1990 Q45

[maxnix]

So that would make a Jaguar S type with a better tuned engine and suspension and upgraded interior trim....???

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks Jesda for the backup

By the way my friend has the new york edition. I dont know how much of a diffence that is

That just means it comes with simulated rust on the undercarriage, and one of those armor plate things around the deck lid keyhole.

Oh, and don't forget the factory installed Puerto Rican CD hanging on the rear view mirror. :pface

Sorry, you guys know I'm not a FLiMCo hater, or a PR hater, before that $hitstorm erupts.

Yes Max, you are correct.

HD, former Mark VIII owner, whose Dad had just about every Roman numeral of those that came out.

[AZ94Q]

The LS Is a joke sorry..

Like I said earlier the early model v6 manual would outrun the slushbox v8.. Pathetic..

Make your own chasis, then we can discuss how great your car is..

Lincoln outhandling a BMW? Blow me...

You remember the old caddy sts infomercials? they managed to best a BMW 540 in almost every handling test... Only a schmuck would say an STS will take a 540 on a roadcourse.. I've driven both, and the sts would be far far behind..

[AZ94Q]

Damn I hate fanboys spreading misinformation about a car..

Nothing chaps my hide more then someone who thinks their car is the #1 car on the planet...

You can't even get the LS v8 with a manual.

M45 will SLAUGHTER a lincoln LS, for much less money as well..

Look at that interior. NOW THATS AMERICAN LUXURY.. WOO-HOO

Can't wait for the substandard build quality to set in... Too bad the whole thing isn't a jag... Any FORD component on there will break/fail/ go to hell shortly...

[AZ94Q]

Acceleration, 0-60 mph, sec 7.2 (est.) Standing quarter mile, sec/mph 15.4/91 (est.) Top speed, mph 142 (est.)

What a joke..

The 2003 runs 0-60 in the low 60s, and the 1/4 in the low 14s.. That is RESPECTABLE..

However all but the newest models are a joke...

Sorry, I don't have time to waste on a detuned ford version of a jaguar..

15.4@91

YEA THATS FAST

[AZ94Q]

HAHA, it looks like 15.4@91 is a GOOD time.

"Lincoln's 3.9-liter V8 is good for 252 horsepower and 267 foot-pounds of torque, the most torque in the test. Power delivery off the line was immediate and plenty, and stayed consistently plucky through the mid-range. Get it near redline, however, and the engine note becomes more of a shrill nag than a pleasing roar. Despite its extra cylinders, the LS wasn't the fastest car in the test; its 7.2-second 0-to-60-mph acceleration time falls midpack, as does its quarter-mile acceleration of 15.7 seconds at 90.9 mph. Perhaps this American V8 needs to eat a few more bowls of Wheaties. Or go on a diet. "

[email protected]

I don't care how fast you think it felt.. That's DOG SLOW buddy.

Try bringing a real car to the table..

[AZ94Q]

"Creaks and groans from various and flimsy interior fittings was almost constant. At one point, the climate system uttered a flatulent noise that had my passenger rolling down the window, thinking I was at fault. Both sides of the car are dressed in chrome at the beltline, and it wavers as it stretches from pillar to post. The strip on the front passenger door actually popped out of place at one point. The hood was grossly misaligned, and our test car had poor door fit compared to other vehicles on the test."

[AZ94Q]

"But, as with many cars designed and manufactured in the United States, the Lincoln falls short when stacked up against the best cars in the class. Our Lincoln suffered from an indecisive automatic transmission, poor brake pedal feel and modulation, substandard assembly quality, lousy cabin materials and a generally dissatisfying interior design."

You can put this topic to rest gentlemen.

Your low standards won't make a garbage car any better, no matter how hard you try.. You can tell your fanboy LS friends that to.. You can tell them to come on NICO, I'll have fun with them all day long

[AZ94Q]

Sorry, I can't stop

This is HILAROUS

"the climate system uttered a flatulent noise that had my passenger rolling down the window, thinking I was at fault."

That sums up the lincoln perfect.. a rolling turd

[90Q45blue]

Pito,

Don't let people steer you off topic with Lincoln-hating, let's focus on what's important...that you are resurrecting one of the greatest cars ever made back from the living dead. It will be well worth it and you won't be able to get enough of the Q once you drive it.

Nick

[AZ94Q]

The hating is justified...

Yes, you are right.. he is now a q owner... He will feel the difference himself, soon..

[AZ94Q]

I would just like to say... While reviewers didn't like the Qs exterior styling, they never said anything like they did about the lincoln, about the Q...

The Q came out in 90, and was developed in the 80s... The lincoln is a modern car.. based off a nice jag... Inexcusable

[Jesda]

LS V8 runs the 1/4 in about 15 flat. That beats or matches my 92 Q.

http://www.motortrend.com/road....html

[AZ94Q]

That's a 2003, with the bigger HP...

So what...

It runs a 92, which doesn't match your orig Q...

Put the Q in 1st gear brake torque to 2,000 RPM, and your gonig to own that lincoln by the end of the strip...

