1987 928

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Bayarea Q
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Hello all,

I know this is off topic.....but I respect your opinions,

My friend was in an accident and totaled his new beamer :(

We went looking for a replacement car and found a 1987 928 with 55K. Before he buys it, I wanted to ask you all for any knowledge you may have on these cars. I spoke to a mechanic and he says the blocks crack. Ever hear of this? I believe this is the first year with the 32V 5.0 liter engine. Really looks sweet!If anyone knows of a Porche club, that would be great!

Thanks for your help.


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Email Steve (Highway Q45) I think he has a closely related Porsche, and is active in a Porsche club.

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There is a 928 board out there, but I don't have it bookmarked.

Might check and see how much it costs to change the water pump. That might slap him up against the head.

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Thanks guys.I told him it was a 1K job. It must be a weak one because almost all the 928's on the market state, "new water pump"I'm going to email hiway Q45 now.

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Bayarea Q,Just saw your post. I've read up on most of the Porsche "watercoolers" and have never heard of cracked blocks being an issue on 928's. My 944 (2.5L) is half of the 928 block and they are hell bent for stout as far as I know. The Turbos had head gasket issues but that's usually associated to increased boost. The reason most 944, 924S, 944 Turbos, and 928's have rebuilt water pumps is because the original design did not allow enough clearance for the timing belt; the new design has a "plastic guide" to prevent backside belt wear. Be prepared to uncork the econo size Vaseline jar though with a 928 unless you do your own repairs. They are very pricey compared to the 944's and 968's. A clutch replacement alone will almost always exceed $1100 due to the double plate design. That being said you will find that owners love them as a great highway compact cruiser with power to spare. If your friend can drive a 86-91 944 Turbo he will never even look at a 928...they are wicked fast and are one of the best handling cars Porsche ever made. They hold their value very well. I looked at one this morning with a funny trans...very tempting indeed for $2K...most go for $5k to $10K.

IMHO the best site to prowl and learn is:

http://rennlist.com/

Not as friendly as NICO of course, must be a German thing! Good Luck and let me know if you need any additional source information.

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I remember a neighbor's 928 (from late 80s timeframe) which had a single pedal controlling the throttle and the brakes. To brake you just let off the pedal slowly -- or let off quickly if you wanted to brake fast.

Never rode in it to see how it worked.

I always thought 928 design was way ahead of its time.

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Thanks Highway I will relay the info.

Isn't the 944 an all aluminum block?

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Yes the 944 are and as AFAIK the 928 are all aluminum. Pre 85 928's were 2V/cyl and 85+were 4V/cyl. just like the 944. The 2V 928 were non-interference fit and the 4V were. Another reason the 928's have new water pumps is that it is a recommended changeout with t-belt change every 40K interval. On the 4V it is the longest drive belt ever put on a production car. It handles the water pump, oil pump, and 4-cams. As far as maintenance consider it like a Q...a high tech machine deserving respect. Consider the first 1979 928 @$18K and the last year clocked in @ $72K. It never was targeted at the masses. There are some good buyers guides at the Rennlisdt your friend should print out if he is serious.Steve

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I had an 87 928 5spd for 8 years that I got new. It was a great car, but very pricey and difficult to work on. It was hand built and shared almost no parts with other Porsches. The 87 had some thin spots in the head water jackets that would crack if they overheated or blew a head gasket. I wouldn't recommend getting one, as the age and cost of maintenance coupled with the difficulty of finding a tech that is familiar with them will drive you insane and make your wallet empty.

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911/Q45, Highway q45

Much appreciated! I think I'm going to talk him out of buying it.....

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I'm curious how your 1990 Q45 compared to the 928? I think my friend needs a Q!

Have a great weekend,Robert

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The 928 and the Q are completely different cars. I replaced the 928 with a 1996 911 Twin Turbo. The Q is my wife's car. Think of a 84-94 Corvette, but really well engineered with everything top of the line and you'll approximate the 928s4.

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greg_atlanta wrote:I remember a neighbor's 928 (from late 80s timeframe) which had a single pedal controlling the throttle and the brakes. To brake you just let off the pedal slowly -- or let off quickly if you wanted to brake fast.


you mean using the accelerator in 1st gear? lol

engine braking is massive, but there's still a brake pedal.

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dont forget about the aluminum bodywork which makes a re-spray (which most need at this point ) a headache.

its a delightful GT, but you really need to be loaded or have a certified porsche tech patch on your jumpsuit, repairs are ridiculously expensive.

not very agile, despite the weissach rear axle setup. 944 and even the z32 300zx are much more enjoyable, not to mention significantly less to maintain.

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A friend of mine had an 88 928 dohc, YES there were timing chain/guide/belt issues. An engineer I worked with (from Germany) said it was actually an Audi engine made for Porsche. It never really seemed that fast. -SQuee

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The 928 is a very under-rated car. THe major issue with these cars is the timing belt which has to be replaced at 50-60k. THe 928 has an interference engine, so if the timing belt breaks there is major engine damage. Kinda like a Q car.

I've never heard of a block cracking a 928. Its prolly an urban legend.

THese cars were very advanced for their time and are similar to the Q cars in that due to their age, electrical gremlins can pop up. Repair is often expensive and it can be difficult to find repair mechanics familiar with the car, even amongst the Porsche crowd.

These cars are a rocket, particularly 1988 and later, when 928s for the US market were finally equipped with the same engine set-up as the rest of the world had from the beginning. Pre-1987 US 928 cars had a somewhat de-tuned engine to meet US emission and safety requirements. Remember the speedometers that maxed out at 85 mph? The early 928s for the US had these even though the car was good for 150 mph.


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