2 different bottom intake manifold. Need opinions, *pic*

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Hey guys, so I am in the process of gathering maintenance parts for my engine swap for my 2001 with vq35de. For those that dont know I am putting in a used engine, the used engine is from a japanese rhd model qx4/pathfinder.

I just noticed they have different intake manifolds. If youve taken off your vq35 intake manifolds off before, youll know there are "power valve" butterflies (6 of them) in a row right under the UPPER intake manifold, but also if you take off the upper and middle intake manifold, there is a bottom manifold. Well that bottom manifold is different on my JDM engine compared to my factory USA engine.

The old engine has butterflies built into the lowest intake manifold aswell, and a "plunger" on the front of the manifold that ties into those butterflies and must open them based on vacuum?? Well the JDM manifold has no butterflies and no plunger. Heres a pic of the plunger and you can see the butterflies. The vacuum line you see connects to the picture below this (red line)

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Right now I have the jdm version still bolted to the engine, I am hoping I can use it and it wont make any difference, really would just like to know it isnt going to cause any driveability issues. The only issue I see is the vacuum source that ran from the "plunger" that tied all the bottom butterflies, the vacuum line runs to the back of the "black box". Would I just cap that line. This pic shows where the vac line would come from the bottom manifold, and plug into the back of the unit.

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Do you guys think it would be any problem using the version without the bottom butterflies? im not quite sure why they are needed


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Man you got me stumped! but am interested in learning so i will do some looking around tomorrow. I remember reading somewhere that when you buy the jdm engine that you should replace everything. Meaning put everything from the original engine onto the jdm engine. I would take the jdm intake off and put your factory intake on, then the same with the rest of the parts, and so on.

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Yeah i did spend a few days tranferring everything,brackets, coolant pipes, oil cooler pies, power steering, a/c. I also openned the JDM engine up and changed the valve cover gaskets, loc tit'd the power valve screws, new pcv. I did not notice that the jdm lowest intake was different (that one didnt have to come off) until I had it all back together.

Id prefer not to re-use my stock one if I dont have to, as it was extremely dirty and I also used the copper spray a gasket one time on it to make a seal so that stuff is caked on the flanges.

The jdm intake still has the power valves in the middle intake manifold, so Im not sure if this would cause a different, the only thing that the lowest butterflies are connected to is that vacuum line I pictured, no wiring or anything.

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You have a manual trans engine, no oil cooler and no power valves. Swirl valves are still present. I don't know whether a code will be thrown if you use your A/T ECU (probably will be).

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Thanks for the reply, ya I have to swap over my oil cooler (waiting on those o-rings)

What makes you think the car would know to throw a code? I could see if there was electrical connections to the bottom butterflies, but its really only run by that one vacuum line coming off the black box I pictured.

Maybe Im just trying to justify my mistake, wish i noticed before I torqued down on all my fresh gaskets

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I guess it wouldn't throw a code after all, I just searched the EC section of the FSM for "power valve" and found only description and diagnosis procedures, no mention of any relation to an engine code.

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I really appreciate your help as always Town, your help and knowledge around here is a huge help, your ability the scour the fsm amazes me. Not to come off as "e-gay" or anything, but thank you

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You're quite welcome. Sorry I haven't been as active as I used to be.

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Life happens eh :cool: im curious if the car will even know the butterflies arent there

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I guess the only way to find out is to try! I don't think anybody has ever done it before and/or reported their experiences.

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From what I've read and figured out is that you are going to need that part for your A/T to function properly. I guess it goes back to swap everything. Maybe you can clean them up with a wire wheel? I would also check into,
"Another difference would be where the flywheel bolts on to the engine. Manual transmission has a pilot bushing while an auto has a pilot converter."
That has me curious because he's saying one is a bushing and the other is a converter.

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I'll have to go look better but the first time I looked at the flywheels and cracnkshaft snout both looked the same. But I had to remove the flywheel from the new engine to mount it on a stand, but the old engine is still attached.

I'll take a closer look, really hope there is no difference :spitout:

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No difference at all between crankshaft size/bore/step, and the flywheels are exactly the same, I dont see anything that would impede me bolting up my auto transmission

Ive never tried to line it all up actually before though either when bolting the engine and trans back together. Not looking forward to that part at all, by myself most likely

My courtesynissan shipment of hoses and gaskets doesnt look like its getting deliverred today either, UPS tracking shows it just arrived at a location 3 hours away, and its 5pm on a friday :( :poke:


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