08 using factory mic with Avic??

[RobPaulson]

I have a new 08 ALtima Coupe that i got with a built in bluetooth phone system. I recently had the f700bt installed and realized that an ugly, awkward microphone needs to be installed along with it. Is it possible to use the nice neat hidden mic that was included from the factory?

On a side note, after the install i got in my car (had it done by professionals, at least i hope they are), my phone linked with my old bluetooth system like it was still present. I obviously had no control over it, and nothing came through on the speakers, but it still linked and ganked my phone signal from the handset. Maybe this detail can help someone derive a theory? <shrug>

new to the forums this is my first post, i did search for this but it is a bit of a specific question and I couldnt find anything on built in bluetooth mics.

[LongBeachCoupe]

First post? paulson youve been around!

Dr feelgood will chime in...

[AppleBonker]

I thought about it with mine as well. I'm assuming the Avic has a mini plug connecting the mic to the HU? That's how it is on the Alpine. I would have to find a way to determine which of the three wires is which in the factory mic (grey, black and red - see pic below). Then these would need to be terminated with a mini connector. I haven't finished the interior of my car yet, so I haven't looked into this completely. If I get anywhere with it, I'll let you know.

[AppleBonker]

Oh yeah, the phone still linked because they likely didn't remove the bluetooth module from the trunk (they have no reason to). In fact, if you want to install a steering wheel control interface, the module must remain connected for the steering wheel buttons to work. Unfortunately, none of this has anything to do with the mic. ..

[rjdmmfl1]

Apple Bonker is correct regarding the bluetooth module... its needs to stay connected to use the steering wheel interface and it is still in your trunk!!!! I relaized this when I was trying to get my steering wheel interface to work... I forgot I disconnected my bluetooth interface from the trunk

In any case, you guys are missing one thing about the mic... yes, it is ugly, but you can hide that inside dome light/ sunglasses apparatus apple bonker showed above... makes for a very clean install... although the pioneer's microphone is NOT as good as the factory one's. so it may have difficulty hearing you if your voice is not prohected at the mic...

I installed my mic for my Kenwood on the steering wheer facing me... works flawlessly and folks on the phone say my voice is VERY clear!
Modified by rjdmmfl1 at 11:27 AM 7/17/2008

[RobPaulson]

First post? paulson youve been around!

Dr feelgood will chime in...

yeah i copy/pasted this from another forum i posted it in . . its not another altima forum but i know how touchy linking other boards is so im gona leave that one alone.

just forgot to reread it haha

another general problem is that i DID NOT do this install myself. I am having professionals do it. I am taking it back today because my sub has no power at the moment, so they are going to look at that. but they did not seem too interested in working with me to get this mic working.

-APPLEBONKER-but someone mentioned that the bluetooth unit is seperate from the bose head unit that is in the dash. this could be assumed considering my phone linked when the head unit was removed. This being said, is that a picture of the bluetooth unit? (at second glance it looks like the overhead lights thing, is that where the mic is? i just noticed the slits in my own car there)

[RobPaulson]

I installed my mic for my Kenwood on the steering wheer facing me... works flawlessly and folks on the phone say my voice is VERY clear!

if its not too much could you throw up a simple pic of how this looks?

they installed my mic right in front of my MPG/etc display on my dash so its a bit awkward and in the way. just curious where exaclty you put it.

Thanks doc!

[AppleBonker]

-APPLEBONKER-but someone mentioned that the bluetooth unit is seperate from the bose head unit that is in the dash. this could be assumed considering my phone linked when the head unit was removed. This being said, is that a picture of the bluetooth unit? (at second glance it looks like the overhead lights thing, is that where the mic is? i just noticed the slits in my own car there)

The bluetooth module is in the trunk under the styrofoam. You are correct. That is the dome light cluster. The mic is the black box that is kind of hard to see (the wires coming off of it are wrapped in that gray foam stuff). It may be possible to use this, but I would need to determine what the wires are. I'll have to consult my service manual when I get home tonight.

