OH SNAP SON!

you just got served

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listen up jackass

I may be doing this on a budget, but dont talk down to me. there is a BIG difference between doing something ON A BUDGET and doing it to be CHEAP. I dont have to have the biggest and the best because to be blunt, I dont NEED the biggest and the best. If the internal gate on my IHI turbo is maxed at 450whp, GREAT! ill never reach it.

1) the 100$ ebay manifolds DONT EVEN FIT. so bracing them is the least of the problems

2) for the relativley low power goals i have there is no need to go to a tube manifold/external gate. I'm not trying to squeeze every single horsepower out of the car. i have a goal, im going to reach it.

3) im not spending the money on an external gate because im in the middle of a racing points series here in arizona where the last weekend at the track i spent 700$ between tires, entry fees and travel. my next event is in 2 weeks so i have to do it again. If i want to finish this before the season ends and let me be competetive with the top guys (I'm tied for 3rd, the other people above me are all 330whp+) i cant have this project take me 8 months to complete because i spent 2000$ on a tube manifold or it took full race 3 weeks to add an external wastegate to my stock manifold.

4) i made this thread for suggesions. while yours are ignorant, i will still listen to them. I have no first hand experience doing an upgraded turbo on a RB25 for what i do, so i ask my community for suggestions.

dont be a prick.

LOL you got served hahahaha

i made a good suggestion, just remember you said

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I have no first hand experience.

so dont talk down to me about my suggestions. you DONT know what a good idea is. i tried to be helpful, and i'm the prick? hmmmm. ok...... i'll leave it at that....

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let me reitterate my point. budget setup that will get me 400whp.

let me reitterate what you told me. "stop being a cheapass you should have gone sr20" maybe in your twisted mind thats helpfull, but i took that as an attack because im trying to do things on a limited budget because this is the beginning of my racing season.

the reason i made this thread was for input from other members for a well rounded budget 400whp setup. you obviously cant see what im going for, so just stop giving me your "advice".

p.s. way to take 3 sentences out of context.

i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego.
kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.

there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built.
"rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster.

really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFO
just a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know.

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money=whp?

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i bet you have a really incredibly enormous...ego. kamin, forget dumb people. youre a mod. everyone is a big man on the keyboard. im sure itll all work out for the best, and good luck with what direction you decide to pursue.

nope, no ego at all, my car is beat up but it's fun and i want more. sorry you didn't agree, and that i kind of got offended because he treated my idea like i had leoprosy or something. irregrardless of your closed minded opinion it would work and i am waiting on the same parts for my car as we speak, as i have similar interests in what i do with my car.

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there is a thing i always tell people about any of the cars ive ever built. "rarely does a 300whp 2800lb car feel slow" the more responsive car is always faster.

this is true but a 300 hp 2800lb car only feels fast for so long, then it's time to go up. if i put a 35r on my car i'll be able to make 400whp on pump and that is what i want. if i want more i can put race gas in the car and probably make about 550-600. i drive my car on the street and need to run pump most of the time. i have a gt35r on my 2liter integra and actually you would be suprised by how fast it spools, its totally driveble but you can only have so much fun with that much power hitting the ground from the wrong end of the car...

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really people, if you want to give advice when its asked, give it. if not, GTFO just a waste of time. and dont be offended when someone with 18 posts gets beat down by someone with 3000 plus. i bet more people are going to side with the one they know.

i didn't get beat down i just stopped checking this thread because i thought originally, that it would be open to ideas, not that he just wanted approval on what was already in his mind, and there is nothing wrong with that, if that is how he wants to do his car, by all means do it. a smaller turbo at 18-20 lbs might be ok on pump, or, if you run fuel all of the time anyway then i guess its a non issue. you will probably meet your power goal that way, a buddy of mine has a gts-4 corrado with a 2liter 20 valve hybrid motor and he runs a garrett gt30r on it, he has to run race fuel to run above 20psi and at 15 the car only lays down 325 to the wheels. i know that with the extra displacement of the engine in my 240 a 35r would spool the same as the 30r does on his 2 liter car and i could more than likely pull 400 off on pump with ease and that is what i want for my car. i understand if my opinions arent welcome here because i dont have as many posts as you guys but i just chalk my lack of posts up to the fact that most of my time is spent in my shop after work or driving one of my cars. i dont have a job where i can be on the net during the day... sorry... my post count will always be down...

my direction, responsive 300whp and then learn to drive. i think that is something that everyone here could benifit from. next spring if i can swing it i am going to try to get some driving lessons. then more track time.

i think that really there is going to be something compromised no matter what you decide to go with. if there were a perfect setup, everyone would be using it. the less stressed parts are, the longer they last, and imho, that would be number one on my list. best of luck. and kamin, if you end up trying a dozen different turbos, be sure to pass the love on down to some fellow rb owners... . im personally looking at a bb garrett 30 series. so many different choices.

-Bluefire

-Bluefire

fuel - walboro 255lph, Nismo FPR
Cooling - Koyo, 2 12" perma cool fans, some custom ducting and blocking plates
Drivetrain - RPS MAX clutch (sprung 6 puck), Kaaz 1.5way differential

+1 for the gt30r and +1 for the aem ems.

the AEM price means nothing for me, I am an AEM dealer at work.

the PFC and AEM will cost about the same.

OK well that settles that, you buy both give me the other, we both test them and see which works better.... I see no flaw in that plan lol.

Is the EMS plug and play for the rb20 and 25?

No you need a laptop to upload the maps base for each.

he is probably asking if its a plug and play replacement for the factory computer (no wiring), if so, yes. it plugs into the stock harness with no wiring modification unless you change to a MAP sensor.

MAF sensors are gay.

and yea, i wouldnt event consider the EMS if i had to pay somewhere near retail. i dont NEED that much adjustability for only 400hp lol

any chance we could work something out for an ems that cheap?

You're ghetto if you do that... lol
Anyway you still need to set base timing and calibrate the TPS with the aem. I guess you could lug the whole computer outside if you needed to...

The PFC is truely PNP the aem is almost PNP.

since its the week before SEMA i havent spent a dime haha, im not in a hurry for this upgrade lol

but i might be going an entirely different direction that would involve removal of the RB all together and something else going in