Ok guys, school has kept me off the forum actively for about a year now, but I've recently started trolling again only to find a lot of questions about the Holset HX35 and its application to the RB series of motors.
The Holset, as has been said many times over, is a great turbo. It flows great, and is nearly bullet proof, plus they can be had for about $250 on ebay. I am going to talk specifically about the HX35, but much of what I say also applies to the HY35 (smaller compressor) and the H1C (slightly older).
Here is a link to the Cummings page about the HX35, for basic info on the turbo:
http://www.holset.co.uk/files/...5.php
So.... It all began when my previous turbo a TO4E just wouldn't spool fast enough. I set to thinking about cheap alternatives and quickly came across the HX35. Days later I purchased one off of ebay for $250 shipped and it arrived soon after. The turbo came internally wastegated, but I run an aftermarket manifold with an external wastegate (the XO2 top mount),so I removed the actuator and welded the flap shut. The specific turbo I purchsed also came with a V-Band adapter for the down pipe which made fabbing things very easy.
Here is my setup installed, which has remained the same (and reliable) for the past 6 months.
As you can see I run a "Greddy" plenum, Q45 throttle body, Z32 maf, all tuned on a Power FC.
The HX35, simply, is a large turbo. The compressor housing is almost 11 inches across at its widest point, so to fit it mounted to the top mount manifold, I had to shave about 2 mm off the compressor housing and the valve cover. Also the compressor had to be clocked pointing straight down, where its thinnest point aligned with the valve cover.
Now that the turbo was fitted to the manifold I had to hook up the oil lines. The oil return is the same as most T3 turbos as well as the stock RB dump tube, which I reused for the return. The oil feed is slightly larger than a standard T3 so I had to get an adapter to get my lines to fit. I cannot remember the exact size, but if anyone else knows, please comment. Also, the turbo is not water cooled so anyone converting from a stocker would have to plug those lines.
The compressor intake is 4 inches in diameter so a 4" to 3" silicone coupler was used to hook everything up. The compressor outlet, being clocked to the ground required me to rig my charge pipes in the crazy snake route shown. Soon I will weld a 90º bend to the outlet to solve that annoyance.
OK, we've come along way and the turbo is finally ready to sp-sp-sp-SPOOOL!
I will soon post video to accompany this section, but for now you'll just have to take my word for it. In second gear from a 2000 rpm roll about 20 mph for me, I mash the gas. Of course there is lag, but at about 2800-3000 rpm boost starts to build until at about 3500-3800 rpm a "spike" is felt when the boost jumps from 5 psi to 10 psi, where I have my gate set, and holds to the redline- 6900 rpm.
On my last tune the car put down 300 hp somewhere near the redline at just under 12 psi.
Off to work for now, but more pics and video will follow. Hope I've helped to answer alot of questions!
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: rb25drag at 2:28 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rb25drag » |
| If you kept it Internaly wastegated couldn't you put a boost controller on it and limit the boost? |
Its externally wastegated with a boost controller inline. But yes, to your question.
| Quote, originally posted by gawdzilla » |
| you might want to rotate the turbine housing so the oil feed and drain are more vertical.. looks like your oil feed is coming in from about 10 or 11 o clock |
I've heard this before, but exactly why is perfectly vertical better? Does oil pressure build b/c it can't drain as fast?
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: kjlindgr at 2:48 PM 1/17/2008
QUOTE]
You said the turbo came internally? Is there anything wrong with keeping it internally and adding a boost controller? Or is there a reason you make it external> reason is for if you wanted to keep the stock manifold.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (rb25drag)
Posted by: pirate87 at 4:45 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rb25drag » |
| [QUOTE=pirate87] The turbo came internally wastegated, QUOTE] You said the turbo came internally? Is there anything wrong with keeping it internally and adding a boost controller? Or is there a reason you make it external> reason is for if you wanted to keep the stock manifold. |
I already had an external setup...there's no reason the internal setup wouldn't work except I'm nt sure what the stock holset actuator spring is set for. It could be quite high since it is a deisel turbo.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: rb25drag at 6:08 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rb25drag » |
You said the turbo came internally? Is there anything wrong with keeping it internally and adding a boost controller? Or is there a reason you make it external> reason is for if you wanted to keep the stock manifold. |
Thanks for the info guys! I wanna learn all the turbo options for this motor! I have alot of experimenting im doing in the near future.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: Cjmartz2k at 8:12 PM 1/17/2008
And some beating on it vids:
All the other vids are with a TO4e, so don't use them as a gauge.
