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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
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I almost did, just to avoid the stupid emissions we have here (for now).I know many people who live down there. It's easy. Hell, I know people who live here and title and register their cars there, to avoid personal property tax. Again, easy. No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida. But the point remains, per NHTSA, the only Federally legal Skylines in the US are the ones that came through Motorex. A state-issued title does NOT over-ride Federal regulations.
That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved. And you've yet to EVER answer the one simple question, no matter how many times it gets asked: How do you import your cars? In pieces or as an assembled, fully-running vehicle?
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They ALL do that, Count.They think they're the ONLY ones with the "ancient JDM secret". Hell, the guys here in AZ do the same thing, and I laugh at them. The fact is, it's simply not worth the hassle for the state-employed retards at the DMV to cause a ruckus over...
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celm
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6-19-2006
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| « Re: (Count Zero) | 5:29 AM 4/8/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » | | I almost did, just to avoid the stupid emissions we have here (for now). I know many people who live down there. It's easy. Hell, I know people who live here and title and register their cars there, to avoid personal property tax. Again, easy. No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida. But the point remains, per NHTSA, the only Federally legal Skylines in the US are the ones that came through Motorex. A state-issued title does NOT over-ride Federal regulations.
That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved. And you've yet to EVER answer the one simple question, no matter how many times it gets asked: How do you import your cars? In pieces or as an assembled, fully-running vehicle?
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i answered it many times and u did not read.FULL RUNNING!! and doing a title transfer of a JDM car that allready has a title from anothere state is simple, all you do is have the title take the car to the Tax office and for them to verify the vin and thats its,title is transfered( im refering to my state only).im talking about its initial title.meaning when u have the car and the jsp de-reg,Thats what im talking about.if you think yuo can just take the car and bring the de-reg and they will just title it.I dont think so!!!! so thats why im saying get the thought out of your head that its easy to do the initial titling of a JDM car in fl.
Modified by celm at 8:59 AM 4/8/2007
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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
St. Louis MO
11-23-2006
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So you only deal with cars that someone else has already brought in to the country?Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people.
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celm
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6-19-2006
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| « Re: (Count Zero) | 3:57 PM 4/9/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » | | So you only deal with cars that someone else has already brought in to the country? Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people. |
99% of the cars i do,arent even mine.i didnt even import them, if i sell a car it was a car i was driving around for a few months.and its registered and insured and the whole nine yards.when do u see me ever listing cars for sale,maybe once every six months...
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turtle600rr
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8-19-2005
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| « Re: (C33LaurelRacer) | 5:10 PM 4/10/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » | | Frank (celm) and Jon (turtle) Does it even bother you one bit that you are selling cars to people that aren't even legal? I don't care what you say, "Oh, it's state legal and here is what the NHTSA says..." blah, blah, blah. You are getting money from someone who is trusting you to get a car that they want. If they are like, "I don't care if it's not 'Legal', just get me one", dosen't it get on your conscience just a little bit? I couldn't do that to someone, you know, take thousands of dollars and say, "here ya go, pal, best of luck", which, in a sense, is what you are doing. I guess if you are ok with it, who am I to argue with you. |
dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah. -sorry admins im just going to get something straight. my cars are NOT kit cars- i bring my cars through a race team, cars like the D1 cars... they dont take those cars apart they bring them in as a WHOLE car, i just stick my cars with the same container, and they give me a time limit to get the cars registered... goddam...

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Gold Digger
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| « Re: (turtle600rr) | 7:48 PM 4/10/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » | dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah. -sorry admins im just going to get something straight. my cars are NOT kit cars- i bring my cars through a race team, cars like the D1 cars... they dont take those cars apart they bring them in as a WHOLE car, i just stick my cars with the same container, and they give me a time limit to get the cars registered... goddam... |
Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars. If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation. I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars. I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this? Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum.
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USsil80
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| « Re: (C33LaurelRacer) | 10:31 PM 4/10/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » | Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum. | \ and that goes for saying any skyline that isn't a 96-98 legal in this country... the docket put forth aid they are the only ones that are legal to drive on the street( WITH MODIFICATIONS )... if i take one of your cars to the cops for inspection am i going to get it back or am i going to watch a very expensive show as it gets crushed
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turtle600rr
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8-19-2005
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| « Re: (C33LaurelRacer) | 6:49 PM 4/12/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » | Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars. If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation. I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars. I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this? Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum. |
ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect...
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celm
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6-19-2006
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| « Re: (turtle600rr) | 6:53 PM 4/12/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » | ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect... |
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AZhitman
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 None of this is to say that I would pass up an R32 GT-R or GTS-T at the right price.... 
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Gold Digger
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| « Re: (turtle600rr) | 6:50 PM 4/13/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » | ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect... |
| Quote, originally posted by celm » | +1 |
Thanks guys, I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was saying.
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Sechsterlo

