1st drift car

[VaderSX]

Hey Guys, I am 16 am looking for a car. I love drifting and am a big fan nissans, but other imports are amazing. NE ideas on a first car i could get for around 5000 dollars and maybe what the best mods to try first besides a limited slip diff. PLZ help me.

[mmatl16]

dude with 5k and a little patience you can be a swapped 240

[Fromxtor]

just purchased a '90 240sx HB with a KA24E planning on a 20 swap any suggestions on oem interior replacement

[mmatl16]

just purchased a '90 240sx HB with a KA24E planning on a 20 swap any suggestions on oem interior replacement

1st- why would u post this here and not in 240 gen chat?2nd-20 swap what...s13sr20det swap, s14, s15, rb20det?3rd-junk yards or nissan dealerships

[93180sxredtop]

Hey Guys, I am 16 am looking for a car. I love drifting and am a big fan nissans, but other imports are amazing. NE ideas on a first car i could get for around 5000 dollars and maybe what the best mods to try first besides a limited slip diff. PLZ help me.

Honda civic with vtec thats the way to go!!!!!!!!

[VaderSX]

i wnat my 240 to be a honda killer and i cant drift in a honda. Even. if i could it woul dbe gay!!!

[Joe]

misguided youth of today...why do you want it to be a honda killer? because hondas are gay? there is a BIG difference between HONDA and the idiots who put body kits, wings, and altezzas on their car. dont blame a manufacturer because the majority of people who modify them are idiots.

if you get a 240 please promise that you will not drift till you have completed a HPDE (high performance driver education) class at a major racetrack. you will learn more than you can handle in 1 day. and do NOT DRIFT ON THE STREET. drifting is already getting a bad wrap because of these idiots doing it nightly.

[tonis56]

misguided youth of today...why do you want it to be a honda killer? because hondas are gay? there is a BIG difference between HONDA and the idiots who put body kits, wings, and altezzas on their car. dont blame a manufacturer because the majority of people who modify them are idiots.

Completely agree. That comment is just too broad

[93180sxredtop]

joe why do defend honda's so pasionately(sp?) i know you have/had one or two but we talk about drifting and we are on a nissan board and everytime someone or me say f honda or that guy stupid for doing that to a honda you are the first one to defend them? why is that?

[sil beer s13]

You should buy like a 200xs or an altima something reliable like a new corolla or camry those are good cars.

[xero1]

for 5k you can build a toyota ae86 with a 4agze supercharger engine swap from japan or find a 240 with a blown up engine, that what i did, i got about 5k in my 240, but 5k dosen't include labor. check my pix http://www.cardomain.com/ride/809429

[Project S13]

There are several nice RWD vehicles you can pick up for that price...where I see 'em anyway.

That would be:

Nissan 240sx - probably only s13 as s14's are still fairly valuable and can go for more than 5k. KA has good torque for learning, SR and other swaps yield good potential also. Lots of tuning support.

Mazda RX7 FC - Spinning Triangle Drifts rock. The rotary benefits from a driver willing to learn a bit about rotary mechanics and maintenance. These cars have low torque but can rev to 8 or 9K with ease if they're in good shape. The Turbo II is a fun choice.

AE86 Corolla - Lower power and torque, better revs than 240. These take some skill to learn from what I've heard, but until Initial: D mania struck they weren't too expensive. You may still find some old couple that own one and will sell for cheap haha. These cars need lots of maintenance as they're older than most, but a low mileage engine can fix that. The supercharged 4ag as well as the 20 valve are swap options.

These are my 3 favorites. I also love to see MR2 SW20s sliding it around out there but I hear MR's need some quick hands and finesse to control. I'd like to try drifting one sometime. Don't know what to say about thier tuning options.

[jiinkz]

I'll field this one.

