180-200 hp on a budget, no turbo?

[Two Fowty]

Right now all I've got, mod-wise:

Injen Cold Air IntakeClutchmasters Stage-5 Clutch (what a PITA for DD) Clutchmasters LightWeight FlywheelEibach Lowering Springs

and then I've got electric fans, which are freeing up a few ponies

This is my DD, but I'm wanting around 180-200hp

My budget: $1500.

What would you guys recommend to reliably get up to my wanted hp range?

I'm not gonna turbo. Be specific in what you tell me, cause I'm kind of a car noob.

[Razi]

It will be impossible with $1500.Even with more money, it will be fairly difficult.

[chrismo240sx]

especially with a single cam motor with bolt-ons. Some definate internal motor work needs to be done buddy. 1500 will probab;y get you all the bolt-ons available and maybe cams, and youll still end up shy most likely.

[s14derrick]

1500 bucks would be enough for a budget turbo build

[Wc240]

curious why your not wanting to go turbo, personnal choice or what?

[liquid_cool]

your not gona get that much horsepower for that much money without a turbo in the mix..but..with some mods..on the cheep..a little sly shopping ..its possible to squeeze out a 175 to 180 N/A build for that..lets see..

supertech 10.5:1 pistons..... $400ish.BC stage 2 cams.................. $300.ishduel springs and titanium retainers $250.ishnew bearings .......................$45.ishEbay Exaust system $250.ishif ya curbcheck and destroy it..who cares..get another off egay..um ebay.

no need to go forged rods with a NA build..so your not lookin to bad at this point as far as coin goes.

you should see some gains in the upper range and some added torque..with that clutch ya have you should be able to feel it at the wheels..if ya wana realize more responce..change the motor mounts to a solid type mount to limit flex..i my self would use a hockey puck set up..wait..i do use a hockey puck motor mount..lol...good luck..what ever you decide.

[David s12]

STOCK DOHC KA WITH M62 SLAPPED ON IT

[glitched]

IF your serious about making the power, Nistune and some dyno time. yeah, even on a NA.

[Two Fowty]

curious why your not wanting to go turbo, personnal choice or what?

it's a mixture of things.. first of all I'm 17, and i work at wendys. which means on top of paying my insurance and loan out for my car i have like.. 100 bucks extra a month. so i'm really wanting reliability, cause when things go wrong on my car, i'm screwed unless its a simple fix.

and secondly i have absolutely no knowledge of how turbo's work or what parts are needed to make them function fully. I've read through the threads on here (turbo101, abc's, etc), cause turbo would be nice. But it's really confusing to me, and even if someone gave me ALL the parts I'd need to assemble the turbo, idk how i would do it.

So yea, sure turbo would be awesome, but I really need reliability, and I'm on a tight budget as you can see. Hey, if you can convince me otherwise, and explain what I would need to do to get this turbo thing going, yet have a safe and reliable dd, then go for it, i am all ears. if i went turbo i'd want a small one.

so yea thats why. I'm just really hesitant, and I need this motor to last , cause I cant afford a new one, thats my main concern.

[480sx]

The Ka isnt a honda as far as bolt on mods go. There is no list of things we can tell you to buy that will even guarantee you hit 160 hp. Ka's dont like to make power N/A because the engine does not handle RPMs well due to the design of its crank shaft.

If you want to make power on a Ka, you really need to go Ka-T. Do the research on a budget Ka-T build.

Most popular right now is a Ebay bottom mount manifold, a t2 turbo usually from a nissan, a 8:1 RRFMU for 'tuning', 255 walbro pump, ebay downpipe, ect ect.

Those setups have proven to last.

[GODCHSR]

What is wrong with you people...

Get a full exhaust added to that and use a progressive controlled Nitrous kit... FTW!You'd be over 200whp

[s14derrick]

200whp when you are on the juice! but thats going to get expensive fast if you get addicted as well as the power not being a constant

[GODCHSR]

200whp when you are on the juice! but thats going to get expensive fast if you get addicted as well as the power not being a constant

Sure but the reality is if he plans on building a bolt-on daily driver he can have a fun fast car for your basic needs BUT if you keep the juice in a safe manner it'll be nice to run your car against some higher league stuff IF the time comes.

[-RJ-]

I would just build up each piece at a time. put 500 dollars in your savings first then start buying turbo stuff. I remember when I first started my quest into cars. I was 17 working at Circuit City... those were the days. Well to make a long story short, you will learn a lot as you go through the car stuff. I look back to when I was 17, 4 years ago, and I knew nothing then.

You can get a cheap T25 setup out there somewhere if you look hard enough. Just get one piece at a time. Like one day a 1 piece drive shaft, then the next some SR injectors, then maybe next time maybe an exhaust and so on and so forth. I figured that all bolt-ons can lead to a turbo anyway. A t25 setup can get you to 180-200whp ish.