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4-15-2007
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Hey guys, new guy here, great place, really great. Ive tried reading as much of this as I can, Ive been on a mad hunt the past week trying to find out as much about getting a Skyline as possible. Yknow, research now, and be prepared later when you can afford it. Now, forgive me, but Id like to ask for clarification on just a few things because this thread in particular has a great deal of information that goes back and forth. So please correct me if Im wrong, or if Ive misunderstood any details. The only truly federally legal Skyline is one that came over via the now defunct Motorex. If it isnt federally legal, then you cant use it for general everyday use on the street. If you have a skyline that isnt federally legal, if found it will likely be exported, impounded, crushed, or otherwise made unretainable. Based on this info, and assuming its not wrong, am I to draw the conclusion that I basically cannot legally get an R32 GTR unless it was a Motorex imported machine? Ideally I would prefer to get one that is already stateside, so as not to deal with all the importing red tape, but now Im really not sure what the best course of action is.
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Gold Digger
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| « Re: (Sechsterlo) | 5:00 PM 4/15/2007 |
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You have pretty much nailed it man. One thing though, and I am not 100% sure on this, but the R33 Skylines, according to the NHTSA, is the only model that is legal to import and have modified to regulations. But...I have been told that the NHTSA has recinded that statement and no Skyline is allowed to be legally imported. Can anyone verify that?
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AZhitman
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That is correct Neal.Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners. However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention...
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ja sam debo
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4-15-2007
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please dont be mad, but i am a newb for sure... i just moved here from italy and was trying to read up on the rules but find myself quite impatient. from what ive read, italy is much easier to have cars imported to... but anyways. id like to get the 2000 skyline gt-r34 but you say thats not possible? i dont understand americans and their restrictions. is there any possible way to get it imported and insured... at all? is there a place i can buy a 2000 skyline gt-r34 that is already legally in the us? (i would take the risks of doing it illegally, but i do not want to be deported with the car) and if not what kind of car should i get? i want to 'street race' and i want to be able to modify it.
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kuuligan

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4-16-2007
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commenting from a few posts above...I know for a fact 96+ skylines are alot easier to import. I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex
97 Skyline R33 Series II 02 Audi A4 1.8T 5spd 03 Boost Logic IS300 5spd - 440whp pump gas - SOLD 04 Subaru WRX wagon 5spd - SOLD 02 Honda S2000 - SOLD etc..
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DarkBlueSr240
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So there is no way to go about this.... And how do the owners that are on here have theres? how can I get one...?

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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
St. Louis MO
11-23-2006
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| « Re: (kuuligan) | 8:48 PM 4/16/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by kuuligan » | | commenting from a few posts above...I know for a fact 96+ skylines are alot easier to import. I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex |
So, you've got an illegally imported and registered car....hope nothing happens to it.The simplest summation was posted just above:
| Quote, originally posted by AZHitman » | | That is correct Neal. Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners. However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention... |
| Quote, originally posted by DarkBlueSr240 » | | So there is no way to go about this.... And how do the owners that are on here have theres? how can I get one...? |
Got lucky enough to catch a Motorex car for sale was the first person to call the guy and put down a deposit.
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kuuligan

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4-16-2007
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| « Re: (Count Zero) | 9:26 AM 4/17/2007 |
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how is the car illegally imported? Stays in the garage 99% of the time anyways | Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » | So, you've got an illegally imported and registered car....hope nothing happens to it. |
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AZhitman
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| « Re: (kuuligan) | 9:33 AM 4/17/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by kuuligan » | | how is the car illegally imported? Stays in the garage 99% of the time anyways |
No reason to respond to the first question, the past 8 pages are clear. Anything that stays in the garage 99% of the time is a decoration, not a performance car.
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p.s. CZ, anytime you decide you're bored with the 32, you know where to find me. 
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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
St. Louis MO
11-23-2006
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 9:54 AM 4/17/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | p.s. CZ, anytime you decide you're bored with the 32, you know where to find me.  |
Phhh...yea, right. Only way I'd sell it is if my boss every manages to talk me into moving to Canada....sell the Motorex one here in the states, and get a Canadian one; that way two people win.
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Dialing him RIGHT now. 
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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
St. Louis MO
11-23-2006
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 3:00 PM 4/17/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | Dialing him RIGHT now.  |
HER actually. :P And yes, she's a MILF. (hates the term, but doesn't deny being one)In fact, both my clients are female. And hot. I love my job.
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DarkBlueSr240
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Could I just import it for a track car?
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Count Zero