Pirate--not trying to steal you thread or anything, just trying to add to the Holset info.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (rb25drag)
Posted by: pirate87 at 8:29 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rb25drag » |
| That was my question, If I decided to stay with internal wastegate on one of these turbo's and still be able to control the boost with a boost controller? or if the actuator is too high and you have to change it to external to control it? |
I guess I misunderstood the first time 
. I believe I read somewhere that the HX35 actuator is set to open at 21 psi.
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Posted by: nizmo zilvia at 8:29 PM 1/17/2008
Can't wait to invest in it!!!!
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Cjmartz2k)
Posted by: pirate87 at 8:33 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Cjmartz2k » |
| Here are my spooling vids:
And some beating on it vids:
All the other vids are with a TO4e, so don't use them as a gauge. Pirate--not trying to steal you thread or anything, just trying to add to the Holset info. |
Hey man, the vids are great! Thanks for adding to the thread. Yours seems to spool far faster than mine? Can you provide more details on your setup? It looks like you were boosting to about 15psi?
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Posted by: Bwana at 8:36 PM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by pirate87 » |
Its externally wastegated with a boost controller inline. But yes, to your question. I've heard this before, but exactly why is perfectly vertical better? Does oil pressure build b/c it can't drain as fast? |
Oil does not 'drain' from the turbocharger nor any part of the motor so no, placement of in and outlet feeds will not matter on a pressurized volute shaped object (aka a turbocharger).
Great turbo and try and keep holset a secret
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: Cjmartz2k at 12:46 AM 1/18/2008
| Quote, originally posted by pirate87 » |
|
Glad you like them! It's a bone stock RB25, HKS log style manifold and wastegate (38mm with no boost creep 
) and it's 1.5 bar which is abotu 22psi. Gears are stock Skyline 4.37's. I'm not sure why it would spool quicker than yours. It's a hybrid, so it's got an even bigger compressor wheel on it.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Cjmartz2k)
Posted by: Biggamehit at 1:15 AM 1/18/2008
im a Holset guy myself.. good stuff man..
Luckly my OLDER H1C lol didn't come with an internal wastegate..... but yea you don't wanna run the stock wastegate that comes with the turbo..they are built to see a much bigger signal... that chances of spikage is high
this site was helpful to me when i really got into holset's some years back
http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/FAQ/turbo_faq.htm
quick chart i made so you don't have to link up to the site if you don't want to
Boost levels for respective dodge ram truck years..... 
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Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Biggamehit)
Posted by: Kansei240sx at 2:34 AM 1/18/2008
A few questions though.
What size exhaust housing is that? 14 cm, 12cm?
I am hoping you are running a conservative tune on that 10 psi. I know those turbos come to life at higher pressures and the flow increases dramatically over another 5 psi, but how are you only making 300 rwhp?
I am making 307~ on a good day with factory everything more or less.
Greddy manifold
SAFC
AVCR
FMIC
Divored dp
3" exhuast
all the basic bolt ons. running a 11.9-12.1 afr on 20 degree timing.
Im in the process of upgrading injectors, ECU, and turbo, and i have a mind set on that actual manifold, and turbo, although ill probably actually do a smaller exhaust housing, per say the 12 or 14.
And what injectors are you running? If you're on stock, ill hold my comments because 300 to low 300's is a feat on stock injectors for the 25.
I say, "cranketh thine boost! and maketh powa!"
