Rumors have swirled for months about the possibility of more displacement, less displacement, forced induction, natural-aspiration, not from the VQ family at all.

Now we know:

The GTR will be powered by Nissan's yet-to-be-introduced VR-series engine, displacing 3.8 liters, giving us an early indication of an engine code of VR38.

Adding to the nomenclature, we know that titanium intake valves and magnesium alloy exhaust valves will be used, as are present on the V36 Skyline Coupe. An updated version of Variable Valve Event and Lift (VVEL) will be present as well. This gives us an engine code of VR38VE.

BUT WAIT!

Our sources ALSO mention not one, but TWO small variable geometry turbos running 1.47 bar, or 21 psi of boost.

This leaves us with a VR38VETT or VR38VHRTT, depending on whether the "base" VR38 is considered a "hi-rev" engine or not. We're pretty certain it'll be the low-rev, and naturally-aspirated versions will be of the "hi-rev" variety.

Either way, it kinda rolls off the tongue, eh?

Word has it that the new VR series engine is lighter than the VQ and VK engines of similar displacement. Redline begins at 7,600rpm, with a 7,800rpm rev limit.

Peak power is estimated at 473 horsepower @ 6,800 rpm; 90% of the VR38VETT nearly 500 horses will be available between 6,800 and 7,500 rpm.

Peak torque comes in at a stump-pulling 428 lb-ft @ 1,700-5,600rpm. That's nearly instantaneous torque OFF IDLE with a locomotive-like powerband throughout the rev range.

Of course, we already knew that the GTR will utilize Nissan's new "Premium Midship" platform as its basis. The PM platform boasts a perfect 50/50 weight distribution.

Coupled with Nissan's experience in developing advanced 4WD systems, it sounds like we'll finally be getting a supercar from Nissan on US shores. It's been a long time coming.




Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 7:44 PM 8/14/2007

Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX »

I will have sex with a monkey to get my hands on that car

Aids?



Post Title: Re: (BOOMSHAKALAKA)
Posted by: Bwana at 8:13 PM 8/14/2007

Quote, originally posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA »

Post Title:
Posted by: JimmyMethod at 8:28 PM 8/14/2007

Post Title: Re: (JimmyMethod)
Posted by: NSR_s30 at 8:44 PM 8/14/2007

-Dan



Post Title:
Posted by: tjmhillz at 9:13 PM 8/14/2007

Post Title:
Posted by: Onizuka at 9:39 PM 8/14/2007

Sick car, cant wait.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:25 PM 8/14/2007

Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX »

I will have sex with a monkey to get my hands on that car

Who're you kidding? You'd do it regardless if you could have the car or not.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (Looneybomber)
Posted by: PantherRacer at 10:49 PM 8/14/2007

Quote, originally posted by Looneybomber »

Wow, so what's the price tag look like? Can we get it in a 4door so I can explain to my GF that it's a family sedan?

this is completely surreal.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (jdm_master_X)
Posted by: jdmfreak at 11:58 PM 8/14/2007

At the same time?



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (jdmfreak)
Posted by: jdm_master_X at 12:02 AM 8/15/2007

I would have to agree, in that there will *finally* be some other vehicle that is roughly as good of a price/performance bargain as the C6. It'll be slightly better of one than the Z06, and slightly worse of one than the LS3 base model.

Either way, it was so, and we saw that it was good.

I do sort of want one (GTR), but I'd be leveraging myself to within an inch of my life to buy one, and I don't really want to do that for a car. I might see if I can get one at MSRP and mark it up a few thousand bucks though on eBay like people did with the first Z06's.



Post Title:
Posted by: VMPhil at 4:16 AM 8/15/2007

It's really mipressive that they've offset the weight of the turbo-related goodies by making the block and assembly even lighter.



Post Title:
Posted by: HashiriyaS14 at 9:11 AM 8/15/2007

I must confess that I'm not even entirely certain how a regular variable geometry turbo functions.....but I gather it isn't the same thing as having them spin up instantly via electric power.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:24 AM 8/15/2007

Variable geometry turbochargers (VGTs) are a family of turbochargers, usually designed to allow the effective A/R ratio of the turbo to be altered as conditions change. This is done because optimum A/R at low engine speeds is very different from that at high engine speeds. If the A/R ratio is too large, the turbo will fail to create boost at low speeds; if the A/R ratio is too small, the turbo will choke the engine at high speeds, leading to large exhaust manifold pressures, high pumping losses and ultimately lower power output. By altering the geometry of the turbine housing as the engine accelerates, the turbo's A/R ratio can be maintained at its optimum. Because of this, VGTs have a minimal amount of lag, have a low boost threshold and are very efficient at higher engine speeds. In many configurations, VGTs do not even require a wastegate, however this depends on whether the fully open position is sufficiently open to allow boost to be controlled to the desired level at all times. Some VGT implementations have been known to over-boost if a wastegate is not fitted.

The most common implementation is a set of several aerodynamically-shaped vanes in the turbine housing near the turbine inlet. As these vanes move, the area between the tips of them change, thereby leading to a variable A/R ratio. Usually, the vanes are controlled by a membrane actuator identical to the one on a wastegate, although electric servo actuated vanes are becoming more common.

The first production car to use these turbos was the limited-production 1989 Shelby CSX-VNT, equipped with a 2.2L petrol engine. The Shelby CSX-VNT utilised a turbo from Garrett, called the VNT-25 because it used the same compressor and shaft as the more common Garrett T-25. This type of turbine is called a Variable Nozzle Turbine (VNT). Turbocharger manufacturer Aerocharger uses the term 'Variable Area Turbine Nozzle' (VATN) to describe this type of turbine nozzle. Other common terms include Variable Turbine Geometry (VTG), Variable Geometry Turbo (VGT) and Variable Vane Turbine (VVT).