Its because you sound silly and childish when you sit and bash on one make or another. Every "tuner" car has it place in the market, and honestly, I don't think you realize the true potential that there is in a Honda to be able to do well in circuit racing or drag racing. Now, I'm not trying to turn this into a honda vs nissan thread or anything of the sort, but, I wonder where your hatred towards hondas comes, or if it is more towards the many people who make unnecessary or "ricer" mods to their cars. If this is the case, then point your anger towards Nissans, Hondas, Mitsubishis, Fords, Chevys...the list goes on and on as there are many "ricers" in every community.

[214kka-et240sx]

I'll field this one.

Its because you sound silly and childish when you sit and bash on one make or another. Every "tuner" car has it place in the market, and honestly, I don't think you realize the true potential that there is in a Honda to be able to do well in circuit racing or drag racing. Now, I'm not trying to turn this into a honda vs nissan thread or anything of the sort, but, I wonder where your hatred towards hondas comes, or if it is more towards the many people who make unnecessary or "ricer" mods to their cars. If this is the case, then point your anger towards Nissans, Hondas, Mitsubishis, Fords, Chevys...the list goes on and on as there are many "ricers" in every community.

if hondas can do what you said about them , then why didn't you get one if they are better made cars than nissan. i am not tring to fight here, just wondering why , cuz you do defend them, and plus you really have to put lots of money on a honda , for example , like a 99 civic SI . the car cost like 10,000 $ . to be like a s2k , you need another 5000 or more just to be at that level, were as a 240sx , even sohc, cost like around 500 to 1500, put on a DIY turbo kit or even like a made turbo kit for around 2000, and be faster than a civic plus a s2k for under 5000$. or maybe swap a SR for like 2000$. hondas are nice looking car(some)and some could be fast , but nissan are more of performance cars than a honda , plus you always see hondas at the junkyard than nissan, it's cuz they dont last long.

[mmatl16]

^ didnt you get banned

[masticatingcow]

First of all, welcome to NICO, VaderSX. You too, fromxtor.

VaderSX, $5000 is a solid budget. Speaking from the perspective of a loyal Nissan owner, one route is to get yourself a S13, which will probably be a hatchback, but I would recommend a notchback (coupe) if you can find it. You shouldn't have to spend more than a couple grand on the car if everything works like it should, and less if there are minor problems. Get it running right and then spend the rest of your budget on suspension and drivetrain parts, namely a good set of coilovers or shocks and springs, at least a VLSD, though you CAN drift an open differential, and if you still have some money left over, grab yourself an aftermarket driver's seat. That'll get you in the door with a car to drift for a while.

Of course, there are other possibilities... you can get a Mazda RX7 (FC3S, the second gen model) which, if you find a turbo version, comes with almost everything you need to drift or autocross or whatever. Great weight distribution, VLSD stock, good power and SMOOTH power delivery. You could also grab an older RWD Corolla, but those are getting REALLY hard to find in decent shape. But if you want to stick with Nissan, you'll have a tough time beating the S13. The S14 is a sweet car too, but it's a little more expensive. It really comes down to your sense of style. Do you want a Nissan that people will confuse for a Ford Probe or a Toyota Camry?

Hope this helps and again, welcome!

[masticatingcow]

if hondas can do what you said about them , then why didn't you get one if they are better made cars than nissan. i am not tring to fight here, just wondering why , cuz you do defend them

Shut the hell up, 214kka-et240sx. All you ever do is try to start fights, and this arbitrary Honda hate parade is getting old. Besides, we've already established that your posts are worthless and no one likes you.