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Kansei240sx)
Posted by: pirate87 at 5:14 AM 1/18/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Kansei240sx » |
| That looks good there. A few questions though. I am hoping you are running a conservative tune on that 10 psi. I know those turbos come to life at higher pressures and the flow increases dramatically over another 5 psi, but how are you only making 300 rwhp? I am making 307~ on a good day with factory everything more or less. Greddy manifold all the basic bolt ons. running a 11.9-12.1 afr on 20 degree timing. Im in the process of upgrading injectors, ECU, and turbo, and i have a mind set on that actual manifold, and turbo, although ill probably actually do a smaller exhaust housing, per say the 12 or 14. And what injectors are you running? If you're on stock, ill hold my comments because 300 to low 300's is a feat on stock injectors for the 25. |
I am not positive but based on bigmehit's chart the turbine housing is 12cm, and your suspicions were correct I am still running stock injectors, so I am am boost limited as of now! Soon to be changed.
The only thing about my manifold and turbo combo that wasn't ideal was the grinding I had to do to shave off a few mm from the compressor and valve cover. This has lasted me, but I'm sure it isn't the best option. Ideally, I probably should have rewelded the flange on the manifold, but oh well.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (pirate87)
Posted by: Shocker at 5:34 AM 1/18/2008
this seems like very good cheap turbo that provides excellent results.
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Shocker)
Posted by: Biggamehit at 6:32 AM 1/18/2008
but these turbos are bad *** awesome quality... one night while going home after welding up my exhaust..... i noticed my oil pressure was acting up.... so i pull over and wow ..... big hole in my oil pan from a puncture. i was driving a very high rate of speed... lets just say my turbo spooled for little over a mile with no oil at all... I took it apart and everything was fine.
hope im not thread jacking. here is a little more info on the great holset.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...83671
few pics of where i got mine from... much much more bro's he also has brand spanking new ones for about 300-500 bucks
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Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thread- Diesel Turbo FTW!! (Biggamehit)
Posted by: Shocker at 7:48 AM 1/18/2008
spool is kinda laggy for drifting and a 20 is gonna be another 300-500rpms
any advice on which one to rock?
and please link the shop where you took that pic! 
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thr ... (grenade180sx)
Posted by: BoostFab at 11:11 AM 1/18/2008
| Quote, originally posted by grenade180sx » |
| so wait.. i have a 20. and i cant find a 9cm housing. spool is kinda laggy for drifting and a 20 is gonna be another 300-500rpms any advice on which one to rock? and please link the shop where you took that pic! |
here is a pic of the hx25... will bolt right up.... T2 flanged
Post Title: Re: Pirate87's Holset HX35 boosted RB25 thr ... (Biggamehit)
Posted by: Cameron at 4:46 PM 1/18/2008
CHECK OUT WHAT I BEEN DOING WHILE I WAS AWAY!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brand NEW H1E!!!
Mock up of the exhaust manifold on there.
oh and granade. ditch the stock housing bro. get a Hx35 and get the bullseye housing, .58ar or something, which is like 7cm..
they are only like 250..
dont drop down from the 35...
Oh and guys i realize it is a T4 lol. Im getting the Bullseye Housing for the Hx40(H1E) and changing it to T3.
its like a .79AR
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Posted by: Cameron at 4:47 PM 1/18/2008
Ricky i hope mine dont have the same fate as yours 
Post Title: Re: (ZenkiCam)
Posted by: pirate87 at 9:36 AM 1/19/2008
I love the turbo position with the apex manifold. How did you come across one, and if you dont mind me asking how much did it run you? I'm really considering switching now because I am not a fan of the XO2 stainless, though it has been reliable, it doesn't position the turbo very well.
