180 degrees w/ ABS??

[cys19]

Is it possible to do a 180 with ABS? It was raining today when I just got out of church, and since the parking lot was already near empty and my patience for the money to buy my own car (a 240) deminished tremendously after sitting in my friend's drifting 240 yesterday, I decided to see if my mom's Camry could do a 180. Now, I've never done a 180 before, so that's why I'm asking this question. But, I think you e-brake and jerk the steering wheel 90-180 degrees, am I right? I tried both 90 and 180 degrees going 30mph, and every time the ABS came on, forcing me to sharp turn intead. Is it the ABS or is it a fwd/rwd issue? I'm a newbie dont bash me in plz aha

[andrave]

um, ABS doesn't control the ebrake. thats cable driven. you just suck.

[240Knightrider]

dude just go in reverse and Turn the car hard, If you know what you are doing or do it right you dont even need the break. I did it in my grand am which had ABS 4 door. 2.3lslow and an automatic transmission. So it can be done.

Edit: after thinking, I guess you might have to use the brake a little at the end when you stop unless you have a manual and you throw it in 1st.

what type of 180 from reverse or forward.

Practically the same thing if going forward. That Ive done plenty of times in my 240, makes it extremly easy have RWD instead of the Piece of (you know) pontiac I had.

[IvoryJ30t]

yeah, you just need to practice.

i used to pull some sick ebrake turns, j turns, 180's ect. in my old G2 acura legend.

just practice, and one day you too could do a 360 in a 3500lb FWD vehicle.

the key is speed. if your afraid, and you hesitate, the manuver is going to suck.

find a big open empty [most important] parking lot. get that ***** up to 50-60 mph, cut the wheel, and jab the brake as you pull the handbrake.

if the car is fwd, the tapping of the brake makes weight transfer forward, unloading the rear wheels. as soon as you jab the brake, pull the ebrake to lock the rears, and cut the wheel. as soon as the *** end starts to slide, give the car gas and let the ebrake go.

the jabbing of the brake pedal is a split second thing. its just to coax weight transfer. if you hit the gas too soon, jab the brake too hard or for too long, or dont ebrake right, the slide is gonna suck it pretty bad.

its an art form. and it stretches ebrake cables.

[240Knightrider]

Truthfully, not trying to rag on anyones case or whatever. If you are good at it you dont, need the e-brake. I never used it when I didnt know anything about it. I guess just a fear of tearing my rear tires to shreads when they lock up. I dont know.

[IvoryJ30t]

you need the ebrake for good turns in a FWD vehicle. were talking FWD, not RWD. any idiot should be able to slide the rears in a rwd car. if you cant, just shoot yourself.

if you cut the wheel in a fwd car going 50-60, its just gonna push. fwd needs to be convinced that the slide is gonna be fun.

[240Knightrider]

Um, did you read about my grand am experiences and not haveing to use the e-brake. Which actually the grand am had a foot break which makes it pretty hard to use it while going fast. So I learned without it. So im sorry you dont really need one, not meaning to bust your bubble or nothing like that.

[IvoryJ30t]

i have a B class CDL. your not busting my bubble.

[80,000 lbs, no combinations]

[IvoryJ30t]

i never said it impossible, just that it usually comes out much better when you dont give the car a chance to try to understeer.

sure, your gonna slide, but not as good as a RWD car, or using the ebrake in a FWD.

So im sorry you dont really need one, not meaning to bust your bubble or nothing like that.

parallel park a tractor-trailer and get back to me.

[240Knightrider]

So you drive a anything that weighs over 23,000lbs (or close to that depending on where you live). That doesnt mean you know how to do 180s. I must tell you my dad has one, Im about to get one, and I know I a lot of people with one. So that really doesnt mean anything to me.

[240Knightrider]

i never said it impossible, just that it usually comes out much better when you dont give the car a chance to try to understeer.

sure, your gonna slide, but not as good as a RWD car, or using the ebrake in a FWD.



parallel park a tractor-trailer and get back to me.

Hmmm, ok. Im back to you now

[IvoryJ30t]

80,000 lbs. i only have A class a permit.

[240Knightrider]

wow NY has way different lbs restrictions than here. Learn somethin new everyday

[IvoryJ30t]

i would love to see you make it through more than 180 degrees in a FWD car with no ebrake.

rain and snow doesnt count.