Let's seee...

5 speed auto

More HP

400 pounds less weight

And it can barely match a q in the 1/4.. can't match it in trap speed.

Sorry, the LS is weak

[pito11213]

Fine a comparison between a bmw and a lincoln proves the bmw to be the winner, for the price of one I would expect nothing less. As far as materials, hey they just started making the car, so of course they will only get better. Look at the interior of the new LS. As far as being owned by a Q. Go on ahead shift into 1 and all the fancy driving if you want, the LS will stay in Drive 5 or autostick and will give you a run if not make you mad. So what if the mag ratings aren't impressive, remember the first Q wasn't exactly excepted. I am getting the Q for its luxury status not for the performance. If I wanted performance I would keep the T- bird with the very modifiable 5.0. I know it is said that the t-bird is slow but do a comparison. An art car transmission rated to handle 600+ HP can be bought for that car for $2,000 with a new converter. I could by GT-40 heads, a 70mm throttle body or 75mm, true dual exhaust, a heavy duty posi-trac axle and still come in spending damn near what a new AC system would cost on the Q. But, I want the Q because1. I always liked the car and always wanted one.2. Nice luxury3. Alternative to getting the ever present lexus.

I do like the LS and I will continue to vouch for its handling not on a road course but on the streets where it counts. Any one from Brooklyn, New York should know about the Jackie Robinson Parkway, a wonderful place to test handling. I have done those S-turns at 80. It is especially wonderful using the auto stick where you can get close to redline.

Keep your statistical data for a magazine editor and meet me on Eastern Parkway so I could show you the real performance with just a neutral drop.

[pito11213]

Be careful when you say flawless build quality. Lets not forget almost every 1gen Q has faulty sunvisors, a possible drop of the plastic on the back of the seat, chain guided, ashtray that decides not to stay closed and fortunately an insatiable appetite for tires due to powerful motor. But despite these little quirks, you love your car right? You wouldnt leave it unless it was another Q right? Well there will be some folks who feel that way about the Q.

Please dont compare a honda hatchback sized car (330 bmw) to a big sedan (LS)

Lets agree to this atleast.

The Q is a wonderful car and very enjoyable. The lincoln is a good car and enjoyable. The Q is a good used car. The LS is a good pre-owned car. I refuse to buy new because I refused to get raped on depreciation.

And Yes I know I am getting a wonderful car and cant wait to get it back up to full status.

I wish I could afford to baby it at T3 buy I doubt that. I have a reliable mechanic here in NY that I trust, so that will be labor. I will take a shot on mostly dealer parts.

[Jesda]

I want the M45 dynamics in an LS package, with the G35 interior. Then I'd be one happy camper.

[Jesda]

Oh, and with original G50 seats.

[HeavyDuty]

Good God AZ94Q!!

Doood!

Stop talking to yourself here, or people are going to talk about you, and not to you.

[AZ94Q]

Heavy,

He is responding to me, so I am responding. I don't care what any nico member thinks of me. I say what i want, when I want, to whoever I want. It's a messageboard, that's what it's for..

Be careful when you say flawless build quality. Lets not forget almost every 1gen Q has faulty sunvisors, a possible drop of the plastic on the back of the seat, chain guided, ashtray that decides not to stay closed and fortunately an insatiable appetite for tires due to powerful motor. But despite these little quirks, you love your car right? You wouldnt leave it unless it was another Q right? Well there will be some folks who feel that way about the Q.

Faulty sunvisors? Interesting.. I've owned a 91 and a 94.. neither had faulty sunvisors... Next... Drop of the plasitc ont he back of the seat.. Never seen this either.. Chain guides? This was fixed in 94... Ashtray? Cheap fix...

DO I need to point out the LS issues AGAIN? You are trying to nitpick over an ashtry, when the LS has far far worse issues..

I would leave it.. I analyze each car very throughly.. I am a q fan sure.. I am also a fan of other well built vehicles..

The LS isn't well built sorry.. Owner surveys, reviews, etc etc, have all said this...

You can whine about ashtrays or visors... but the issues I laid out about the LS are far far worse..

[AZ94Q]

Here we go again..

Would you rather have a broken ashtray or..

substandard assembly quality, lousy cabin materials and a generally dissatisfying interior design."

an insatiable appetite for tires due to powerful motor.

That's due to it handling well... It's "powerfull" motor doesn't eat tires, it's extreme use of camber does.. Of course if your oversteering through corners, then the engine comes into play... However the engine only eats tires, as much as you want it to.

[sijoko]

While the Lincoln LS is a decent car compared to today's competition, I would not put it in the same class as the Q45.

The biggest complaint from me is the lack of space in the LS, especially for the driver. The car felt cramped. The interior is not up to the standard of the Q.

Of course, the Q was built at a time when Nissan had cash coming out their ying-yang, so there is no comparison.

As far as performance is concerned, all you need is a 4.08 rearend and JWT ecu to put the Q into the mid 14s easily.

-sijoko

[AZ94Q]

Thank you.

