negligence in the very least. I have zero sympathy for drunks and their stupidity. You want sympathy? It's between s*** and syphilis in the dictionary. Happy hunting.

[elwesso]

I was part of a fraternity in college, and honestly I *hate* it when things like this come up because it puts a bad name on fraternities in general. While some fraternities are DEFINITELY like that, the one I was a part of is not. Anyone who has met me would know I'm not a typical "fraternity guy" (except for maybe the keg stand in Carlisle ). I know that if that had happened in my house, we would have definitely kicked those members out of the house. First of all, as a good brother you'd never let someone do that to themselves in the first place, however if things get did get out of hand, our brothers would have been there by his side.

Realistically, it makes no difference if they were part of a fraternity or not, the people that took him there are horrible friends.

[Bubba1]

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Realistically, it makes no difference if they were part of a fraternity or not, the people that took him there are horrible friends.

This^.

[Dattebayo]

Some schools have rigorous charters for their social fraternities that do not allow for official frat sponsored parties involving alcohol, but they do it anyway because social frats have little value other than for drinking (or if your major is business, lol), IMO... This is mostly for on-campus frats, but there are other rules for those associated with the school but not on campus as well. I can only imagine that they were trying to keep their charter from being revoked by dropping the guy off at the hospital instead of hanging around. Proof that alcohol in extreme excess makes people really damn stupid...

If you want to have a meaningful fraternity experience, join a service frat. You will most likely avoid douches like this.

[elwesso]

Some schools have rigorous charters for their social fraternities that do not allow for official frat sponsored parties involving alcohol, but they do it anyway because social frats have little value other than for drinking (or if your major is business, lol), IMO... This is mostly for on-campus frats, but there are other rules for those associated with the school but not on campus as well. I can only imagine that they were trying to keep their charter from being revoked by dropping the guy off at the hospital instead of hanging around. Proof that alcohol in extreme excess makes people really damn stupid...

This couldn't be further from the truth. EVERY national fraternity (social or professional) prohibits drinking for under age people, and all of them abide by what's called FIPG risk management.. Google it if you care. There's lots of guidelines like you can only have a 6-pack per night, drinking needs to be monitored by a sober individual, so on and so forth. Having a common source of alcohol, be it multiple cases in a place where anyone can get to it, kegs, handles of booze, etc, are ALL prohibited.

Of course, having those regulations in place really means nothing, because at the end of the day regardless of if their house has greek letters on it or not, it was still a house full of unsupervised kids with access to alcohol..... When I was in school, there were far more SEVERE cases of people going to the hospital due to alcohol from people who lived in off campus apartments, or even people that lived in the dorms.

You're kind of right (by accident) by saying that on-campus fraternities kind of play by different rules than off-campus fraternities, but that's simply because they own their own property and the school does not have legal authority to appear unannounced on property that isn't theirs.

Not to be anecdotal, but my fraternity was and typically has been mostly engineers. My Jr. year the valedictorian of the whole school was in my fraternity, and our average GPA was right around 3.0 my entire career, and again most of us were engineers or scientists.

CLEARLY these kids were not looking out for the good of the fraternity by ditching one of their brothers. Realistically, if the kid had died they would have been in a FAR WORSE situation, both personally and in the fraternity, by ditching him rather than staying with him. Having a Minor Consumption charge is a heck of a lot better than being legally tied to someone who died.

Here's what I get upset about... These guys that ditched their friend at the hospital are sh1tty friends.. These folks just so happened to be in a fraternity. In my opinion, the two shouldn't be linked because they really aren't connected. Even if you wanted to claim that they were connected, it should only reflect bad on that group of guys at that school, not all fraternities in general.

[Rager]

i agree with pretty much everyone has said here, but s*** that kid was lucky enough to have at least one person with a brain and said lets bring him to the hospital. this story could be the exact oppisite, " teen dies at frat party because brothers were scared to bring him to the hospital"

soo the glass is half full, the kid lived, the "brothers" hopefully learned a real lesson in life and maybe there is something good to come out of this story...........

[Dattebayo]

This couldn't be further from the truth. EVERY national fraternity (social or professional) prohibits drinking for under age people, and all of them abide by what's called FIPG risk management.. Google it if you care. There's lots of guidelines like you can only have a 6-pack per night, drinking needs to be monitored by a sober individual, so on and so forth. Having a common source of alcohol, be it multiple cases in a place where anyone can get to it, kegs, handles of booze, etc, are ALL prohibited.

Nope, not further from the truth. But whatever, it's not that it really matters. The agreement is often different for each school.

You're kind of right (by accident) by saying that on-campus fraternities kind of play by different rules than off-campus fraternities, but that's simply because they own their own property and the school does not have legal authority to appear unannounced on property that isn't theirs.

Off campus rules are less subject to school policies because of the property issue. It's true. Again, this can depend on the school, but most chapters of my old frat were off campus because of the extra headache being on would cause. Anyway...

[Jesda]

I don't understand the fraternity thing and never will. I don't often call anyone "brother" who isn't my brother. I refer to non-familial companions as "friends."


It's one of many Western traditions I'm baffled by, but whatever.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I don't understand the fraternity thing and never will. I don't often call anyone "brother" who isn't my brother. I refer to non-familial companions as "friends."


It's one of many Western traditions I'm baffled by, but whatever.

You're not alone. I'm all for camaraderie, but the need to formalize it is weird.

[themadscientist]

I don't understand the fraternity thing and never will. I don't often call anyone "brother" who isn't my brother. I refer to non-familial companions as "friends."


It's one of many Western traditions I'm baffled by, but whatever.

[300ZXttZMAN]

Everyone of the frat brothers who didn't want to take him to the hospital for fear of getting in trouble should be expelled for being a bunch of pvssies. They were lucky the kid didn't die. If he had, their actions (or lack of), could have constituted a manslaughter charge (at least). If he ends up with permanent brain damage, they could still be charged with negligence in the very least. I have zero sympathy for drunks and their stupidity. You want sympathy? It's between s*** and syphilis in the dictionary. Happy hunting.

This is what I was thinking... There is a time when you have to just man the hell up and make sure your friend stays alive... I can't believe they just dropped him off with a damn sticky note... If he would have died they would have wished they just got a little ticket. I think the people that dropped him off should be charged with something.

[AZ89two4Tsx]

As an active fraternity brother at ASU (not in SAE) I can say that none of my brothers would do this to me if I was in the same situation. I know the ASU chapter of SAE has had some trouble in the past few semesters, but they are actually a good group of guys.

THAT BEING SAID, I am friends with quite a few SAE kids and would like to shed some light on what ACTUALLY happened. This was posted by the kid admitted to the hospital on his Facebook the other day...



Fraternities have gotten a bad rep lately at ASU. The false information provided by the media is a big part of that. Another contributing factor is that all fraternity housing has been kicked off campus for a few years now. This has led to less control over the organization as a whole by the IFC and school administration overall. That, coupled with the locals of Tempe who do not attend ASU has led to some pretty bad stuff happening lately.