[IvoryJ30t]

non cdl-c 18,000cdl c- 33,000cdl b- 80,000 no combination [no tractor trailer]cdl a - 80,000 combinations [everything]

[240Knightrider]

nope it was in dry heat in my school parkin lot about a year and a half ago. Nice dry pavement. It was actually the first time I ever really did the whole 180. I dont do stupid crap like that in the rain, one my 240 doesnt have ABS so im very, very cautious in the rain. But the grand am did have abs when it wanted to. lol

But I never said I did over a 180 in a FWD car either.

[240Knightrider]

we just have class A for anything over 26,001 lbs or more, combination, and b is without combo.I guess cause My dad drove a truck for so long I picked up the habit. Now im workin the dock and working on getting on a truck for a lil while.

[cys19]

I know the ebrake works through a cable. I thought it was the ABS cuz the brake pedal started vibrating. (I wasn't stepping on it, even though my foot was on it.) So I have to go 50-60 mph on a FWD? I did 30 mph the whole time cuz 25 mph worked on my friend's S13.

[240Knightrider]

I dont remember what it was on my grand am. But try slower speeds at first since you are just starting out and get faster until it works for you. the 240 is a light car with enough power to do that, thats prolly why it was easier.

[IvoryJ30t]

sorry, got sidetracked.

ive never tried to spin in a grand am, but since they have a nice amount of torque, its probably nice and easy, especially with some crappy tires.

we were conflicting. i was talking fwd, you were talking rwd.

trucks are definately a good thing to know.

i used to drive tow trucks and work on cars, so i got my B class. i have my a permit, but it dont think im gonna go for the road test because i dont even drive trucks any more.

[240Knightrider]

mine didnt have much torque left in her, 2.3l ohc was a bit low on the power side. But it was my first car so I loved it.

why dont you drive trucks anymore?I agree they are good to know.

[IvoryJ30t]

becuase ive been working on my computer certifications [A+, MCSE, CCNA, CCNT] and going to school for my BS.

i run my own local computer repair out of my house that i get by pretty good on. ill have my ccna in a few more months, so i can start as a jr network admin.

oh, and i once fell asleep driving a F450 7.3 diesel.i was towing, and fat paychecks are better than sleep.

well, after being awake for 3 days, i fell asleep in yonkers and wrecked 6 parked cars and the stone wall infront of someones house.

its a good thing i have other skills, because insurance companies dont like to hear that you once caused $90,000 worth of property damage in a single accident.

the good part- in NY [maybe the country, not sure] accidents and violations in a commercial vehicle dont count towards personal car insurance.

the funny part- my boss felt responsible for allowing me to work non stop. i still had a job after totaling a 2001 ford F450 tow truck with 53,000 miles on it [5+1 manual]. the insurance company called three days later and fired me for them. i was there when they got the call.

and thats why im not a truck driver anymore.

ps- international 4700 6+1 with the 466DT does some sick *** slides in the snow.

[240Knightrider]

wow, im glad you were alright from that one. Ive done a few computer repairs here and there but im still young and dont have the money to open a shop yet. I keep getting customers from a shop were I live that keeps messing theres up, it really makes me mad. Its almost like they do that so they will come back to them.

My uncle drove for some company I cant remember the name but while he was driving had a massive heart attack and the whole time he managed to pull over, drive about 3 more miles down the road and pull over again before he died. The cops didnt even find him until the next day.

[240Knightrider]

sad thing is its against the law for truckers to pull over for any great periods of time. to sleep or whatever

[cys19]

sorry for your uncle man

[240Knightrider]

sorry for your uncle man

Thank you

[andrave]

wow. sad. admidst the flame war.

anyway I had an escort, you do not need the ebrake to get them sideways. they had very very poor weight distribution. Left foot braking, and holy ****! rally car turns.cept that one time I understeered off the road on that gravel, and over the hill, and into that tree.yeah... on second thought, don't do that.

[IvoryJ30t]

yeah, i was pretty lucky that it was 4 in the morning and i was the only one on the block.

i was supposed to be going north on 9A, but somehow i wound up on nepperhan ave. i nodded out, crossed the double yellow, and it was over. walked away without a scratch.

ive owned two FWD cars [2G acura legend, 1G DSM] and i had good tires on them, so it was hard to get it to break free nicely.

sorry to hear about your uncle. it gets very stressful driving extremely long hours. i would go to work at 8 am, be done at 11 pm, then usually sometime between 2 am and 4 am i would get a mercedes call, have to drive 15 miles back to the shop to switch trucks, drive the 20 or so miles to pick up a broken down mercedes, drive back to the shop, unload the benz, and drive back home in time to get an hour sleep and start all over again. after a few months of that, it catches up with you.

[IvoryJ30t]

its not a flame war, its a minor disagreement. were just having fun.