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Posted by: nizmo zilvia at 9:42 AM 1/19/2008
and pirate, it will be very very hard to come across another one.. they are extremely rare, and were only available to have if you bought an apexi kit, which was like ¥500,000 JPY or around $4,600 USD. They are kits discontinued now, and the chances of finding another one are extremely low. They are more rare than The HKS manifold.. I lucked up when i found this one. I Found it on Nico in the RB Classified, and Bought it from a Guy in Australia. His Name is Justin, Username 25ltr here on nico.. on other forums like nissansilvia, and Skylinesaustralia his username Is Silman. I talk to him a good bit, whether its through Youtube, or Email, but Ill tell him to keep a lookout over there in Aus. to look for you one, although chances are uber slim...
the Kit that it came off of is the Apexi RHX-6, So that phrase would be your best bet to search for in google, if you wanted one. there are very few people that have them, and oh dont forget, that these RX-6 kits were made for all difffernt types of motors, not just 25s.. They are easy to find for like evos, and RX7's and Twin Turbo RB26 Kits, but, since this manifold is a dual stud pattern for a RB25, or a single turbo RB26, its sorta hard to find them, cause not many of this model were made.. but it fits all RB's which is a good thing..
TheMadScientist used to have one on here, but he sold it. So you could check with him to see where he got his at too.. But if you find one, remember they are IHI flange, so it would need to be conv. to T3. mine already has been.
Cameron
( Here are some Vids of it, he had a GT3040r on it, when it belonged to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0EOYc-9x0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q5bXzK8EdI )
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Post Title: Re: (ZenkiCam)
Posted by: pirate87 at 2:31 PM 1/19/2008
awesome third man site named Rinkya.com
you go there and shop on yahoo japan through them... sooooooo Freaking awesome
Post Title: Re: (Biggamehit)
Posted by: Cameron at 4:48 PM 1/19/2008
LOL look here, RB20 For 84 dollars hahaha
http://www.rinkya.com/twview.p...71654
Post Title: Re: (ZenkiCam)
Posted by: pirate87 at 10:22 PM 1/19/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rb 90 240 » |
| Not changing the subject but how many of these manifolds would people be interested in? I can cast something like this if there is a decent demand? |
I would definitely be interested, as long as the price remains sub $500, otherwise I'd just keep looking for the real deal. Don't know much about casting, but it would be pretty sweet if you could keep your costs down and still make a profit.
Post Title: Re: (pirate87)
Posted by: Joe at 5:56 PM 1/20/2008
.The Wastegate Flange. I love the Position.. im looking to see no boost creep or nothing since its mounted where it is..
Post Title: Re: (ZenkiCam)
Posted by: Shocker at 7:27 PM 1/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ZenkiCam » |
| What? its Not HKS nor upside down. |
lol which one is it? It definitely looks like the HKS cast low mount mani turned upside down.
Post Title: Re: (Shocker)
Posted by: nizmo zilvia at 5:06 AM 1/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by nizmo zilvia » |
| Dude did you even read the thread? If you read you would of known its a Apexi manifold which only came in kits. Therefore pretty rare to get. |
There is like 3-4 different people posting their setups in here, I cant keep track of it all.
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Posted by: nizmo zilvia at 7:33 AM 1/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Kamin » |
| your interested in one yet your car is for sale? |
Yeah, I've been going back and forth for the past couple of months, whether to sell or not. It seems like every other day some new factor arises that make me change my mind. If I got the right offer, I'd probably sell, but otherwise I'm fine to keep working on it.
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Posted by: Cameron at 10:04 AM 1/21/2008
I see the chart for HP on the diesel motors but can anyone post up the HP range for each Holset on the RB, like what range is the Holset HX35 capable of on an RB25 with supporting mods of coarse? I would be happy to break the 400rwhp mark with one of these and at the same time not have to wait for 4400rpm before spooling.
some a little advice for the turbo retarded over here please 
thanks in advance guys! 
Post Title: Re: (300Plus)
Posted by: 300Plus at 9:56 AM 2/1/2008
Plus whats the difference between the H1C and the HX35 ??
Need some help guys! 
Post Title: Re: (300Plus)
Posted by: Cameron at 1:27 PM 2/1/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ZenkiCam » |
| For your Goals deffinately go with the HX35. And WH1C, is the Predecessor to the HX35. |
Ok, I see there are many different hot side sizes to the hx35 which would suit the RB best, again looking for fast spool and good power. the chart shows like 4 or 5 different cm hx35s.
Thanks again!