The 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo has a twin turbocharged 3.6-litre flat six, and the turbos used are BorgWarner's Variable Turbine Geometry (VTGs). This is significant because although VGTs have been used on advanced turbo diesel engines for a few years and on the Shelby CSX-VNT, this is the first time the technology has been implemented on a high production petrol car (only 500 Shelby CSX-VNTs were ever produced). Exhaust temperatures in petrol cars are much higher than in diesel cars and this normally has adverse effects on the delicate, movable vanes of the turbo. BorgWarner engineers however have managed to combat this problem with the new 911 Turbo.

Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: MattB at 9:35 AM 8/15/2007

i'm a little puzzled by that as well, but in the end i don't really care. the fact that it will be sold here is all that matters i just hope it doesnt hurt sales.



Post Title:
Posted by: Oatmealman at 10:01 AM 8/15/2007

So Greg... how long til the owner of the internet's largest Nissan/Infinity site has a new GTR?
You KNOW you gotta do it man!

Also, do you think they will release any sweet commercials about it? I mean, its not like they have to advertise at all (They will sell them all I'm sure), but then again, how do you keep that sexy beast under wraps?



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)
Posted by: kouki munster at 10:13 AM 8/15/2007

Holy crap

Does it come with a trailer hitch?



Post Title:
Posted by: thekage at 10:14 AM 8/15/2007

$50K plus



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (ka24destructor)
Posted by: Loki at 4:05 PM 8/15/2007

Quote, originally posted by ka24destructor »

and for those that dont take care of it ill be lookin in junk yards to get your engine!

it'd be easier to package in the engine bay too.

DOHC V6's are quite big....turbos on the sides don't help....

the car sounds sexy.

I hope they do a comparison with the damn RS8.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (Loki)
Posted by: ishkabibble at 5:48 PM 8/15/2007

The motor isn't AWD.

The motor swap, if it fits, probably wouldn't be worth it in a 240 or Z32. Maybe a Fairlady Roadster or 510.

Looking forward to a Top Gear episode about the GT-R.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 6:42 PM 8/15/2007

Don't get butt-hurt Greg.

Nissan's only now catching up to the LS2, LS3, and Ls7.

LS2 = 400hp/400tq, LS3 = 430(more like 450)hp/430tq, Ls7 = 505hp/440tq.

Hey I'm happy for Nissan. It's about time there was some competition for the Corvette from Japan. You're still looking at a year or two, before the GTR even HITS THE ROAD HERE. But the GTR isn't going to be King of the Road in the U.S. Especially since the Blue Devil will be out at the same time with 650hp.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: ishkabibble at 6:52 PM 8/15/2007

Quote, originally posted by ishkabibble »

But the Corvette has looked like *** for the last 30 years...

No butt-hurt involved, brotha.

We all know you own a 'vette. We hear about it a lot.

Incidentally, I spent some time on the track with a C6 2 weekends ago. Not impressed. Neither was the owner, who couldn't shake me (relative amateur) through the twisties.

But this isn't a thread about GTR (which will be here sooner than you think) vs Vette (which is still plagued with QC issues).

If it was, I'd have mentioned the disparity in build quality, power-to-weight ratio, F/R balance, antiquated leaf spring suspension, and the superiority of AWD.

But we're buds, and I'd never do such a thing...

Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 9:27 PM 8/15/2007

Why would it not be? I don't see any Infiniti Skyline GT-R's in Japan, so I think it's only fitting that the GT-R carry the Nissan badge. The only other franchise name to have a Skyline was Prince Motor Company, and guess who bought them out? Nissan.

The GT-R, since the first Hakosuka 4 door in 1969, has always been a Nissan.

What I don't understand is, why drop the Skyline name from the GT-R. From it's inception, it has always been a Nissan Skyline GT-R. But, I guess this is ol' Carlos' bag of tater chips, so it's his call.

And Justin, man, dude, seriously, stop with all the "the Corvette is the most superior car ever built" routine. Yeah, for the price, the Vette is pretty bad ***, but it's not the end all/be all of the sports cars. I hear that this other car called a Viper is pretty shibby, too.

I mean, hey, aren't we here to praise cars in general? I understand that everyone is opinionated, but you don't have to shove yours down our throats. Ease up a tad man.



Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: DJButton at 9:41 PM 8/15/2007

Well I honestly have more fun driving my RB then the C6 stockers, I think mainly because hp is not considered when driving the dang vette just plain sucked to me, akward as heck. Anyway, the new Z06's are indeed a blast and def very fast, but I prefer some higher revs, and again, a very akward car to drive, i.e. backing up etc. I love the ls combined with the CTS-V though, freakin blast to cruise in, yet not the fastest thing ever even with that amazing 400 freakin hp <---Sarcasm! Yes I have driven LS1/2/3/7 cars, immpresive but certainly beatable, and my contribution to this thread has been made worthless by clogging it with GM jargon... I feel ashamed... GTR's rule!



Post Title: Re: (DJButton)
Posted by: fourLUG_hero at 9:45 PM 8/15/2007

I would let these guys PIIMB for this car.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (ishkabibble)
Posted by: charlieo at 10:35 PM 8/15/2007

It will be interesting, seeing how Clarkson loathed the 350Z, and generally has nothing good to say about the rest of Nissan's lineup (and rightfully so).