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In theory, yes......for 1 year. But at the end of that year, you have to sell, export or destroy the car.But good luck getting Customs to issue the 1-year approval for a Skyline these days. (ie., they won't, for the simple fact that too many people are doing it, then taking the cars to FL or wherever, and getting state titles and selling them)
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| « Re: (Count Zero) | 7:03 AM 4/18/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » | In theory, yes......for 1 year. But at the end of that year, you have to sell, export or destroy the car.But good luck getting Customs to issue the 1-year approval for a Skyline these days. (ie., they won't, for the simple fact that too many people are doing it, then taking the cars to FL or wherever, and getting state titles and selling them) |
From what I found out last year, you also have to provide dates, locations and events to which you would be using the car for.
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kuuligan

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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 7:05 AM 4/18/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | No reason to respond to the first question, the past 8 pages are clear. Anything that stays in the garage 99% of the time is a decoration, not a performance car. |
I was kidding about the 99%, but it stays in my garage most of the time becuase i'm travelling between austin/houston all the time.
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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
St. Louis MO
11-23-2006
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| « Re: (C33LaurelRacer) | 9:52 AM 4/18/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » | From what I found out last year, you also have to provide dates, locations and events to which you would be using the car for.
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Yea...the impression I get is that pretty much the only people they're allowing to bring Skylines in are the big-time sponsored cars in Pro-Level competitions, like the D1 circuit.
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carman24
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 12:40 PM 4/22/2007 |
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Hi, I'm new to this and i'm and I am looking for my first car. After looking i found a skylin for cheap and its in good condition 1993. I have been looking over this topic for a few days and I'm wondering if it is legalized. How coudl i find out if so, and idk what to do. I just wanna know how i can get it and not taking away by cops while on the road=) 
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Count Zero

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1990 Skyline GT-R, Federal Legal & fully registered.
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11-23-2006
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Easiest way, if there's no paperwork, is to look on the door-trim on the driver's side.All the Motorex cars will have a sticker from California showing that they were inspected for the NHTSA and EPA conversions.
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| « Re: (carman24) | 4:22 PM 4/22/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by carman24 » | Hi, I'm new to this and i'm and I am looking for my first car. After looking i found a skyline for cheap and its in good condition 1993. I have been looking over this topic for a few days and I'm wondering if it is legalized. How could i find out if so, and idk what to do. I just wanna know how i can get it and not taking away by cops while on the road=)  |
First car.. and looking at a motorex car... deep pockets man they usually go for around 40k
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| « Re: (USsil80) | 7:54 PM 4/22/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by carman24 » | Hi, I'm new to this and i'm and I am looking for my first car. After looking i found a skylin for cheap and its in good condition 1993. I have been looking over this topic for a few days and I'm wondering if it is legalized. How coudl i find out if so, and idk what to do. I just wanna know how i can get it and not taking away by cops while on the road=) |
Please don't take offense to this, but with your age, a Skyline is not the best car for you for your first one. For one, parts are difficult to come by, and not cheap. The car itself can be expensive if it is a legal one. Right had drive take some getting used to, especially if you are driving it in the US. You will attract a lot of unwanted attention...i.e. people will want to race you, only because you are driving a Skyline, and that could get you noticed by the police, which you really don't want. Like I said, I am not trying to rain down on your parade, just letting you know that a $$$ car like a Skyline may not be a good option.
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| « Re: (C33LaurelRacer) | 4:34 PM 4/23/2007 |
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Dude...dont let something a small as age get in your way...it just depends on how much money you have...i have a mazda daily driver but i also have my nissan 240sx-13 and its got a lot a **** done under the hood and it does take a lot of money but if your determinded than get it and be happy!
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Taking note of the fact that Motorex apparently lives, yet states that they no longer import Skylines, it leaves to question why it is they should be allowed to retain any form of exclusivity/confidentiality rights to the info regarding the standards to which all Skylines must conform. If you arent going to engage in the practice, dont rain on the consumers party.
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Even if the "mod list" were public info, it wouldn't matter. The cars have been blacklisted.
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Sechsterlo

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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 7:08 PM 4/23/2007 |
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Even the R33 by this time? The list of eligible cars still lists the R33 as eligible, just between certain dates. One way or the other, it is such a touchy subject, I would make a case * and am considering doing so* to the feds to review this from square one. By appearance, its been poorly handled since the first day.
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| « Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman) | 2:41 AM 4/26/2007 |
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their is a new place in florida that just opened up they will ship any skyline back for 10k I know the Guy that started it and i will try to find out what the name of the company is and get back to you they are in the orlando area
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| « Re: (AZhitman) | 12:08 PM 4/29/2007 |
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| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » | | It makes it MUCH easier. That's all I'm saying. Eliminates the need for crash-testing and such. And "seeing" a car that's been imported means nothing to me. Seeing Federalization docs would impress me. p.s. It's Birkmire. Doctor Birkmire, to you. |
so i can import this rx7 http://www.japan-partner.com/A....html and only have to worry about the emissions???
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