...or just get a fresh rebuild lol

[Two Fowty]

as far as reliability, and turbo'ing, would you recommend ka24e, or ka24de?

[Razi]

Both should be the same.

[Wc240]

E or DE can come down to a personnal choice. peaple swear to both of em. id say DE. stayin n/a due to budget and reliability needs is a damn good reason. you could go for byuing a used duel cam. then, slowly start buidling it inside out. even with oem spec parts just to have a new motor, while you still drive your car. Honestly, id slowly put money in. make well, thought out purchases. you dont wanna buy a part, have it fail, then buy it again. also to improve your car you can look into weight savings, suspension and bushings,...etc. honestly its up to you in the end. just make sure to research before you buy, and dont get discouraged

[urbanskiben]

as far as reliability, and turbo'ing, would you recommend ka24e, or ka24de?

ka24de is better and for turbo everyone hates ebay but i dont jus bc its not name brand doesnt mean its not good you might have to do some extra work to make it look better but they do the same for us low buget builds i feel you man loo for a turbo kit on ebay for a 240 and how they basiclly work is the exaughst gas/pressure spins the turbine and then which then spins a connected turbine to pull clean air in and force it through the intake turbo is better bc it doesnt take horsepower away from the engine like a super charger bc of there pully now the oil system on a turbo is probly confusing you how that works is the oil comes from the engine and works jus like a cam bearing and or rod bearing now lets go over where the exuaghts *sp gas goes after it spins the turbine it goes through the intercooler and out that is basic and should help jus look in the tech page and it will explain it more in depth i might have mis spoken on some things but i know it will help bc i was where you where a while back on turbos

[DaniMike]

omg, not a single period... you are correct tho. A basic turbo build will get you much farther in hp range than add-ons. I do believe it would be best to get better suspension parts first, then work on buying all necessary pieces for a simple t25/28 setup. If you search either here or ka-t.org you should find all your answers. Good luck and don't get discouraged!

[urbanskiben]

well with the suspension it all depends what you doin with it too and yeah i am geussing you dont have acess to enough tools to blueprint your engine so yeah if you have a question search one of those two and you will find it more than likely and been tired so periods i say screw them for now lol good luck

[-RJ-]

all the basic bolt ons minus headers can lead to a turbo setup

[liquid_cool]

all the basic bolt ons minus headers can lead to a turbo setup

the reason RJ and guys like my self..sugest the NA build first..is it is the first step to building a High Boost vehicle corectly..you have to build the internals first..if you incorectly mod a NA build..its not to bad to fix...but a turbo build..would be a disaster money wise...start with the NA build..then when ya feel comfortable about taking the risk...go for the turbo...good luck.

[Oneandonly212003]

on ebay thiers a complet turbo kit for a singlt ka24 for $1,199 and its not hard to install me and my freind did the one on his old motor . hes got RB26dett now

[DroptopDrifting]

dont mean to threadjack, but if you're lookin for a nice turbo setup on a budget, checkout my for sale thread. i'll give ya a good deal. got a full t3/t4 turbo setup, a safc2, sr injectors, etc. basically the only thing i dont have that you'll need is a btm and a walbro pump. you can have yourself like 260whp reliably for that $1500 you got.

[Two Fowty]

sounds very nice, but 2 nights ago someone hit my car and ran.. so i guess with my money, i am just gonna fix up the body damage, and work on small problems i have.. and get the car running perfect.

i have eibach lowering springs

[macten10]

The ONLY way you are going to do that with no turbo is spray.

[-RJ-]

The ONLY way you are going to do that with no turbo is spray.

spray is gay

[Bigvinnie]

The Ka isnt a honda as far as bolt on mods go. There is no list of things we can tell you to buy that will even guarantee you hit 160 hp. Ka's dont like to make power N/A because the engine does not handle RPMs well due to the design of its crank shaft.

Actually I can guarantee 162WHP on $1100 in parts for a DE engine.

[liquid_cool]

big vinny is rite..162hp for a de is easy with bolt ons...

as for a cheep easy turbo..i know ill regret telling so many people..

garrett T-3's can be had off of saab 900's all day at a junk yard for 80 bucks..then from there..its a 30 buck egay manifold and 60 bucks in reliable oil lines..you can allso get a egay intercooler for about 45 bucks now..the piping is extra thou..so say around 600 for a cheep turbo set up good for 10 psi...

i do recomend the head,main,rod studs and at least a multylayer steel head gasket.hope this helpd a bit.

[Bigvinnie]

garrett T-3's can be had off of saab 900's all day at a junk yard for 80 bucks..then from there..its a 30 buck egay manifold and 60 bucks in reliable oil lines..you can allso get a egay intercooler for about 45 bucks now..the piping is extra thou..so say around 600 for a cheep turbo set up good for 10 psi...

I always prefer the HX35 turbo biggest bang for your buck turbo. The saab turbo's have a nice quick spool with very little lag. HX35 is slightly laggy but whne it makes mid/high end powewr it feels awsome.