1994 Q45 Owners - new factory crate motor

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Anyone interested in a New FACTORY crate motor - available from a shipping / salvage co. Looks like they got paid by insurance for some shipping damage.

LONG BLOCK only.

Water Neck is cracked. Im lead to beleive its a bolt on part, and if you have a motor, no biggie.

Whats it worth?

Post by **DAEDALUS** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

We're familiar with the motor you're talking about. It was on ebay several times. I think the highest bid it got was just over $800 from someone on this forum. I'd pay more a 1st gen longblock personally.

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

It's a good buy IF:

a) you're doing the swap yourselfb) you have all the peripherals and accessories on another enginec) you have time to do it right.

For the cost of that engine and a lot of your time, you could have a zero-mileage Q45.

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

My thoughts exactly AZ .....

I thought it was worth far more - if that was a 91 - id be emailing that guy like crazy, and bet FORECAST would have near killed for that kinda moto for a Gen 1 long block.

Jeez the new heads are worht far more than that arent they?

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Yep.

If I had a $G laying around, I'd buy it for a "rainy day" when Quella needs a transplant.

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

I may just buy that for a rainy day when a NICO member needs one ....

Post by **AZhitman** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Could be a wise investment in someone's future.

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Im here to help dawg ..... pay for my new motor that is ... LOL

:-)

Im a patient person ... kinda.

Post by **90Q45blue** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

SoCal,

Have you checked out http://www.car-part.com yet? There is a treasure chest of used Q parts there. I'm sure if you're patient and persistent you can find all the parts you need in fairly good condition.

Nick

P.S. E-mail me at [email protected]. I need to talk to you about your project

Post by **forecast** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

SOCAL91Q45a wrote:My thoughts exactly AZ .....

I thought it was worth far more - if that was a 91 - id be emailing that guy like crazy, and bet FORECAST would have near killed for that kinda moto for a Gen 1 long block.

Jeez the new heads are worht far more than that arent they?

yep. I rebuilt my Q before I'd heard of NICO. NICO would have cut the time in half. (mainly because I would have bought Fred's motor)

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Wooo hooo

Just so future thread searchers read this .....

http://www.infinitipartsusa confirms that 90-96 BLOCK, [MOST IMPORTANT .... ], RODS, PISTONS, Crankshaft Assembly, Bearings [shortblock] is the same mfg'r part numbers from nissan.

So for those searching for Q45 engine motor rebuilding info - here's some good news.

Post by **Q45tech** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Fred and I discussed this option months ago, but other than the feeling of having a brand new 94-95 block/heads, what is the point when you can get a decent 30-50 k engine for a little more.

By the time you deal with exhaust manifolds, gaskets, broken parts, oil pump pickup and pan, fuel injector rails, ignition coils transistor drivers, the plenum, the gaskets, the harnesses, the water jackets, all new hoses we calculated it would add 12 hours plus maybe $500 or about $1300-$1500 over and above the average 94-95 swap.I emailed the owner a $850 bid the last time calculating $300 in freight. Since we can get all the COMPLETE 94-95 engines we want for $1300-$1400 delivered to T3 with a guarantee.

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

"but other than the feeling of having a brand new 94-95 block/heads,"

If you had seen my buddy's face the morning I met him, and that rod started knocking - after taking the path you describe above, cuz he got some other guys tattered nightmare - perhaps you'd understand ... You said it yourself, you hate to see peeps CRY, when their motor takes a dump and totals the car.

Im not saying this move was for everyone - I mean who else has a business partner who loves to build race car engines, has a 5 acre property in the nearby desert, a metal building that holds 10 cars, a lift, every tool practically needed, and the lux of not needing to have the car back anytime soon. Its a project car that I can take my time with, and tinker with, and tweek out on. It will be in the shop, but will not be "on the clock" at $80+ an hr.

And again .... I dont recall ANYONE offering me advice on where to get a COMPLETE 91 motor delivered to my door for anywhere NEAR $1400 with a guarantee. I specifically asked for a tip on that and that went unanswered, so I figured after talking to ATK and a few other similar locations:

1. I wouldnt get the LUX of being able to peep at the motor and reject it if it was junk.

2. Got no where near $1400 delivered to CA.

So I kinda feel perhaps maybe thats not a fair comparison. Additionally, many of the used motor warrantees are only good if a certain SHOP or dealer does the swap?

I will feel DAMN good about brand new internals, I dont want some other jokers neglected bottom end, and be crying on this forum again in 25k .... my buddy got 18k out of that path, im not down with that.

For lots of people this wouldnt have been the best approach, I do see your point - especially from a cost standpoint and guaranty standpoint, but I feel good about the score. I was either going to get that motor, and convert and swap, or ..... another motor like you suggest AND then new bottom end internals and rebuild that, and swap again and have a spare. Im dumb like that.

