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 « Re: (SX Enthusia)


Quote, originally posted by SX Enthusia »

so i can import this rx7

http://www.japan-partner.com/A....html

and only have to worry about the emissions???


I think it's more a matter of, it's legal to import it via a Registered Importer and have them do the emissions and NHTSA safety stuff (glass, headlights, side-impact beams, bumpers, etc) without having to do crash-tests.



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 « Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)


how difficult would it be just to buy one and drive it here from canada? i mean its not lke they are hunting down skylines...right? there is no way im going to buy a $9,000 car and spend god knows how much legalizing it, how much is it to get it legalized by the way?
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Ummm, you still have to cross the border and register the car.

Please read the beginning of the thread.



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I also did a whole lot of research on this and as far as I can remember, any Skyline that was manufactured for the Canadian market is OK to import, correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember the CFR saying this. Also, when did they ban all Skylines, I was doing my research about 3 months ago and the 1/96 to 6/98 cars were still Ok to Import, you just have to use a RI and do the mods, if thats changed would one of you please provide the link, I would like to read it.
I do know of another way to find out what mods need to be done, just compare a JDM one against a imported one from Motorex, there wasn't really that much you had to do, stickers were a main thing, windshield, dash, doors, smog, controls and I believe re-anchoring some of the seat belt harness'. The crash test reports are up on the NHTSA site for all to read, so if you know a automobile engineer that can interpret them, your half way there. And wouldn't you think that the confidentially agreement would have an expiration date? And would it still be valid after what happened to Motorex? I still think that this can be LEGALLY DONE. I know the roadblocks are hefty, but the payoff would be nice too. If anyone wants to talk more about this I have all the crash test results printed out and most of the CFR Reg's. If a team of like minded people work on this together, we could get er done, and make lots of people's dreams come true. Let me know guy's. We won't get anywhere unless we try.

Here's a link to the page that talks about importing Canadian cars:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html

Modified by roadrunr at 9:24 PM 5/9/2007

Modified by roadrunr at 9:25 PM 5/9/2007

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1. Skylines don't count under the Canadian Market category...they were never manufactured for the Canadian market. They're currently legal there because their "collector market" law changed from 25 years or older like ours, to just 15.

2. Yes, the 96-99 R33's still have an allowable listing with the NHTSA, but... It's not just *any* R.I. that can bring them over and covert them....each R.I. has to prove their converstion process and get specific permission. While on paper you'd think that's not a hard process, but thanks to the crap Motorex pulled, the whole Skyline model is like unofficially blacklisted and there's currently no R.I. with the converstion authorization (that I'm aware of).

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the confidential part of converting the skyline was not motorex work... it was JK Technology.. they did all the paper work and crash testing.. if you read the documents it is there name one it, so they own it



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Newb on here, but not in general. I have just finished reading every post in this 9 freakin' page thread. I have a '92 R32 here in JP (military) and was considering the possibility of shipping it home in a year or two when I'm out of here and and just letting it sit in a garage till it's 25th Bday. Would it be fairly simple to register legaly then, or would I still run into all the same problems? I don't mind letting it sit with the occasional late night joy ride--and the possibility somebody might figure out a way in the mean time/laws might change.

BTW--is that you Nelson?




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Welcome aboard, CJ, and thanks for serving.

Unfortunately, they've addressed military importations as well - not gonna fly.

Now, storing it in JP until it's 25 would be a great solution... Good idea.

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Thanks for the welcome.

Storing it over here isn't all that easy, especially over a long period of time. No where on base would be safe for that long, and parking off base is hard enough to find, let alone long term storage. If you were to dissasmble and part it home, than reassemble and let it sit, would that circumvent the process, or do you need proof that it was legaly brought into the country to get it registered on it's 25th?

Even if that works, I would still probably pull the drive train, than buy an older R32 just to get it all over with a few years sooner. I could probably sell the RB20 drivetrain too. You can get RB20'd R32's here in pretty good shape bone stock for $1500-$2500.

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Yeah, they address bringing a car over in pieces as well. Actually, the statute speaks VERY specifically to that.
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Hey Greg,

Just a quick question. Couldn't someone, who wants to register a car after the 25 years, buy a Canadian R33 for 15-20K, and store it in the US for the next 8 or 9 years? You could even drive it off-road only, and make sure it's maintained well? The only reason I bring this up is that once the 25 years is up we'll have more troubles. For instance, there will be less Skylines by then (mostly because of the Japanese inspection laws), the Canadian market price will be artificially inflated due to higher demand, and the cars will be higher mileage. These are just some thoughts I had. I would, as much as anyone else on here, like to have a legit Skyline. In my situation, being only 20 years old, I can be happy with my 240 for 8-9 years, and get an R33 when they are legal here. It's just not worth it to drive an illegal car.

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Probably... Keep in mind it may cause some hassles coming through Customs, but once it's here, and it just sits, there's not much anyone can do about it.