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (charlieo)
Posted by: themadscientist at 12:45 AM 8/16/2007

Vipers are teh sechs.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (Loki)
Posted by: ka24destructor at 7:30 AM 8/16/2007

yea i see what yall mean i realize it would be too much work/time/money than its worth, and unpractical when the money could be put into a different swap or modification that would yield just as good if not better numbers. the idea behind what i was tring to say is that it would be nice to enjoy such a nice powerband in a 240.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (ka24destructor)
Posted by: bone_stock_240 at 7:48 AM 8/16/2007

I've heard $58k for the base model, which would be a serious bargain for what is essentially a bonafide 997 911TT competitor, if not an outright superior vehicle.

In regards to bashing the base C6, it lapped VIR faster than the R8 and 997TT in Car & Driver's recent test, and so it is undeniably a very fast car on twisty roads, any fault is the driver's.

That does NOT mean that it is somehow superior to a car that isn't even on the market yet. The GTR is a very different animal from a Corvette, and it's impossibly silly to try and compare them and declare one or the other the victor.

Some people have a definite preference for AWD vs RWD or NA vs FI, etc... It's like comparing a Ford GT to a 997TT. You know you're either going to buy one or the other, few people who actually intend to DRIVE the car hard are going to cross-shop very intently.

Both cars will represent the two greatest performance bargains on the market, if not EVER.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:03 AM 8/16/2007

Many questions I've been pondering today. What year and model C6 did the owner have? Auto or Manual? What suspension package did he have? What mods? What mods do you have on your G35? If he had a base suspension setup, I could see you hanging with him, but if he had the Z51 package, then your driving abilities were superior to his. What tires were you both running? Lots of info missing here.

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman »

If it was, I'd have mentioned the disparity in build quality, power-to-weight ratio, F/R balance, antiquated leaf spring suspension, and the superiority of AWD.

Power to weight Ratio, the Corvette wins. At least the 08+, or Z06. F/R Balance, I'm sure both cars are close, as C5 and C6's have the transmission mounted in the back to keep weight relatively balanced. Antiquated leaf spring suspension? That's up for debate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_springs

I see 'modern' suspensions, and the suspension used in newer corvettes as both having their strengths and weaknesses.

I really like what Nissan is doing with this engine. When I say competition, what I really meant was, competition between the big guns that are out there, for my next project(which I am building to beat up on GT-R's, Z06's, Vipers, and Porsches, while looking good and being a Street Car in the process). It won't be a Corvette either. My C5 has been assigned Daily Driver duty, and I have another car lined up that will become my Frankenstein/experiment.

I love the performance wars that are going on right now, as it will cause all of the car companies that are involved, to be competitive and get better with their designs and the technology used. I can't wait for the GT-R, the Blue Devil, the new Hyndai Tiburon RWD, a possible return of the S-Chassis, and AE86 model, and others that will be joining the fray. It is a good time to be a car enthusiast again.

Keep me updated Greg.

To the guy bashing me about my opinion on Corvettes, you obviously don't know me that well. I've never said the Corvette is the best car ever made end of story. I'm saying, it's very comparable, and has set some baselines this decade, for other cars to follow. It's a great platform to work on, and has one of the best engine systems ever made(that you can't argue with). You have to have a baseline, to compare other cars to, or where do you stand?

And if I was going to build the most badass Street/Track car ever, it wouldn't be a Corvette. Too big and heavy. I want something that's less than 3,000lbs, and a bit smaller in width and length. And no, it's not a 240sx either.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: AZhitman at 6:21 PM 8/16/2007

A year old, manual, Toyo T1-R's and no mods on the vette.... Supposedly has OEM adjustable shocks? (pics in the thread) He's not a "great" driver, nor am I - G35C 6MT, some suspension bracing, Toyo Proxes RA-1, headers / catback.

I was just really surprised I could hang with him in the twisties and he really didn't pull much on the straights - He said later that he was surprised as well, thought I was running FI. I kept a straight face and went "WOO HOO" after I walked away.

Quote, originally posted by JustinStrife »

I love the performance wars that are going on right now, as it will cause all of the car companies that are involved, to be competitive and get better with their designs and the technology used. I can't wait for the GT-R, the Blue Devil, the new Hyndai Tiburon RWD, a possible return of the S-Chassis, and AE86 model, and others that will be joining the fray. It is a good time to be a car enthusiast again.

Damn straight!!!!



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 6:23 PM 8/16/2007

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman »

p.s. You're 100% on another point - The 'vette is kinda the "yardstick" that most measure against. If the powerplant wasn't amazing, we wouldn't be scarfing them up to put in an S-chassis.

I'm having a brain-dead moment Greg. Is the GT-R coming out in 09'? The Blue Devil is 'rumored' for an 09' release. Though you know how that can be with car manufacturers. It's almost depressing how fast these factory cars are getting. Need more mods!!!



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: Loki at 9:17 PM 8/16/2007

Quote, originally posted by JustinStrife »

One of these days I'll drop by your house and show off my project once I get it going. I think you'll like it. I'm having a brain-dead moment Greg. Is the GT-R coming out in 09'? The Blue Devil is 'rumored' for an 09' release. Though you know how that can be with car manufacturers. It's almost depressing how fast these factory cars are getting. Need more mods!!!

I can't wait to test drive this.. but man itll make me dream of it every night and of course i cant afford it just as i cant afford a z06 vette lol.

Such an amazing car...



Post Title:
Posted by: MX-Ham at 12:20 AM 8/17/2007

The Skyline name was dropped because it is now used on the overseas equivalent of the Infiniti G35.