It wasnt 100% about the money - obviously. No one here is too concerned about that - else they'd NOT own a Gen 1-2 Q eh? :-) Some people have boats, harley's Corvette's , airplanes etc ..... I got a 1991 Q45"a" - perhaps for me that "a" is for "anal retentive" - but damn it - im enjoying it so dont tinkle on my parade ! :-)

"what is the point when you can get a decent 30-50 k engine for a little more."

I beleive you discussed the RAREITY of "decent" / "good" take out motors these days. I think this was worth a few extra bucks.

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

I was planning on using the 1991 Heads off my existing motor so .....

By the time you deal with "

exhaust manifolds - existing 91 with 91 heads wont work?broken parts - waterneck from 1991 should swap no?oil pump pickup and pan, - samefuel injector rails - one would assume these trx as wellignition coils transistor drivers - i will reasearch thisthe plenum - expecting to trxthe gaskets - ok - ya got me thereharnesses - im expecting to use existingwater jackets - unsureall new hoses - likely done either way

we calculated it would add 12 hours plus maybe $500 "

So you guys looked at it from the angle of using the 1994 heads?

"I emailed the owner a $850 bid the last time calculating $300 in freight."

If this is the same guy - i beleive it is, interestingly enough, thats "exactly" what I paid for it delivered to San Diego terminal.

Post by **DAEDALUS** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Best of luck in your mission. I get the feeling you won't be short on energy!

I think I agree with most if not all of your reasoning--since the short blocks are the same, remove the heads, bolt on your reworked ones, and off you go (to pursue other rejuvenation work).

Head rework is a freakin nightmare on a Q if you do it by factory methods and specs. I took an engine rebuilding class earlier this year. The instructor was an ASE master tech of 19 years. Each lab period, I'd go in, manual in hand, to show him specs and procedures, and to ask him questions. He didn't think a lot of it could be done, and he was certain most of it *wouldn't* be done by any typical shop or even dealership. Case in point--check out the procedure for replacing valve guides. It's a lot different than the "take an air hammer to them and be done in 5 minutes" approach.

Post by **liff** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Is that 1994 crate motor still available ? Plaes advise who has it if still out there ? By the way, I have a used replacement motor in one of my vehicles. All that is guaranteed is the short block from seizing for one year or 12000 miles. None of the peripherals as in injectors , sensors etc are covered. As soon as they got it in it needed injectors and knock sensors not covered. the irony is if i blew it up they would replace it for free-- but I will tell you one thingthe shop that di the work would never do another if mine bit the dust under waranteeInfinity motor replacement except

Post by **liff** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Message for Forecast--please send me an email address please r j liff[email protected]

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

The New never run [0] mile heads are available for sale

Post by **liff** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

Att Socal : the new heads--are they all there is --what about injectors ?

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

it was a long block minus the accessories..... what I bought. Im transferring all my old componenets that will transfer, and putting new sensors, hoses and misc goodies, and gaskets when i do it. So yes - just the heads are available.

Post by **joe dirt** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

quote "Since we can get all the COMPLETE 94-95 engines we want for $1300-$1400 delivered to T3 with a guarantee." if engines are this cheap ,why do i keep hearing 5-6k $ for the swap, is there that much mark up?

Post by **SOCAL91Q45a** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

I think they go thru them pretty well with new hoses, sensors and misc stuff .... adds up real quick - then you add massive shop labor, and the inevitable Chain guide replacement

Post by **elwesso** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

That is the key...... you dont wanna just throw in an engine without making sure everyhting that can be done is........

Labor is almost cut in half when the engine is out of the car.... If it were me, Id have the engine shipped somewhere where I could do the replacement of everything, and then have a shop put it in...... That, IMO, would be the best way....... Youd probably save about 1500 in parts and labor (labor is free and cheap parts from Joe)

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

joe dirt wrote:quote "Since we can get all the COMPLETE 94-95 engines we want for $1300-$1400 delivered to T3 with a guarantee." if engines are this cheap ,why do i keep hearing 5-6k $ for the swap, is there that much mark up?

To properly install a Q45 engine takes a lot of qulaified labor.I seem to recall book hours are 20?Thats with a well euipped shop that know what their doing.

Also needs new seals, RR assorted stuff parts cost is not inconsequential if you want a decent R7Red engine in your Q.

At least you can have good confidence then in what under the hood.

Fred...

Post by **liff** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

R7Red what does that mean?????I found a 1996 q 45 with 43,000 miles in memphis for $10,995 at a dealer. Even if that is high, if the service records were impeccable that might make more sense than rebuilding a vehicle with 120,000 miles. ( my car will bring 5k here in ohio)(I have the experience of replacing a seized engine with a used one of lesser miles, than the injectors started going out and the sensors and before you know it you are chasing and not knowing how long is the money string.)

Post by **joe dirt** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

i believe 7000 rpm redline.

Post by **90Q45blue** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

It was a typo. Fred meant to type R&R.

Nick

Post by **joe dirt** » Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:56 am

oh yeah!

1994 Q45 Owners - new factory crate motor

1994 Q45 Owners - new factory crate motor

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