[jiinkz]

Allow me to disect.

if hondas can do what you said about them , then why didn't you get one if they are better made cars than nissan. i am not tring to fight here, just wondering why , cuz you do defend them, and plus you really have to put lots of money on a honda , for example , like a 99 civic SI . the car cost like 10,000 $ . to be like a s2k , you need another 5000 or more just to be at that level,

The first car that I drove competitively in autocross and in circuit racing was a 95 integra LS. Mods that i did included progress springs, a set of GSR wheels with Azenis Sports, cold air intake, header and exhaust. For a car that i got for 2600 bucks and put about 1k in mods, drove daily and tracked weekly, it did more than i'd ever expect from any of my nissans.Quote » were as a 240sx , even sohc, cost like around 500 to 1500, put on a DIY turbo kit or even like a made turbo kit for around 2000, and be faster than a civic plus a s2k for under 5000$. or maybe swap a SR for like 2000$.[/quote]no doubt that for the money you can get cheap s-chassis cars, and again i wont argue that they can be very potent and "fast" but, to get them to handle nearly as good as my integra did, it requires much more work and money than I was into my honda at. Quote » hondas are nice looking car(some)and some could be fast , but nissan are more of performance cars than a honda , plus you always see hondas at the junkyard than nissan, it's cuz they dont last long. [/quote]The reason a car is in a junk yard is not because it doesn't last, or blows up for the most part, it is because it has been wrecked and an insurance company has bought the car from the customer or such. If there are more cars of a specific type on the road, there are naturally more cars of that type in junk yards.

[Joe]

joe why do defend honda's so pasionately(sp?) i know you have/had one or two but we talk about drifting and we are on a nissan board and everytime someone or me say f honda or that guy stupid for doing that to a honda you are the first one to defend them? why is that?

Jiinkz pretty much nailed it but ill add this

I defend them because ignorance from 1 nissan owner makes everyone look stupid when nobody speaks the truth. i defend hondas the same as i defend nissans on honda-tech.

[Joe]

and plus you really have to put lots of money on a honda , for example , like a 99 civic SI . the car cost like 10,000 $ . to be like a s2k , you need another 5000 or more just to be at that level, were as a 240sx , even sohc, cost like around 500 to 1500, put on a DIY turbo kit or even like a made turbo kit for around 2000, and be faster than a civic plus a s2k for under 5000$. or maybe swap a SR for like 2000$. hondas are nice looking car(some)and some could be fast , but nissan are more of performance cars than a honda ,

not true at all, lets take a 199x civic EX. you can pick the car up for a reasonable price (little more than a 240) put a DIY turbo kit on the single cam in there and easily make 200whp for 1/2 the cost of a B series swap. more power than a B series, matcing the power of the all mighty SR swap in a platform that can weigh 500+ pounds less.

Quote »plus you always see hondas at the junkyard than nissan, it's cuz they dont last long. [/quote]way wrong, there are 10X the amount of hondas on the road than nissans so more are going to wind up in junkyards. honda makes some of the most reliable cars on the road, thats why their resale value is so high. this is why ignorance makes everyone look bad. stereotypical responses from someone who dosent know better.

[214kka-et240sx]

jiinkz i wasnt tring to fight with you so don't take this the wrong way.

masticatingcow, just hates me cuz my car is fatser than his lol. hey bro calm your a$$ down i aint fight no one ok

i neversaid hondas couldnt be fast.

vaderSX just wants help from us, but ppl like MASTICATINGCOW wanna fight everyone. so calm down manplus , why you say everybody hates me what i do for that reason.

[Liquidus]

Hey masticating cow, what type of seat do you recommend on that small of a budget. I'm trying to find one for my car but i've heard they all eliminate too much head and leg room due to the small size of the original seats.

Kinda off topic but just wondered what you sugested.

Thanks

[jiinkz]

any aftermarket seat is going to be better than the factory garbage.personally i suggest sidemount seatsthat are not reclinable.any bucket seat is going to hold you in the best...

if on a budget and of small structure look into maybe chargespeed seatsor veilside actually makes very well priced seats and are made of kevlar, wheee

take a look on intensepower.com, there is a good listing of the seats there.

[masticatingcow]

masticatingcow, just hates me cuz my car is fatser than his lol. hey bro calm your a$$ down i aint fight no one ok... ppl like MASTICATINGCOW wanna fight everyone

... right.