As for why it shouldn't be badged as a Nissan, tradition or history shouldn't come in to play for the US market. There's never been a Nissan Skyline GT-R officially sold here, and apart from the enthusiast community most Americans have never heard of it. I don't see how Nissan thinks people considering a Porsche 911 or Corvette are going to walk into a Nissan dealership. Yes, Corvette owners go to Chevy dealers but "Corvette" is an established nameplate. "GT-R" is not. And like it or not a lot of Americans care about badge status. The level of service provided to Nissan dealers is also not intended for >$50K cars. The Infiniti nameplate is more prestigious, and its dealers provide better service.



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: f1seb at 1:24 PM 8/17/2007

I dunno why the hell they said that but it confuses the hell out of me. It better not be badged as an Infiniti, that's for certain (which we already know it's not). Infiniti builds luxury cars, not sports cars. Anyways the Z06 is a hard car to beat for it's price and to a certain point I feel FR > AWD. But at 500whp I'd rather have to fight with understeer than over in the rain



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 2:16 PM 8/17/2007

OK...I see your point....to an extent. Yes, the GT-R was never marketed for a non-Japanese sale, but that's what makes this so good. You take the GT-R and market it for Nissan, and put Nissan USA into the sports car market full on. Infiniti sells luxury cars and the G35 (U.S. version of the Skyline coupe and sedan) but the GT-R is not a luxury car. It's a sports car with a history of being brutal. Nissan builds real world sports cars, Infiniti builds luxury sedans and luxury sports cars.

You are going to have your Nissan and Infiniti pureists slamming each other both ways over this, but in my opinion, the GT-R should stay with the Nissan badge.




Post Title:
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 8:09 PM 8/18/2007

As far as having the general public consider the GT-R against the 911 turbo or Corvette, it's called GOOD MARKETING.

The GT-R has a rich heritage like the vette and 911. That would be a good place to start.



Post Title:
Posted by: DriftReadyS13 at 8:46 PM 8/18/2007

They can keep going to the Chevy dealership....

...and then they can get pwned by one at the track or on the street.

All of a sudden, the styling and "cachet" of the 'vette will look dated and tired. Just watch....



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 10:23 PM 8/18/2007

Hell it's not even out yet.



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: Onizuka at 11:07 PM 8/18/2007

Actually, new nissans like all-options 350z roadsters, Titans and Armadas can easily top $50,000. I also wouldn't be surprised to see a gt-r based Infiniti in the future. Maybe not a strait up re-badge, but something based on the same drive train and architecture (like the relationship between the 350z and G35).



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 12:51 AM 8/19/2007

If that were true then it would have happened when the 911 turbo or e46 m3 came out but people are still buying vettes



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 1:00 AM 8/19/2007

Also on the corvetteforum in the off-topic section the GTR IS being talked about. There's all sorts of opinions on it, some love it, some hate it, some are neutral. It's not being ignored. You'd be stupid to ignore a 480hp AWD TT system.

Every car has it's niche/cult following, and respectable markets.



Post Title:
Posted by: HashiriyaS14 at 5:13 AM 8/19/2007

Normal reasonable people aren't so emotionally invested in their cars that they get genuinely worked up when something newer and faster comes out. If you are, then there's probably something wrong with you.

That said, even if the GTR is faster, it will likely win very few converts in the Corvette community. Likewise, I think that few 350Z or Evo/STI owners who are potential GTR buyers would seriously consider a Corvette.

They're so different anyway, I thought I squashed this on Page 2. The GTR will likely feel a lot more like a 911TT than a Corvette.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Jesda at 6:20 AM 8/19/2007

Friend, thats a silly statement. Even during the crappy years of the 'Vette, Americans wanted a 'Vette. Icons are icons, and the GTR will have to earn that status by being excellent on all marks:
--Being butt-ugly is not a good start.
--Being a product of modern-day Nissan is not a good start.

It's refreshingly ambitious, but I suspect dealer idiocy, initial quality problems, manufacturing inconsistency, and design defects will keep it from succeeding during its first couple years of production.

I hope I'm wrong. Usually I'm not.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 7:29 AM 8/19/2007

The GT-R is an automotive icon.



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: Veriest1 at 1:37 PM 8/19/2007

True... every where else in the world. It's image, compared to the Vette, is still relatively young in America. The real question is how well it will do here in comparison to the rest of the world. If you asked the average American if they would recognize a Corvette they probably could. Comparatively, very few would know what a Skyline or GTR is.

Hopefully Nissan doesn't ruin the GTR relatively fledgling image in America before they can get a foot hold.

Modified by Veriest1 at 4:12 PM 8/19/2007



Post Title: Re: (Veriest1)
Posted by: redtop91 at 1:42 PM 8/19/2007

Nah, the car just has to be "good enough" to succeed. It doesn't seem like any of those would be a deal-breaker.



Post Title: Re: (redtop91)
Posted by: Veriest1 at 2:10 PM 8/19/2007

Quote, originally posted by Veriest1 »

True... every where else in the world. It's image, compared to the Vette, is still relatively young in America. The real question is how well it will do here in comparison to the rest of the world. If you asked the average American if they would recognize a Corvette they probably could. Comparatively, very few would know what a Skyline or GTR is. Hopefully Nissan doesn't ruin its fledgling image in America before they can get a foot hold.

Sorry, "its" in that last sentence is still referring to the GTR like it is in every other part of my post that addresses your point.

My previous post has now been edited for clarity.



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: MinisterofDOOM at 2:19 PM 8/19/2007

Yes, it is.

But not on the scale the 'Vette is.
A lot of (I'd even venture to say "Most") Americans couldn't tell you what a Skyline is, and even more have no clue what a GTR is. Being famous among a select group of Japanese car afficionados is not enough to rival the 'Vette on American soil.
The new GTR will have to build it's reputation.
I don't see that being a problem. People who buy cars like the GTR aren't going to be scared off by looks alone (look at Porsche...people buy them, don't they?). And besides...I think the car looks great, and I'm about as picky as they come.

