180sx type x

[nicku]

from some website people said s13 black top is as same as 180sx black top. but the thing is i was looking for an emanage for my car. and the website sells the harness for it also. the description says the harness is for s13 red and black top but not for 180sx black top ??? what does that mean?

here is the link of it http://www.240sxmotoring.com/gres13sradha.html

[duffman1278]

Thats odd, the only 1.8L for the S13 is the CA but theres not color identification for that engine. And it clearly says for blacktop and red top SR's. You should call them. the 180sx blacktop should be the "black top" their claiming t fits. Call them up

[Hijacker]

The type X was a special S13 blacktop motor put out in the last years of the 180sx run (97 and 98 I believe)

It had some extra goodies as far as I know, and it definitely had a different ECU than the non-Type X 180s.

The 180SX really doesn't specify engine size like it meant to when the car first came out. After the introduction of the SR, the car was called 200SX in other countries, but Japan retained the 180SX nameplate, probably for brand identity purposes.

[nicku]

so 180sx blacktop is same thing as s13 black top? but 180sx type x blacktop is different from the s13 black top, right?and also the s13 red top is same as s13 black top just the valve cover color different or the performance is different ,too

[Hijacker]

regular blacktops are identical to redtops. The attraction is that since they're newer, they have less mileage on them when they get to our shores.

The type x motor is mechanically the same as all other S13 SRs, but from what I understand, got extra goodies for power adders. In such, I know that the ECU ID code for a type-x is the different from all other SR ECus, but I couldn't tell you if there's a physical difference between them.

[SpeedRacer1]

Type X was a trim level, all SR20DET's from 180SX's in 1997-1998 had the same ECU.

The trim levels for the 1997-1998 models were Type-S, Type-R, Type-X, and Type-G.

The Type X and Type R had turbo's and the same ECU.

S13 is a general chassis code. The 180SX and Silvia both have versions of the car built off the S13 chassis.

The main difference between the redtop and blacktop S13 SR20DET's for modification purposes is the engine's ECU, wiring harness, and some sensors.

[jdm_master_X]

IIRC correctly, the only difference between s13 chuki blacktops and kouki blacktops is the electronics utilized on the 97-98 version. simply put, they were just s13 srs with s14 electronics.

i tried using an s13 tps on my car, but the harness only fit an s14 tps.

[Rosco]

Wasn't the other differance that s13 redtops head a hi-port head design and blacktops had a low-port head design?

[jdm_master_X]

no. you're confusing that with the differences between s13 SRs and S14 SRs.

[Rosco]

no. you're confusing that with the differences between s13 SRs and S14 SRs.

Gotcha..

[Hijacker]

Type X was a trim level, all SR20DET's from 180SX's in 1997-1998 had the same ECU.

The trim levels for the 1997-1998 models were Type-S, Type-R, Type-X, and Type-G.

The Type X and Type R had turbo's and the same ECU.

S13 is a general chassis code. The 180SX and Silvia both have versions of the car built off the S13 chassis.

The main difference between the redtop and blacktop S13 SR20DET's for modification purposes is the engine's ECU, wiring harness, and some sensors.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Speed. I could never keep it totally clear in my head :

[nicku]

yeah..thats much better....now i really understand...thanks guys

[Onizuka]

91-96 sr20's (black or red) use the greddy N-9 harness (the one pictured on the website). 97-98 s13 sr20det's use the N-8 harness. Unless you have a late model s13 blacktop, use the N-9 harness.

The N-8 harness is also used for late model s14 sr20's (97-98) and S15 sr20's. Early model S14 SR's (93-96) use the N-2 harness.

There, that should be perfectly clear.

[White Comet]

alright ive gonna revive this thread just to clear something up, cuz i cant keep it straight either. do all blacktops have cooling fins on the head or just the type x black tops?

[SpeedRacer1]

All S13 blacktops and late model redtops have cooling fins. Only early redtops are missing the fins.

[White Comet]

what are obvious ways to determine if it is a type x motor?

[jdm_master_X]

Type X blacktops use the J4 ECU. thats the most telltale way. pre 97 blacktops use the E5/E6 ECU.

some sensors and connectors are different between harness as well.

[White Comet]

i'll look at my ecu right now, i was told its type x but im not sure, i dont really care though

[Slipstream]

See, I've been trying to figure this out also. Everyone says to look at the ecu code, but my engines didn't come with an ecu. I know the numbers on the head and block are 52F and they are finned. But without an ecu, how do I know what ecu or aftermarket ecu to get?

[Hijacker]

E5/E6 ECUs use identical harness plugs to the 62/63 ECU IIRC. The J4/J5 had a different harness plug

[White Comet]

just checked mine its E5, booo

so what is the power difference between type x black top and chuki black top?

[schanne]

I just repined the E5 plug to work with the J4 ECU. It's not that bad, it's pretty damn simple actually.

thanx to speedracer

[jdm_master_X]

i also repinned the J4 harness to run the E5 ECU since there arent too many ROMs commonly available for the J4 ECU atm.

[Driftcardotnet]

it has a j4 ecu, my motor s13 clip was made 02/1997 and you can look that up by using the nissan FAST software, but anyways my motor has a black valve cover, and it has a J4 ecu, as far as the extra goodies it comes with please let me knowand type x is a body style not engine style
Modified by Driftcardotnet at 7:21 PM 12/14/2007

[schanne]

whats the best way to tune with a J4 ecu?

[prestodevil]

hey dude, how did that repin from the j4 to the e5 ecu go? wuz it that easy? any complications? do you have any instructions on how to do so? Thanks man

[schanne]

Its easy if your not retarded. Look up speedracer1 for the charts and how to. If you can't find it post back here