This is just about the nicest message board (for cars) I've ever been on.. That's great and all.. I'm glad we're all so happy go lucky touchee feely.. But you have to call a spade a spade.. I'm sorry, you just can't let people come on here and compare apples to oranges..

Furthermore, I would venture to say the new M45 has less interior issues, at it was built when nissan didn't have money coming out of all ends...

Every review for the LS, states build quality as an issue. EVERY ONE.. These are american reviews as well..

[AZ94Q]

This is my last statement on this issue..

I have owned a wide range of vehicles. Import & domestic.

Domestic cars (espically ford) continue to lag behind everyone else, in terms of build quality, technology, etc etc.. they don't lead anywhere, except for a marginal price advantage.. Again this doesn't apply to the LS, you can purchase an M45 for cheaper..

My friend has a 2001 sentra GXE.. a true econobox... has nearly 90,000 miles.. he hasn't any build quality issues.. no rattles, nothing not fitting into place.. The issues the LS is PLAGUED with, a simple car like a sentra, doesn't have..

You can make excuses all day long for ford/lincoln.. They should have done better.. It was basically their flagship.. There is no excuse for these continual buil quality issues. I don't care if nissan spent 1x billion dollars on the Q.. It began development in 1986.. A 2000 LINCON.. BUILT OFF OF A JAGUAR PLATFORM, should be every bit as good as a 15 year old car...

This just shows you how great of a car the Q is, and how not so great (mediocore) the Lincoln Is..

I respect American high performance vehicles.. New SVT Cobra? Dynoing at it's advertised FLYWHEEL HP.. That's awesome...

LS1s basically dynoing at their advertised hp.. this is awesome as well.. I say good job america..

The F bodies, vettes, cobras, all good cars.. Still have some plagueing issues, but with performance like they offer, who can argue with it..

That's my point about the LS. It's performance isn' enough to offset it's substandard build quality, and other issues..

Again, I think GM simply smacks down ford again.. A loaded LS is not much less then a CTS V.. If you want to discuss performance, the CTS V is it.. 400 hp. Nurburgring tested suspension. massive brakes.. a manual with a v8.. Awesome.. I totally applaud cadillac/gm on this vehicle.. This is what the americans should be doing.. Using it's vast resources to offer better packages at cheaper prices then it's competition..

The LS doesn't offer any advantage against it's competitors. The CTS V has advantages galore..

[HeavyDuty]

I understand the definition of a forum, AZ, but just as I was trying to assist you with the S/C project, I was trying to assist you with your points, which may be valid, but inflammatory.

You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

Because for you, the Q45 is the Bellwether of which all automobilia in general is judged, you sling arrows at everything else.

That's being a zealot, not an enthusiast.

I've owned more cars than you are years old, most of them before I was your age now.

There's something to be said for diversity, and my fond memories of FoMoCo stuff shouldn't be tarnished by someone who's berating it for no other reason than to do just that.

I'm not jumping into this for the sheer enjoyment of a fight, but rather asking that if you consider a more genteel and less argumenative approach to your posts, you will enjoy greater success in influening others to your point of view.

Calling someone else's car a turd does have repurcussions. I've made bold statements here, but 90 % are tonque in cheek "Ford vs Chevy type bench racing stuff, no more, no less.

[Jesda]

Well, the CTS-V really doesnt compete with the LS. The LS has more room, more traditional styling, and more refinement. The CTS-V is a four-door beast.

I'd buy an LS V8 for different reasons I'd buy a CTS-V. The two cars make entirely different statements.

People usually dont cross shop for a CTS-V and an LS V8.

And today my passenger side sun visor fell off Slapped it back into place.

-Jesda

[Q45tech]

http://www.autosite.com/new/gr...9.asp

http://dynoperformance.com/sea...D=692145,000 mile STOCK 1992 Q45 93F ..............232.4 RWHP@ 5530 rpms Max TQ: 247.4 @ 4800 ............look at AF ratio graph above 6,000 rpm

[ardvarkus]

Pito-

Have you determined who will do your work on the vehicle if you drive it from GA to NY?

Unless you can wrench, it seems unfortuinate to drive it AWAY from T3...

I see a new transmission in your future as well. (Unless it was already replaced) Mark my words. 10k more miles of challenging Beamers et al and those clutch plates will be spinnin'.

I'd save up the 6K -9k you're facing and have it all done at once. If you are serious

A

[redmanfx]

LS V8 runs the 1/4 in about 15 flat. That beats or matches my 92 Q.

Sorry to hear that Jesda. Like I said, I've driven the Lincoln and prefer my 92Q, even with 252k on it. I can almost say hands down. The Lincoln does not corner as well and does not have the acceleration I love at 65mph and higher. The torque difference is noticable to me as well. Many Lincoln owners here in NC brag about their $45,000 Lincoln and I brag about my $2,500 car. On the road however, there is no bragging, only an adjustment of my rear view mirror.

The Lincoln is a nice car and it is American made, but the Q bit me and there is no going back. You'll see pito. Let me say welcome again and show the love.....

red