And while I agree with Jesda that today's Nissan isn't as great as the Nissan of yore, I don't share his apocalyptic view that all things Nissan these days are complete crap.



Post Title: Re: (Veriest1)
Posted by: redtop91 at 2:28 PM 8/19/2007

Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: Jesda at 5:16 PM 8/19/2007

No, especially outside of JDM enthusiast circles. It has a solid reputation, but it isn't an icon in the world's largest auto market. It can certainly become one, but it takes a lot of success and time to catch up with a half-century legacy.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: redtop91 at 5:20 PM 8/19/2007

Go to any other country (Australia, the UK, Eastern Europe, Japan, Germany) and ask them:

"GTR or Corvette?"

My bet is most choose the GTR.

It's a very "ugly American" POV to think that, even as a US cultural icon with over 50 years' heritage, that the world shares our "hot dog / baseball / apple pie / Corvette" enthusiasm.

And yes, very soon, the styling and "cachet" of the 'vette will look dated and tired, just as it did in the 80's. Especially given the influx of new, radically-designed supercars from Nissan, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Jesda at 5:40 PM 8/19/2007

Thats an amusingly ambitious statement.



Post Title:
Posted by: Veriest1 at 5:50 PM 8/19/2007

In the 90s, the 300ZX, 3000GT, and RX-7 expanded the sports car market but didnt have any adverse affect on the Corvette's popularity.

It makes no sense to believe that the GTR would in any way 'harm' the Corvette, as Japanese sports cars have always appealed to different customers.

Its the same way Tundra buyers are mostly Toyota car owners, not crossover domestic pickup owners.



Post Title:
Posted by: Mr1der at 6:47 PM 8/19/2007

both do the same thing...just different.

and in that...I mean make an awesome race sandwich.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 7:50 PM 8/19/2007

Sorry but it IS in fact an icon. Take a look at automotive video games. The Skyline GT-R is on all the popular games. At the LEAST, Americans in general will recognize the letters GT-R



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: MattB at 8:28 PM 8/19/2007

They'll recognize the letters, but they probably won't associate them with "Nissan" outside of people who play video games and Japanese car enthusiats. The Skyline/GT-R simply does not have much name recognition in this country. The Corvette and 911 are legends to the average American. The GT-R will be an unknown. While it can certainly build up the image, I think it would greatly benefit it to wear an Infiniti badge. Like it or not many people buy these kind of cars based on image as much as performance. People don't see a Corvette and think "Chevy", but they will see the GT-R and think "Nissan", and from a brand image standpoint that's not a good thing. Most people just don't associate Nissan with cars in the Corvette/911 class.

For another reason the GT-R should be an Infiniti, consider this: the average Infiniti owner bringing their car in for dealer service is more likely to be able to afford a GT-R than the average Nissan owner bringing their car in. Someone who owns an M45 probably has more money than someone driving an Altima, and thus is more likely to be able to afford a fun car like a Corvette. If the M45 owner sees the GT-R when he brings his car in for an oil change, he will check it out and maye consider it when he goes to buy a "weekend car". The Altima owner is less likely to have the disposable income to afford a GT-R, so its presence at the Nissan dealership is not as likely to induce an existing owner to purchase it.



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: redtop91 at 8:31 PM 8/19/2007

wow. Infiniti does not make sports cars. I've said it before and will say it again. If anything it'd be a mistake to brand it as an Infiniti because Nissan has more of a sports car image than Infiniti. The number one owner of the GTR will be the guy who looks for outright performance in a car rather than Ipod connectivity and heated leather seats. Ok maybe that was an extreme but the crowd Infiniti appeals to has anything but performance as a first priority. I also find it equally amusing when you say that Nissan doesn't make cars that compete in the Corvette/911 class when every Nissan outperforms its Infiniti counterpart.

Modified by redtop91 at 8:58 PM 8/19/2007



Post Title: Re: (redtop91)
Posted by: cmfireman at 9:46 PM 8/19/2007

There will only be a handful of these shipped over when they are first introduced, and whoever wants one and has the money for one will buy it. It doesn't matter what they think about Corvettes or 911's.

I guarantee that once they start running out at dealerships people will want them to ship over more.

Rich people like excess. The GTR looks like an excessive car, but costs much less than a Lambo/Ferrari, so they will simply scoop it up so they can show it off on the next episode of Cribs just to say they have one.

Everybody has a Corvette/Porsche. Owning the GTR will be the exclusive/VIP thing to do for a while, and then sells will drop off.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:51 PM 8/19/2007

Just like people will always buy Chevy Cobalts and Ford Pickups (read: retards), there will always be buyers for the Corvette.

What I DO mean is that the Corvette has not changed substantively since 1984. Period.

The styling is already looking "dated", and there's already an undercurrent of distaste for the 'vette (bumper sticker: Corvettes are for Senior Citizens), regardless of its impressive performance and incredible heritage.

I do believe that the potential 911 / Vette buyer will be more inclined to select something more technologically advanced and with more "street cred" in the coming few years, especially with the under-50 set.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Jesda at 10:01 PM 8/19/2007

Nonsense!!!! Would you say the same of the 911? The Corvette has found a look thats both futuristic and current, while retaining its recognizability. Porsche has done the same.

Hell, 911 owners are mostly lawyers, doctors, managers -- older men with money. Guess what segment of the population is most able to afford sports cars? OLD WHITE GUYS.

You're so caught up in GTR fever that you've lost sight of market realities.



