17" wheel problem

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"Today we recieved a voluntary safety recall for the 17" OE aluminum wheels found on the 2000 and 2001 model year Q45's.

Reference # 1439On affected Q45 vehicles equipped with 17" alloy wheels (produced from 11-1999 to 11-2000) there is a possibility that the alloy wheels used on these vehicles may have a casting defect from which cracks mat propagate as the vehicle is being driven. There have been no reports of wheel failure as a result of this incident. However, if a significant number of crakcs develop, the wheel could fail and separate from the ounting hub.

Please note; wheels produced outside of these dates are not effected, and no other Infiniti vehicle uses the same wheel.

In order to prevent this incident from occuring, Infinti will replace all 4 wheels (including valve stems) on the vehicle. The spare tire steel wheel is not affected by this safety campaign "

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Remember what I said about saving money with no machined lip for clip on weights............using cheaper metal saves even more.

If premium oem wheels can have such problems imagine the low cost South African or South Asian wheels! on a heavy car.

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Damn - Now I wish i had gotten the 17's! NEW RIMS!!!

Gonna go scour the junkyards pronto.

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Hi, Dennis.
Q45tech wrote:Remember what I said about saving money with no machined lip for clip on weights............using cheaper metal saves even more.


My usual dumb questions: How does one balance a wheel without a lip? Where do the weights attach to? :confused:

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the weights get glued on.

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sultan wrote:the weights get glued on.


I hope you are kidding, right? What kind of glue on a wheel and weight would survive the rotational shear stresses exerted by the wheel spinning? Wouldn't this be a dangerous projectile if it came flying off the wheel? Do the average tire stores/wheel balancing places know how to install glued on weights?

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szhosain wrote:I hope you are kidding, right? What kind of glue on a wheel and weight would survive the rotational shear stresses exerted by the wheel spinning? Wouldn't this be a dangerous projectile if it came flying off the wheel? Do the average tire stores/wheel balancing places know how to install glued on weights?

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The weights are pretty small, I doubt you would have much trouble with it

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Amazing you've never seen this. They're put on with that 3M double-sided tape, super sticky. However, they DO come off, as I can attest to. And they make a hell of a racket when the hit the inside of the wheelwell at 130mph.

They're pretty common, but not the best way at all.

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Only thing you can do with most inexpensive wheels, non oem wheels or modern cheap oem wheels..........they should be ashamed but they count on owners not careing or understanding.

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Dennis - The tire shop has been using stick-ons on my 99 Q chrome alloys. Is the outer lip sufficient for clip ons? Or do they just use the tape weights for convenience?

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AZhitman wrote:Amazing you've never seen this. They're put on with that 3M double-sided tape, super sticky. However, they DO come off, as I can attest to. And they make a hell of a racket when the hit the inside of the wheelwell at 130mph.

They're pretty common, but not the best way at all.


I have to admit that I have not seen stick-on weights or heard of the concept with non-lip rims! I just hope that they are not too dangerous when they fly off at speed ... they may be small, but velocity has a way of equalizing that. Bullets are "small" too!

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AZhitman wrote:They're put on with that 3M double-sided tape, super sticky.


What they are supposed to be using is a 3M product called VHB Tape - Believe it or not - this tape has been around over 20 years ! It is used to replace welds, screws, glues and rivets on a range of materials. The damn stuff is used to replace some welds (used to join truck body panel w/o rivets) if applied properly - and the viscoelastic properties of the foam are a real plus in the tire environment. You can get some small 1X3" pieces at some of the Home Depots and play with it - Incredible stuff ! - Great to have some around to play with, or for that CYA instance -

VHB stands for Very High Bond - Hell, the tag line from the 3M flacks is “Imagine your world without rivets, screws, and welding” Not shilling for ‘em, but I figured a group of mechanically inclined NICO type might get a kick out of a good product if it's new to them.
AZhitman wrote:However, they DO come off, as I can attest to.


I’d have to guess that the installers were a bit less then diligent in prepping the surface of the wheel or getting oil from their hands onto the tape before the weight/tape got applied. The properly applied stuff just lasts - means you cut through the material w/a knife and then scrape or chemically remove the residue to get it off -

As I said, the specs are amazing when used right - There are 9,600 lbs of mirrored ceiling overhead in Chicago’s Midway Airport that are held up w/just this stuff - various forms of it are just what the OEMs use on vehicles for a range of items from trim to ?
Modified by msscomm at 4:35 PM 9/6/2004

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msscomm is correct - it's ALL in the prep.

Use of an alcohol pad prior to application is a must.

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Call me crazy, but the ones on my rims are on the "inside" circumference of the rim, so the centrifugal force of the rotating tire/rim helps hold it in place, right?

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No the hammering on of the weight clip hold the weights on.


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