Post Title: Re: (300Plus)
Posted by: Bwana at 5:33 PM 2/1/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 300Plus » |
Ok, I see there are many different hot side sizes to the hx35 which would suit the RB best, again looking for fast spool and good power. the chart shows like 4 or 5 different cm hx35s. Thanks again! |
12cm. It's the smallest and also the most common.
Post Title: Re: (Bwana)
Posted by: Cameron at 2:34 PM 2/2/2008
One other thing I was looking at is some of the larger framed HX's like the 50 and the 52. What do you know about them? I don't know if I could even spool a HX50 with a 2.5L or not. Maybe just finding a HX40 wheel (already have the housing) is the best way to go. What'da think?
Post Title: Re: (Cjmartz2k)
Posted by: HPF Chrisk at 8:31 AM 3/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by pirate87 » |
| *All info reflects the best of my knowledge, but please if I do err, correct me! Ok guys, school has kept me off the forum actively for about a year now, but I've recently started trolling again only to find a lot of questions about the Holset HX35 and its application to the RB series of motors. The Holset, as has been said many times over, is a great turbo. It flows great, and is nearly bullet proof, plus they can be had for about $250 on ebay. I am going to talk specifically about the HX35, but much of what I say also applies to the HY35 (smaller compressor) and the H1C (slightly older). Here is a link to the Cummings page about the HX35, for basic info on the turbo: http://www.holset.co.uk/files/...5.php So.... It all began when my previous turbo a TO4E just wouldn't spool fast enough. I set to thinking about cheap alternatives and quickly came across the HX35. Days later I purchased one off of ebay for $250 shipped and it arrived soon after. The turbo came internally wastegated, but I run an aftermarket manifold with an external wastegate (the XO2 top mount),so I removed the actuator and welded the flap shut. The specific turbo I purchsed also came with a V-Band adapter for the down pipe which made fabbing things very easy. Here is my setup installed, which has remained the same (and reliable) for the past 6 months.
As you can see I run a "Greddy" plenum, Q45 throttle body, Z32 maf, all tuned on a Power FC. The HX35, simply, is a large turbo. The compressor housing is almost 11 inches across at its widest point, so to fit it mounted to the top mount manifold, I had to shave about 2 mm off the compressor housing and the valve cover. Also the compressor had to be clocked pointing straight down, where its thinnest point aligned with the valve cover. Now that the turbo was fitted to the manifold I had to hook up the oil lines. The oil return is the same as most T3 turbos as well as the stock RB dump tube, which I reused for the return. The oil feed is slightly larger than a standard T3 so I had to get an adapter to get my lines to fit. I cannot remember the exact size, but if anyone else knows, please comment. Also, the turbo is not water cooled so anyone converting from a stocker would have to plug those lines. The compressor intake is 4 inches in diameter so a 4" to 3" silicone coupler was used to hook everything up. The compressor outlet, being clocked to the ground required me to rig my charge pipes in the crazy snake route shown. Soon I will weld a 90º bend to the outlet to solve that annoyance. OK, we've come along way and the turbo is finally ready to sp-sp-sp-SPOOOL! I will soon post video to accompany this section, but for now you'll just have to take my word for it. In second gear from a 2000 rpm roll about 20 mph for me, I mash the gas. Of course there is lag, but at about 2800-3000 rpm boost starts to build until at about 3500-3800 rpm a "spike" is felt when the boost jumps from 5 psi to 10 psi, where I have my gate set, and holds to the redline- 6900 rpm. On my last tune the car put down 300 hp somewhere near the redline at just under 12 psi. Off to work for now, but more pics and video will follow. Hope I've helped to answer alot of questions! |
How do you like the X02 manifold? Is it worth a damn?
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Posted by: 94ECR33 at 1:45 PM 8/11/2009
I'm not sure what you are saying when you mention changing parts with other turbos. You will need a new intake pipe, new intercooler pipe made, and a new downpipe if that's what you are asking.
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Posted by: Sil240 at 6:03 AM 8/12/2009
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Posted by: streeteg at 7:02 AM 8/12/2009
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