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: Jesda at 10:03 PM 8/19/2007

Wow, Civics are in video games too. Excellent criteria! I'll buy myself a Civic Hybrid and take it to Woodward.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: krimsonviper at 10:04 PM 8/19/2007

Hell yes. Everytime I see a Z06 or a non-boxter Porsche I damn near cream my pants. Same thing happens with 1st Gen Camaros.



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: Jesda at 10:07 PM 8/19/2007

Those are some sound arguments, but like Redtop said, the Nissan brand and its racing history are more oriented toward sports cars. I think Nissan will do what GM (Vette) and Ford (GT) did and train certain people at certain dealers to sell and service the GTR.

I just hope Nissan can pull it off.



Post Title: Re: (Absolushun)
Posted by: Jesda at 10:09 PM 8/19/2007

You own a Mazda 3. I own a bland Lexus. You're lying if you think either of us are that jaded or elevated.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: krimsonviper at 10:14 PM 8/19/2007

i dont think we're jaded, but in my area i spot vettes on almost every corner. i will spot a 911, but to me the look is played out, the old school ones and the new school ones are pretty much the look, granted they've gotten prettier, but the new ones just looks like they are modded old ones. i like my cars to have make overs if they are going to bring in new generations.

Modified by Absolushun at 10:29 PM 8/19/2007



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: redtop91 at 10:19 PM 8/19/2007

I sure do too. I don't think they'll be able to recover the brand from a screw up once it is formally introduced here. Although even is PR isn't great, but it performs and it fails that will mean a cheaper resale value for me to pick one up



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:23 PM 8/19/2007

Futuristic? Not even CLOSE.

Current? Maybe.

Looks much the same as it did in 1984, when it WAS "futuristic".

Absolutely I would say the same of the 911. It's VERY much the same as it was in 1976, but it has (IMO) "aged" much better.

Quote, originally posted by Jesda »

You're so caught up in GTR fever that you've lost sight of market realities.

Far from it - I'm a closet skeptic on the GTR.

I just understand the market as a WORLD market, not a US market - You, a student of the automotive market, a critic of all that is failed in Detroit, a connoisseur (at least on paper) of what "works" and what doesn't, you of all people can grasp that.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Jesda at 10:37 PM 8/19/2007

How in the world is that relevant to your irrational fist-pounding over how the Corvette will suddenly become marginalized, unpopular, and lose its iconic status? You're seeing the sports car market as a narrow band in which purchases are made solely on specifications.

That is NOT the case, because the vast majority sports car purchases are made out of EMOTION -- typical of a non-essential luxury good. An icon is an icon, and its history is a tremendous part of that reputation.

The GTR new to America, regardless of what JDM fans may already know.

Remember folks, whats popular on NICO CLUB is, believe it or not, often unpopular elsewhere, just as the Corvette has fought for acceptance in Europe.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 10:55 PM 8/19/2007

The civic is an icon as well. Deal with it. Now go join honda-tech forums



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 10:58 PM 8/19/2007

Every enthusiast I know knows the GT-R. Muscle car enthusiasts, European car enthusiasts and of course Japanese car enthusiasts. The GT-R is NOT for the average person, and it's known by any true automotive enthusiast.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:58 PM 8/19/2007

Right.

And what's popular and iconic in America is often seen as irrelevant and laughable in other countries.

The Corvette is popular ONLY in America.

All I said was this: the styling is bland, performance is beatable, and build quality is questionable.

I never said "OMGTEHGTRISTEHGREATEST".

It WILL steal 'vette sales (which are sucking right now anyway).

While 'vette buyers may buy based on emotions, they SURE love to truck out the stats, so don't be too sure that they're not reading.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Jesda at 11:17 PM 8/19/2007

The GTR does not covet lusting outside of enthusiast circles, where people know exactly what it is. And be informed that sports car buyers, an emotional bunch with more money than knowledge, are not all sports car enthusiasts.

You and I, despite neither of us owning any $60,000 sports cars, know more about them and the corporations that build them than the typical Rich Guy Joe who walks into a Maserati dealer.

Take a survey of the world's population, ask which they'd rather have. Between the Corvette and GTR, they'll choose the only vehicle they actually know. Why? Its not because the GTR is an inferior product. Its because of culture, popularity, history, and media.

You are asserting that the GTR is a threat to the Corvette's iconic status, and you are wildly exaggerating the GTR's popularity outside of Japan. That COULD change, but it won't happen unless the GTR becomes an aspirational object. Being a brilliant sports car isnt enough to become an icon.

Despite the Corvette's worst years, its past mechanical flaws, and design duds, the "icon" status has remained firm. The GTR doesnt have the same advantage, because of its absence from the largest and wealthiest auto market in the world. There's decades of Chevy Corvette and Porsche 911 lust, coveting, and desire to catch up to.

Sorry Greg, I agree with some of what you're saying, but unseating an icon takes more than a great car.

Modified by Jesda at 7:30 AM 8/20/2007



Post Title:
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 11:53 PM 8/19/2007

Speculation is fun. We get to have discussions.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: HashiriyaS14 at 4:39 AM 8/20/2007

+1

This being sort of the POINT of forums, that, and I suppose technical knowledge.

At any rate, I agree that the GTR's worldwide success won't go very far in making it popular here with the kind of people who will have the money to buy them, but as I and others mentioned above, it won't matter because they will make so few in ALL years of production that the things will get snapped up on waiting lists year after year.

It will take 8-10 years before Nissan is comfortable enough with US perceptions of the GTR to try and sell anywhere near as many here as they sell in Japan (i.e. approaching Corvette numbers, at least in a "per capita" sense).



