00 MUSTANG AUTO V6, Can I win??

Post by **trpower7** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Stock 00 Mustang automatic V6 with about 30K miles on it vs. 92 240SX 5 speed w/150K on it (still runs strong).

My friend just bought one of these and says it'll smoke me any day of the week. Tonight we race. Do I win, or lose terribly??? Also, use this thread to convince him that this car is a POS and should be gotten rid of ASAP. By the way, the stang has 190 HP and 220 ft/lbs stock, but weighs almost four hundred pounds more. Plus it's an automatic. What's the verdict?

Post by **Daunttless** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Do both of you weigh the same, or are you lighter or heavier TR?

Post by **Daunttless** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

The mustangs don't have as much power as they are quoted to put out. As long as you weigh about the same that he does, you'll win. The automatic is extremely slushy on the 6, and doesn't take advantage of the full powerband. If it actually did have 190hp it should run comparable times, but it doesn't, and its auto, I'd put it at mid to high 16s. You should be running mid-high 15s to low 16s. You'll probably win, but not by too much. : )

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Hmm, how much lb-ft does your 240SX have?His autotranny should cost him some lb-ft compared with a manual but he is a 220 lb-ft..Even though you are lighter (by how much?) you would need at least a proportional equality in lb-ft (per weight) to hope for a win..

The newer 6's in 'stangs are quite a bit better than they used to be too...

I am afraid you might lose but at least not badly.But should be close enough it's worth trying.

Fred...

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Personally i wouldn't be surprised if he won... chances are he wont wit the auto, but don't take it easy because as soon as he get to forth gear he'll be pulling harder than u will.. dont bet money on this race...

Post by **Daunttless** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Also, its always a good plan to point out price differences. : ) With the money he spent, you could have 500 horsepower and the kit of your choice with a 5k paintjob. : )

Post by **ninjak84** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

my friend tyler has a brand new 2002 Mustang srs (or sts?) and it is an automatic.i have a 1992 240sx, standard, and i beat him.its going to be a close one though, but i'll be greatly disappointed if ya dont take him out!

Post by **ninjak84** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

if i can do it, you can do it!

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Your best bet is to convince him to put the car in neutral at the line... tell him he'll get a better hole shot.. but of course we all know that he wont with an auto... going from neutral to drive on an auto is slow and you loose lots of power....

Post by **Dystopia** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

if you can dive somewhat decent you can beat him. i beat my friends no problem.

Post by **MaineExport** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

I drove a rental 99 'stang V6 auto convertable.... really doggy off the line, but picked up better than my 240 from 50mph and up.

Post by **Spectre** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

v6 mustangs are jokes. I already beat one with my bone stock 95(s14s are heavy). If you're manual and he's auto, bet him some cash. Just check for stealth mods.

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

I would laugh at anyone who is willing to spend money on modding a 6 cylinder Mustang............

Post by **maxnix** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Hopefully he will preload his automatic by braking the car and revving it in drive for a few minutes before you race (off public streets, of course).

If you don't beat him the first time, keep running him until you do.

You will soon win all the time if he uses that technique consistently and the ATF isn't allowed to cool.

Post by **trpower7** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Bad news boys, just found out his dad was messing with him and it was actually a 5-speed. I'm in for a raping aren't I.

Post by **Daunttless** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Not if he isn't a good driver. If you get a better launch you should still be able to take him. : ) Especially if he's a bad driver to boot. The only bonus of the automatic is you won't miss a shift. : )

Post by **MaineExport** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Well... that and an auto can shift faster than humanly possible! But that does no good with the lousy shift points..... One of those Herst shifters in an auto mustang wouldn't be bad though..

Post by **ninjak84** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

i kind of disagree, KIND OF...if i can sqeaul my tires going into second, and my car puts out under 200hp, then why is it that my friends auto 220hp cant squeal his tires when he punches it?my thought was this: because its standard, more power is sent more directly to the flywheel and as a result, faster acceleration.

im going out on a limb though....

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Yes... yes u are...

Post by **MaineExport** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Squeeling the tires has nothing to do with shift "speed". The auto can't squeel it's tires because RPMs are lost as the gearbox shifts, more so than a standard tranny, but none the less the actual gear change occurs much faster in an auto. Even though RPMs are dropping the wheels receive a nearly constant push, so there is no sudden shot of power to them as the new gear engauges. It just can't "dump" the clutch like you can with a standard. Chirping the tires into second also doesn't equate to faster acceleration, you've just dumped more power than you needed to, to get it into gear.

For example, my friend has a 2001 Grand Prix V6 ram-Air auto. It has more power than my 240, it has a quicker 1/4 mile than mine, but he can't light up the tires AT ALL! I can get a full burn through first, and a decent squeel out of second. There are, however, a lot of auto trannies that will squeel tires because of better shift points, and lots of HP!

Post by **ninjak84** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

i see, now i get it

Post by **Daunttless** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

A lot of drag supras can squeel their tires with auto tranny's. : )

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

But driving standard also means you can shift through the dears faster and with more control and precision than an auto.. thats why they generally have faster acceleration times.. auto waste alot of power in it's auto gearbox..

Post by **ninjak84** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

and you can choose to let your engine rev higher when its stick.i love the 7,000 redline!!!!:D

Post by **FrEaK** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

mmmmm revs....

Post by **boMex** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

The faster car doesn't always win. The better driver doesn't always win. Lady luck is fickle. Race and see. If you win, good. If you lose, good. A loss is a lesson. Learn from the lesson.

Post by **boMex** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 10:04 am

Most auto drag cars have a performance torque converter whichmakes a big difference and also makes them useless to drive on the street.

00 MUSTANG AUTO V6, Can I win??

00 MUSTANG AUTO V6, Can I win??

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