Altho storage fees would be as much as the car is worth.

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as many noobs (i guess) i've got al link to this thread.

man, you just destroyed my dreams


anyways.
if r32 skylines are illegal in the us in general,
how comes that there are always some on ebay???
and the owners claim that the are legal?

i don't get it.

is it as hard to import any japanese car?
fd's, fc's, s13's, s14's???

please tell me it's "just" the skyline.


one more thing about that topic.
where in the world is it legal to get an skyline to the road?
(besides japan of course...)

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Australia, and England i know for sure...
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so i've read this thread.

there was a guy who had the regulations (roadrunr... will send him pm) what you would have to change,
to get the car street legal in the states.

can i have those?

i'm an automotive engineer...
this can't be so hard, can it?
i mean someone has done it before, it's not like flying without wings *lol*

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Quote, originally posted by Bierbaumer »
so i've read this thread.

there was a guy who had the regulations (roadrunr... will send him pm) what you would have to change,
to get the car street legal in the states.

can i have those?

i'm an automotive engineer...
this can't be so hard, can it?
i mean someone has done it before, it's not like flying without wings *lol*

Yes it has been done.. the only one able to be legal as a skyline is the 96-98 model and there is a par of the conversation that is confiditial-so you can't find out what needs to be done.. all the crash test data is is in the docket 5507(don;t quote me on that it is in here sevel times)-- if you could look at it an analyze it and say what needs to be done- great.. good luck

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All the legal info you need is on page 1.

I've said it 8 billion times - if it could be done legally, I'd have one.

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Quote, originally posted by AZhitman »
All the legal info you need is on page 1.

I've said it 8 billion times - if it could be done legally, I'd have one.

it can be done... you just need that confidently dis-closer so you can modify the car to pass

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Hi guys,

Gee I thought Australian regs were tough! I've attached a pic of my R34, will post some of the others later.

Has anyone tried petitioning the Federal govt. to get the restrictions on importing Skylines lifted? I don't mean taking them to court, just lobbying the govt. so they re-visit it and use a bit of common sense. Surely there could be a way of restricting numbers so that the car makers over there don't get their knickers in a knot???

There are some vehicle importers here in Australia who've done very nicely out of the business, (myself included) who would probably be interested in working through the processes necessary to get Skylines on the road if more models other than the R33 were available. If you're wondering why Aussies might be interested in setting something up - we've already jumped through a similar set of hoops getting imported cars on the road here, so many of the skills already learnt may well help over your way.

Just a thought...

Cheers
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Holy crap, thats a long 9+ pages of reading material! Well, it seems like I wont be driving a truly legal skyline anytime soon....

Well...looks like one of us has to win the lottery and see if we can change some peoples minds about blacklisting the skyline.





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I know huh...all this talk...just petition...and not waste your breath on asking questions on how to legalize the skyline; when everyone (or the same guys) has already stated the answer with good reason. If you want a skyline and don't care to have it "federally legal" convert it. That or wait...just sit around so someone else can do the work...but don't complain while you wait...
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Several have petitioned it.

Typical government bureaucracy.

If anyone cares to know which political party EVERY opposition comes from, I'll be glad to give you a hint, but I'm not interested in making a political thread about it.

Just keep this in mind when you go VOTE: The same pinheads pushing higher CAFE standards, spouting off about global warming, are the same folks who oppose the importation of Skylines.

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Are the "handful" of r34 gtr's that were legalized by motorex (illegally) still legal? As in the few that did slip by are they actually registered titled and legal for road use, and insurable? If so....how could i find them?
and the same goes for the Z-tune r34 (limit 20)...if imported into the US would the z-tune comply and be legal?
Any information would be a great help
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The ones that Motorex did are fine. They are, however, highly sought-after, and their price reflects it.

Most aren't for sale.

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have you ever seen one for sale? and what kind of price range?80 or 100...120? is there a list of motorex legalized cars..or is this gonna be one of those you have to know somebody that knows somebody kind of things

and how many r34's were legalized by motorex? ive heard numbers ranging from 2 to 7 to 11, does anyone really know?

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I've seen a couple for sale, but they typically are sold via word-of-mouth... No need to list on ebay.

My business partner owns a Motorex R33 GTR, but it's not for sale.

Considering they were all $60K or more, and they're not depreciating, 'd say that's the LEAST you'd get one for (if you could find one).

For that kind of money you could build something else that would eat it for dinner.

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well i would offer 90k for a motorex r34 skyline (pref blue)...if you know anyone that would be interested in that i can allways be contacted at 713-819-5745 or ryanmblair@gmail.com i would also be interested in a motorex r32 gtr gunmetal in good condition.....if i liked the r33 i would buy that silver one for sale on the forums..i just...it just...has no emotional tug like the r32 and r34 especially
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I agree, I'm not a big fan of the 33.

Although, a Motorex R34 GT-R will cost you significantly more than $90K.