Post Title:
Posted by: sstomek at 10:09 AM 8/20/2007

Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 10:15 AM 8/20/2007

So...does whoever guess correctly win some sort of prize that will boost your ego? If so I'll pass. If it will boost my wallet then I'll participate. Otherwise I'll just wait for it to arrive



Post Title: Re: (S14SRPilot)
Posted by: Veriest1 at 1:01 PM 8/20/2007

No... but sharing opposing view points and discussing them allows a person to test his or her line of thought verses another persons thoughts and hopefully enable all parties involved to make more informed statements in the future.



Post Title:
Posted by: Onizuka at 2:09 PM 8/20/2007

There was some talk about the car being purchaced as a weekend toy? 4 seats + 4 drive wheels = 365 days of fun a year in my book.



Post Title:
Posted by: DriftReadyS13 at 2:10 PM 8/20/2007

Now as for its sales against the corvette, that will definitely be a toss up. I think that they each have their own market as there is no targa or convertible gtr. i will say that from a pricing aspect, the vette will have the edge seeing as how a normal c6 doesn't have a dealer markup like what these GTR's will have.

as for going up against 911's, a porsche owner is a porsche owner. alot of people that own a 911 own one because they either wanted it because they owned the hotwheels version of it when they were little or because they want to make a statement. the GTR definitely doesn't have the yuppy appeal that a 911 carries since it has never been in the states.

Finally, the whole issue of what it should be badged as. Granted it being an infiniti would mean that most people walking into the dealership could probably afford it, it just wouldn't fit into the infiniti line up. Infiniti is all about luxury and this car is not focused on luxury. My only question will be for when this car goes into the dealership for service. I personally have seen what goes on in the service departments of nissan dealerships here in south florida and trust me there are FAR and FEW great mechanics that should even be allowed to hold a wrench. Granted the car shouldn't be in the dealership for more than oil changes and brake replacements, but if there are any serious issues that end up plaguing the car, good luck to that owner getting his car serviced in the proper manner.



Post Title: Re: (Jesda)
Posted by: AZhitman at 7:08 PM 8/20/2007

Yep. And Jesda's one of the few people who I can disagree with and still know deep down that he's not full of s***.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 7:11 PM 8/20/2007

I know my car better than most of the techs at my dealership, and that's simply sad. Hell, I hang out with the foreman (20 years with Nissan) and he tells me some horror stories...

Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: daytona drifter at 7:12 PM 8/20/2007

then I can pick one up in few years cheap (think of the NSX.. values drop like a rock even though it's a great super car)



Post Title:
Posted by: filip9999 at 7:48 PM 8/20/2007

Corvette has been picking up quite well the last few years in Europe. It was a matter of improving the overall perception of quality to the public, and getting the GM dealerships in Europe on board with marketing the car to Europeans. Also, the C6 was the first generation that was designed towards the European driving characteristics(and tested @ the Nueranburg(I hate spelling it as I NEVER get it right and too lazy to look it up)). Like Nissan, GM focused the majority of it's corvette sales, in America where Corvette was born and nurtured for generations. Now, however, you can see Corvette events popping up all over Europe. People are importing C1, C2's, C3's, and C4's to Britain, Germany, and other countries, then hosting events where thousands of these cars that were never sold in Europe, have ended up. When several hundred corvettes show up for an all corvette event in Britain, you know there are people that love them. My cousin Chris, who's family is from Germany, tells me all the time about how Germans love Corvettes. I'd bet there's quite a few more corvettes in Germany, than all generations of skylines that came out of Japan.

Car enthusiasts might know alot about the GT-R, but your average person does not. The average person DOES however, know about the Corvette. It has 55 years of history. Granted most of that is in America, but there's alot of history in Europe too, not to mention the recent successes this past decade at Lemans with the C5R, and C6R.

Might I add, that the ZR-1 when it came out in 1990, blew everybody away around the world, with it's performance.

As to the newer corvettes being out-dated....

I 100% disagree with you Greg.

(for those that have good eyes, I'm parked next to a 78', 25th anniversary C3 that belongs to a gal I know quite well who also owns an old Porsche 911)



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: ishkabibble at 8:23 PM 8/20/2007

<- owned a '73



Post Title: Re: (Kenrik)
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:31 PM 8/20/2007

Ummm, exqueeze me?

The NSX holds its value like crazy. Hell, even the early ones are still commanding big bucks.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:37 PM 8/20/2007

2006:

22 years of innovation? Nope.

Trust me, I don't hate the car. I'm a fan. Always have been.

But the reality is, Detroit needs to take a giant leap soon or the supercars from Japan will take a bite out of sales.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: MinisterofDOOM at 10:43 PM 8/20/2007

One of the best drivetrains in the world, wrapped in a disappointing package.

Imagine the LSx with some of the innovations we're seeing in recent V6 engines from Toyota and Nissan... Frightening.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 11:53 PM 8/20/2007

Older ns-x's are going for ~$20-25k ish



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 12:02 AM 8/21/2007

As for the corvette discussion, everyone is entitled to their opinion about the corvette but my only quim with that car will be its interior. great motor, great handling, and the true definition of a sports car that doesn't break the wallet. GM has made leaps and bounds with the corvette so i can't really see where the bashing of it can be sourced from. EVERY single update (C4, C5, C6) has been a tremendous improvement on the previous model. Does this make it a better car than the GTR? No, but it will definitely NOT lose sales due to people running next door to the nissan dealership to get a GTR. As said before in this thread, there are different types of buyers for those cars.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: HashiriyaS14 at 7:06 AM 8/21/2007

The Corvette looks the way it does because Corvette buyers want it to look that way. GM has been itching to do a mid-engined Corvette for years but it will NEVER be the primary model because Corvette buyers want:

-To be able to fit 2 golf bags in the back
-To be able to comfortably daily drive it (many vettes are DD's, hence all the auto trans vettes out there)
-A car that LOOKS like "a Corvette", which is to say "along the same path of evolving the C4 aesthetic of the last 20 years"
-A simple OHV V8 that makes lots of low end and is inexpensive

The C7 might well have a mid-engined aluminum/carbon-bodied variant that will slot in where the Blue Devil will be for the C6. It will NEVER replace the base model however, which will forever be FR, OHV, FRP-bodied, etc...