Anyway, about the seats, you'll want to make sure that you check with the manufacturer about the seat mounts. The S chassis has this oddly-placed hump right under the driver's seat. This causes universal mounts to sit higher than stock, which means while your body may be better supported, you'll be lucky if you can cram your head and (hopefully) helmet in there without scraping the headliner. This is a HUGE reason most aftermarket seats cramp the driver. Obviously, since you're literally sitting higher, your head clearence suffers, but also, the space between your knees and steering wheel collapses. Just something to consider.

Two brands I know of right off the top of my head who make seats that actually fit the S chassis are Bride and JIC. Yeah, they're both pretty expensive, but you can count on them fitting right the first time, and used, they aren't a bad deal at all, especially JIC. Retrofiting other aftermarket seats is a major pain, unless you're trying to mount other OEM Nissan seats, like the Skyline buckets for example. Then it's only a minor pain.

I agree with jiinks, any aftermarket bucket will hold you better than stock, but if you plan on street driving the car, a fixed incline seat may be a little excessive. Don't get me wrong, for stability and safety, a fixed seat is the best way to go, but for comfort and versatility in a non-exclusively track situation (i.e. the occasional weekend drift/drag/autocross), an aftermarket recliner will do the job just as well without sarcrificing the creature "comforts" your OEM bucket provides.

Hope this helps!

[masticatingcow]

To elaborate on the budget of $5000...

1. S13 240sx 89-93 = $2000. Wait until one comes up this cheap. Anyone asking more either has a modded car or is trying to rip you off.2. Coilovers = variable. SPLParts has a good set of entry-level coilovers called KTS Coilovers. Last I checked, they were less than $1100 brand stinking new.3. LSD = variable. You can go the used VLSD route and spend under $300 for a differential or get a new mechanical differential for around $1000. For our intents and purposes, we'll assume everyone has equal access to the KAAZ 2-Way LSD, which I've never seen retail for more than like $900-950.

So, assuming we found an S13 is decent shape for $2000, and that we installed an $1100 set of KTS coilovers, and dropped in a KAAZ 2-Way LSD for about $900, that leaves us with a little over $1000 to spend on a seat. $1000 for a seat is a LOT of money... Bride seats (which are UBER expensive, IMHO) start around half that, so finding a used seat or fabbing up rails for an R32 seat (which is not only doable, but has been done quite a bit) is definately within reach.

What if we went with a VLSD? That saves us almost $700, which is money that can go to getting the car running right from the start, along with the money we didn't need for the seat. Remember, you can get a really good seat that'll fit the right way for a lot less than $1000.

Strut tower bars, sway bars, etc. etc. are pretty easy to find, and I would say they wouldn't cost so much that they make a significant dent in the remaining "maintenance" budget.

So with a $5000 budget, and if we can avoid the insistance that power mods be the first we make, we have ourselves a SOLID drift machine that'll last a good long time.
Modified by masticatingcow at 10:23 AM 6/3/2005

[jiinkz]

just to expand on what masticating cow said about the seats, many of the sparco seats which are side mount, with the exception of the evoL and evoXL will work with the bride seat rails.

The seat rails is the main problem with most seats on the schassis cars.

And as far as daily driving with a bucket seat, i did it for almost a year in my bride, and im not a skinny man.

[93180sxredtop]

not a skinny man is an understatement!!!! lol j/k jiinks we love ya !

about the seat i just installed my seat two days ago and found out that any side mounted seat with a little fabercation will fit on the stock sliders without pushing the seat too far up that you will hit the roof i can take pic of what i did if you want to see but if you have a welder that you can use or know someone with one you can make it work!!

[masticatingcow]

Definately. A pic would be great.

EDITED FOR COMPREHENSION
Modified by masticatingcow at 12:24 AM 6/4/2005

[93180sxredtop]

damnit i went outside and took a bunch of pics and now i cant find my upload cable ill keep looking man!!!!!!

[s14brent]

and the idiots who put body kits, wings, and altezzas on their car.

i guess need altezzas to fill in the requirements for the idiot position