Hell, just buy Lieberman's car, it's been for sale forever. We'll even help you "de-rice" it.

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what is leiberman selling i can't find the post?

i don't think i could swing much more then 90k for a used 60k car..i wish i never saw a skyline and could be content with other things

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 « Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)


Ohell yea he was on a role

Quote, originally posted by l31nismo »
You just validated my point. They share a chassis. The Maxima and Altima share a chassis, are they the same car.....NO! The 350 has the same chassis as the G35, Is the 350 also a Skyline then? Is a 1.8S Sentra the same as an SER Spec-V? Is a Sylvia the same as an American 240SX? Is a Mustang LX the same as a Saleen S281 just because the bodies are similar? NO!!! But by your reasoning my 02 Altima is actually a Maxima, which would actually be an Infiniti I35, so I should stop telling people I own a Altima and call it an I35 instead. Maybe I can sell it for more when I'm ready to by my G35, which according to you is actually a Skyline so then my dream car would actually be that much closer to reality, Gee thanks for clearing that up for me.The skyline has the RB25DETT and the G35 has the VQ35DE. Two different motors. ie...It's not a skyline. There are major differences between the cars. Any purist would know that the G35 is not a damn Skyline. You wanna argue with that? I've got all night, let's see who runs out of facts first..........

P.S. I'm now Selling my 2002 Nissan Infiniti AltiMaxI35 for any form of 350 Z35 Skyline.......... Note the hostile sarcasm.
Modified by l31nismo at 7:03 PM 3/11/2006


Modified by l31nismo at 7:09 PM 3/11/2006

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 « Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (S13DRFTKID)


Oh, let's please not bring that debate up again...PLEASE.


The G35 is the U.S. eqivelent to the Japanese V35 Skyline.

End of argument.




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Quote, originally posted by AZhitman »
I've seen a couple for sale, but they typically are sold via word-of-mouth... No need to list on ebay.

Strangely enough, I first saw the one I got on eBay.

He'd just put it up, so I emailed him my phone number.
Called a couple hours later.
One hour after that, we hung up and I paypal'd him a deposit.

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Quote, originally posted by Count Zero »

Strangely enough, I first saw the one I got on eBay.

He'd just put it up, so I emailed him my phone number.
Called a couple hours later.
One hour after that, we hung up and I paypal'd him a deposit.

your such a baller

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Noob here and this is my first post...

I own my own motorsports business and I do alot of open track road racing. I just recently experienced the thrill of a R34 GTR Vspec on the track, and there are very few words to explain the way it feels.

Now my question is importing a skyline just for show/road racing/shop car. What type, if any, problems will I have with customs/importing an R34 for off road use? I will mainly use it for testing over the next coming years for open track racing. I would like to start offering products for the R34/RB26 and maybe the 33 and 32. It's such a versatile platform to build on and I would love to start using it in the states for track days and research.

Thank you,
-Trevor Johnson

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Hi Trevor, welcome aboard!

All info for track importation can be found in those legal docs cited in the first page... Basically, it's a LOT easier doing what you want to do.

There's a TON of yahoos selling "registered" Skylines, they're not Federalized, and you're good to go as a shop / race / show car.

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Awesome! That's exactly what I wanted to hear! Anything that I need to look out for as far as GTR's go? I know there have been people out there that badge them to look like GTR's , are there any other skyline's out there that are NOT AWD based? Or is that the only skyline to have the AWD setup?

-Trevor

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Quote, originally posted by USsil80 »

your such a baller

Unbelievably, stupidly lucky, more like.
(with a touch of "determined" on the side)
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Quote, originally posted by Magical Trevor »
Awesome! That's exactly what I wanted to hear! Anything that I need to look out for as far as GTR's go? I know there have been people out there that badge them to look like GTR's , are there any other skyline's out there that are NOT AWD based? Or is that the only skyline to have the AWD setup?

-Trevor


If it's not a RB26 (not 25) with the ATTESSA-ETS, then it's not a GT-R.
The only Skyline to offer AWD other than the GT-R was the R32 GT-4, which ran the ATTESSA tranny but only a RB20DET motor.

The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R.

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Quote, originally posted by Count Zero »

If it's not a RB26 (not 25) with the ATTESSA-ETS, then it's not a GT-R.
The only Skyline to offer AWD other than the GT-R was the R32 GT-4, which ran the ATTESSA tranny but only a RB20DET motor.

The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R.

real way to check is by chassis codes

if BNR32 is part of the vin # then its a GTR
if HNR32 is part of the vin # then its a GTS-4

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 « Re: (Count Zero)


Quote, originally posted by Count Zero »

If it's not a RB26 (not 25) with the ATTESSA-ETS, then it's not a GT-R.
The only Skyline to offer AWD other than the GT-R was the R32 GT-4, which ran the ATTESSA tranny but only a RB20DET motor.

The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R.

The R32 GTS-4's had a front torque guage as well.

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