16" x 8" +6mm offset-Would this require fender rolling?!?

[MarkEmark]

Hey, I never thought I'd post one of the "OMG, will these wheels fit my car bla bla bla" posts but here I am.

I am seriously considering purchasing these wheels:

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/...1.JPG

Which to me are some of the nicest looking wheels I've seen in a very long time. They're forged, 2-piece welded and made by Complete Custom Wheel (very good company), lightweight, all polished, etc etc.

Anyway, they are 16" x 8" with a 4.25" backspacing (which means .25" positive offset which equates to +6.35 mm) and were originally made for Datsun 240Z's.

I'm planning on wrapping the rear wheels with 245/45/16 high performance tires and the fronts with 225/45/16 tires.

I just got KTS coilovers installed, but I know they'll clear them because of the very low offset; that's not the issue. I want to know if I'd need to roll the fenders anywhere in order to allow adequate wheel travel (although with these coilovers there certainly isn't much!). My current wheels, 15" x 7" work ewings with +11 mm offset and 225/50/15 tires (rear) and +17 mm offset with 205/55/15 tires (front) have no clearance issues with anything and there seems to be a good amount of space that the wheels could be moved out laterally without causing rubbing problems. But what I'm looking for is wheels that sit flush. I am very obsessed with having a wheel/tire combo that sits flush with the fenders, and while my work ewings are pretty close to it right now, the tires aren't wide enough and the wheels aren't big enough for my likes.

Anyway, what do you guys think? Will they fit the MASSIVE s14 wheel wells? If the fenders do need to be rolled, how difficult/expensive is it? (I know SPL has a fender roller). What exactly does your standard "rolling" entail anyway---I assume it just gets rid of that little lip and allows a wider fender for the wheels to travel up into.

The wheels will be run with about -1 degree of camber all around.

Here are some pics with the current wheels...

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/...8.JPG

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/...n.jpg

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/...7.JPG

http://nissaninfiniticlub.net/...8.JPG

Thanks in advance from the input of the offset/tire experts

Modified by MarkEmark at 6:50 AM 10/5/2004
Modified by MarkEmark at 6:52 AM 10/5/2004

[Exar-Kun]

they'll stick a bit outa your fender....I'm not positive how much, but they will..rolling the fender/pulling it will help that a bit.

if you run the same wheels size all around, run the same tire size so you can rotate them....seriously.

-chetthey'll fit, but I'd get a more propper offset for a variety of reasons I won't discuss anymore..I already have to the Nth degree.

[BuudWeizErr]

good offset for that size wheel in my opinion.

if you run some camber, I don't think you'll need much, but if you run camber, it won't give the stick out appearance quite as much. Or you can pull. Or do a small combination of both.

[MarkEmark]

they'll stick a bit outa your fender....I'm not positive how much, but they will..rolling the fender/pulling it will help that a bit.

if you run the same wheels size all around, run the same tire size so you can rotate them....seriously.

-chetthey'll fit, but I'd get a more propper offset for a variety of reasons I won't discuss anymore..I already have to the Nth degree.

I did some calculations and determined that the rear wheel/tire will stick out 15 mm more, and the front wheel/tire will stick out 16 mm more (with 215 series tires).

The way I got this is because my rear wheels are + 11 mm offset, tires are 225 mm wide...new wheels would be +6mm offset (5 mm less than old ones) and would have 245 mm wide tires (10 mm wider on each side), so 10+5 = 15 mm. The new front tires would be 215 (5 mm wider on each side than the old one), with +6 mm offset whels (11 mm less than old wheels), so 11+5=16 mm. Looking at the wheel/tire setup right now I think 16 mm more would not present much of a problem...16 mm is only ~ 6/10", that's not much at all.

I WOULD run 245 tires all the way around but if I did that the front wheels/tires would stick out far too much...my front tires/wheels are more flush with the fenders with 205/55/15 tires than my rear wheels/tires, which have 6mm less offset and which have 20 mm wider tires....It seems like the s14 chasis was engineered for a staggered setup.

The problem with my search for 16" wheels is that I have an extremely strict criteria-i'd rather have a little less offset than a little more offset because I can always roll the fender and because I am obsessed with flushness...It's hard finding a 16" wheel that's at least 8" wide, has a 4 x 114.3 bolt pattern, has less than 20 mm offset, has a nice, fat, polished lip, is relatively lightweight, looks good, and is relatively inexpensive. In fact, it's nearly impossible. It took me two full months of comprehensive searching before I got the 15" ones on there right now...

I'll probably be running -1.5 deg. of camber.

Now onto fender rolling---how complicated is it? What's the difference between pulling/rolling? Any pics of the process/finished result?

Thanks...

[MarkEmark]

Just realized that the picture of the wheels didn't work...

Here's a pic so you guys know where I'm coming from...I want these wheels sooo badly.



Mmmm...forged....drooool

[aither]

I rolled my fender with a metal baseball bat (good with a slight drop, stock is too high, and slammed is impossible). Make sure the fender is super warm (a sunny day is a good time to do this), and slowly pry back the fender lip. If you are careful, you can get a slight pull as well. Great looking wheels. I would definitely make them fit, but maybe a 205 to 225/50/16 size all around would be be better?

[MarkEmark]

I rolled my fender with a metal baseball bat (good with a slight drop, stock is too high, and slammed is impossible). Make sure the fender is super warm (a sunny day is a good time to do this), and slowly pry back the fender lip. If you are careful, you can get a slight pull as well. Great looking wheels. I would definitely make them fit, but maybe a 205 to 225/50/16 size all around would be be better?

LOL, i'm not gonna do it with a baseball bat after spending $1100 on suspension and another $1k on wheels...I thought SPL parts sold a fender roller or something?