[AppleBonker]

After looking at the service manual, this may be possible. If I have read the manual correctly, the red wire (4) supplies 5V when in ACC on position, the black (2) wire is ground, and the grey (1) wire pics up the signal. It would just be a matter of finding out how this correlates with the mini input on your HU. You would probably need to check this with a voltmeter on your specific head unit. Once I have mine out I'll check it, but it wont do you much good as I have an Alpine.

[RobPaulson]

The problem is that Pioneer uses a crappy passive mic, whereas the OEM's use an active mic. Also, the F-Series is looking for a certain resistance to the microphone, and plugging something that is drastically different in may not only result in poor sound quality, but could also damage the unit.

That said, I do have a microphone out of an Audi that is almost identical to the type of hardware BMW is using, so I may see what happens if it's specs are close enough that it won't do any damage.

I'm right there with you though, my last Acura and Audi both had built-in Bluetooth and the sound quality was phenomenal. If Pioneer had chosen to supply a high quality mic, and designed the F-Series to take advantage of that quality, this would all be a moot point.

this is from a diff forum, seems interesting . . . you may want to think again before just trying this, given the above info.

I am going to just deal with the ugly stupid mic for now and just move it to a more subtle location.

[AppleBonker]

this is from a diff forum, seems interesting . . . you may want to think again before just trying this, given the above info.

I am going to just deal with the ugly stupid mic for now and just move it to a more subtle location.

One should be able to only connect the wire for the signal, and leave the stock power location and ground connected as-is. The only concern would then be the signal/signal strength. I cannot image that this would damage the unit. Once I get around to it I'm going to try it. If it does damage the unit, I guess I'll try to let the warranty take care of it, or I'm looking at a new Alpine IVA-W505 then. I think I should be able to get this to work, and I'm hoping that would provide decent sound quality as well as being hidden from view.

[RobPaulson]

One should be able to only connect the wire for the signal, and leave the stock power location and ground connected as-is. The only concern would then be the signal/signal strength. I cannot image that this would damage the unit. Once I get around to it I'm going to try it. If it does damage the unit, I guess I'll try to let the warranty take care of it, or I'm looking at a new Alpine IVA-W505 then. I think I should be able to get this to work, and I'm hoping that would provide decent sound quality as well as being hidden from view.

that would be awesome man, let me know how it goes and GL!!!!

[rjdmmfl1]

After looking at the service manual, this may be possible. If I have read the manual correctly, the red wire (4) supplies 5V when in ACC on position, the black (2) wire is ground, and the grey (1) wire pics up the signal. It would just be a matter of finding out how this correlates with the mini input on your HU. You would probably need to check this with a voltmeter on your specific head unit. Once I have mine out I'll check it, but it wont do you much good as I have an Alpine.

where did you learn your colors???

those colors are 1-white, 2-Red, and 3-Black... NIssan doesn't use logic when they color code their wires, they are what they are... also, the wires change color from connector to connector... you must make sure you are looking at the LAST connector going directly to the microphone.. if you look upstream further in the path from the BLUETooth unit in the trunk, there's a good chance the colors are different!

[AppleBonker]

where did you learn your colors???

those colors are 1-white, 2-Red, and 3-Black... NIssan doesn't use logic when they color code their wires, they are what they are... also, the wires change color from connector to connector... you must make sure you are looking at the LAST connector going directly to the microphone.. if you look upstream further in the path from the BLUETooth unit in the trunk, there's a good chance the colors are different!

Ha! I do realize how mental that appeared. However, check the pic I posted further up the thread (of the actual map light housing with the microphone visible). You can follow the wire grouping back to the connector. Here is where the wires are visible and have the colors that I mentioned. Guess I should've referenced that previous picture better. I'm assuming the white/red/black are on the other side of that connector (sandwiched between the white plastic and the exterior plastic in my pic) and the color codes on the wiring diagram are accurate there. I was merely using the wiring diagram to point out what the wires did. Sorry for any confusion that might have caused.