One of the main reasons I wanted to opt for larger wheels would be so I could get them in a larger width so I could run WIDER tires than what I'm running right now...I'm running 225's in the rear 205's in the front on 7" wide rims, so I want to be running 245's in the rear and 215's in the front for 8" wide rims...I'm not into that whole "stretched" look...I'd rather have a wider tire and more of a contact patch...I'm in it for having traction. Plus, I figure if a regular Porsche boxster can have 255 tires in the rear, and my car's substantially quicker than a porsche boxster, why can't my car have at least 245's in the rear?

[aither]

well, do whatever works for you, but I've invested more than $2k for susp. work and wheels. I'm happy with the way the fender rolling turned out. No waves at all. Also, a 245 would fit better on a 8.5" wheel or wider, from experience, and using that much extra bulge, compared with a 225/50 will decrease the "feel" if not the performance of the wheel/tire set up.

[Nismo_Freak]

LOL, i'm not gonna do it with a baseball bat after spending $1100 on suspension and another $1k on wheels...I thought SPL parts sold a fender roller or something?

Yep we do, we rent it out... it's currently on it's way back to us if you want to jump on it.

BTW, on your tire sizing.

Go with a 235/45/17 - 245/45/17 setup if you want grip.

[MarkEmark]

Yep we do, we rent it out... it's currently on it's way back to us if you want to jump on it.

BTW, on your tire sizing.

Go with a 235/45/17 - 245/45/17 setup if you want grip.

How much does it cost to rent? And how long could I have it for?

I'm going with 16" wheels, but like I said i was planning on getting 245/45/16's in the rear. a 245 tire on an 8" rim would have less "bulge" than a 225 tire on a 7" rim (which i have now), and I haven't noticed anything unwanted about the way my rear tires perform...

[Nismo_Freak]

How much does it cost to rent? And how long could I have it for?

I'm going with 16" wheels, but like I said i was planning on getting 245/45/16's in the rear. a 245 tire on an 8" rim would have less "bulge" than a 225 tire on a 7" rim (which i have now), and I haven't noticed anything unwanted about the way my rear tires perform...

$49 / 1 week.

The 245 will perform better than what you have now... just means you need to go faster

Also, can you resize your sig... it's huge, thanks.

[MarkEmark]

I have no program to resize pictures...so I put a signature that's a smaller pic in there..let me know if it's still too big, i'll just get rid of it all together.

[Altiman94]

looks fine to me

[Nismo_Freak]

I have no program to resize pictures...so I put a signature that's a smaller pic in there..let me know if it's still too big, i'll just get rid of it all together.

Yeah that one looks better, the other one was resizing the thread's width.

[MarkEmark]

Hey Nismo freak...

Do you have any pics of the fender roller you rent?

Does it look anything like this?

http://www.eastwoodco.com/shop...31158

This one can apparently both roll the fenders and flare them if need be...thanks

[Chingon]

looks just like a baseball bat.

[BuudWeizErr]

I used the SPL roller, worked out well. though i did spend some time repairing it because it obviously had some neglect. I'm so glad I had a c ring tool.

just look at it and figure out how it works and you should be golden. and make RI-GODDAM-DICULOUSLY SURE that you heat up the metal before you start pulling, otherwise your fenders will buckle, like mine. mmm... body work time soon.

[Eddie]

I am assuming you had a 15x7 +11 wheel before. If you use the offset calculator, http://toy4two.home.mindspring.com/offset.htmland put 16x7 +11 as you current set up with 16x8 +6 as your new set up the outside edge of the wheel will be extend an extra 18mm not including a 245 width tire. 8in.= 203.2mm so a 245 width tire will have some buldge.

Hope it works out for you. It wold definitely be nice with those wheels.

[Mr. Joshua]

Mark, are you going to be selling your old Work wheels? And if so, for how much? If the price is right, I'd be very interested in buying them.

[MarkEmark]

Chunki Dori--if I DID need to roll my fenders, how would you suggest heating up the metal? A hair dryer seems too weak and a torch, obviously, is too strong.

Eddie-My wheels are 15 x 7 +17mm, with 6 mm spacers in the rear which is where the +11mm comes from.

I'm going to be getting a set of these wheels made up custom...it turns out that the wheels pictured actually had a -6mm offset....4.25" backspace on an 8" wheel is -.25" offset. I didn't realize that in measuring backspace you take into account the lip of back edge of the rim...I thought backspace was measured from inside this lip, which is where they measure the rim width from.

But anyway, Rich Bogart (from bogart racing wheels), a real nice guy by the way, is making me up 4 of these wheels with a 4 7/8" backspace, which is about a +10 mm offset. (apparently bogart and CCW have some relation where Bogart makes some of their wheels)

So he's making up two of the 16" x 8" ones starting next week so I'll get them in like a week and half so I can test fit them and make sure they're alright and see if they'd fit in the front. I'm pretty positive 16" x 8" +10 mm wheels with a 235 tire in the rear WILL FIT and not require fender rolling....because the pictures I have of my rims/tires in the rear have the same offset (essentially) and a tire that's just 5 mm narrower on each side...meaning if I kept the tire size at 225 and the offset at +10 mm, the tire would stick out just as much as it does now, just with less of the "bulge" due to mounting a wide tire on a skinny rim.

The problem is, there does not exist a ultra high performance 235/45/16 tire so I'd either need to go with a 235/50/16, which I didn't want to do, or a 245/45/16 in the rear, which may be too large, or a 225/45/16 in the rear, which is skinnier than i wanted...We'll see...I'll keep you guys posted

Joshua-- i will be selling them. email me with an [email protected]

Keep in mind that i payed $800 for just the rims (and they are soooo hard to find in such nice condition) and that the tires are top of the line and have been used for 1000 miles.