At the end of the day, the fact that the base C6 laps so quickly is something of a function of there being no other real competitors out there in the price range. GM isn't TRYING to necessarily build the fastest-lapping track dominator for $40k, they're trying to build something that Corvette buyers will want to own.

If someone else wants to come along and engineer a wild tech-laden vehicle for roughly the same price that will lap a little faster and then sell it in small numbers to people who will track it, it won't really change anything. It won't be competition, it isn't the same sort of car, it's trying to do something else entirely.

Oh, and NSX's do hold their value astoundingly, given what they are. A NICE 1991 NSX still sells for $30k, and what did they cost new in 91, like maybe $50-60k? That's pretty amazing......



Post Title:
Posted by: BOOMSHAKALAKA at 8:15 AM 8/21/2007

*miserable attempt @ trying to get back on topic



Post Title: Re: (BOOMSHAKALAKA)
Posted by: PapaSmurf2k3 at 8:50 AM 8/21/2007

All that said, its gonna come down to the test drive, support (Vette will undoubtedly win this, but we'll see), reliabilty, and if all els fails, dealer experience. To be honest, I have always wanted a vette, and a 911 as well. The GTR is a new up-and-comer in my eyes (now that it is attainable that is). Time will tell.

And the vette style might be dated, but it does have modern flares, and timeless body lines. There are many cars that I wish kept their body lines, and Corvette did it, so props to them. Lots of cars coming out now-a-days (or previous generations) look like crap compared to their predacessors (think the new WRX).



Post Title: Re: (PapaSmurf2k3)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 9:21 AM 8/21/2007

Hell I'd love to have a GT-R, a C6 Z06, and a GT3 Porsche sittting in a garage with my name on the titles. Would be one ballin' garage you'd have to admit that. However, since I can't afford any of them without selling off everything, I'll stick with what I have now.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: PapaSmurf2k3 at 10:24 AM 8/21/2007

(That's part of the airflow management - it's a cheap way to increase aerodynamics and reduce wind noise.)



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: datsun2401972 at 12:00 AM 9/1/2007

The fact that nissan is following porsche with vtg turbines is absolutely awesome. And I think that fact really hints at what nissan was going after, the 997 turbo.

And really, I think they've used the 911 as their standard ever since the R32 chassis gtr's were born. I think that says alot about compairing a GTR to a corvette...it wasn't supposed to be. Of course people still compair them! But look at the buyers...Corvette: Older men, nice husbands, nice fathers, and rich widows. GTR: People who look for, and can afford, the highest tech car for the price.

Sure there are some young buyers for new corvettes, I know one personally. Guess what he did when his brand new(at the time) Z06 got spanked by a S/C SVT mustang? He bought a mustang.

My point here is, people talk about a corvette being an Icon(which it certainly is). But what kind of icons are kids cherishing today? What exactly that is I don't know. But what it isn't, is traditional.

I hate to say it, but ever since FnF came out, people have been buying up imports like hotcakes. Dealerships actually sell used imports with worthless aftermarket parts(read dubs, ground kits, clear corners, wings, etc) for MORE than the average price!. And people are BUYING them!

So what does this tell me about nissan? They chose the most opportune time to start importing GTRs to the states.

That's just my opinion though. I know I won't be able to afford the new GTR when it comes, but to me it will be an icon. Just like the 911 was the first time I saw it. And besides, GTR is too close to "GTR'DONE!" for this okie not to love.



Post Title: Re: (MattB)
Posted by: 160Z at 5:55 AM 9/20/2007

21psi peak through 3.8L of variable valve timing goodness is well more than 4-500hp. Like closer to a whole crap ton. I see boost staying around 10-12psi.

In order to make that much torque that low the engine is going to have some insane volumetric efficiency.

The gtr has already beaten the 911's time at the nurb, and they're creeping up on the Carrera GT. Vette owners are going to be buttsore when this thing ships.



Post Title:
Posted by: usdm_180sx at 8:27 AM 10/17/2007

Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: maxnix at 5:32 PM 10/17/2007

Quote, originally posted by maxnix »

I didn't know there was a Corvette SUV!

Yep! It's the best looking Corvette since 1977!



Post Title:
Posted by: Mr1der at 6:34 PM 10/17/2007

see that small piece of silver?

that has vette bumper written all over it...

but at the same time, I don't see how JS's comment disproves the outdated...

they're outdated in the same way a revolver is to an auto pistol...older technology...but just as potent. Stupid LS motors...



Post Title: Re: (Mr1der)
Posted by: ishkabibble at 7:07 PM 10/17/2007

I know, we had a silver '79 C3. Hated it. It caught fire and burnt our garage down; a fitting end for that POS. I was more sad about losing my mountain bike in the garage fire than the car.

Every Vette from '78 onward has the same basic shape. *yawn*



Post Title: Re: (Mr1der)
Posted by: hsckris at 6:40 AM 10/18/2007

there is absolutely no question in my mind that right now the c6 is the best new performance vehicle for the $ available, and the c5 is the best used performance vehicle for the $ available.



Post Title: Re: (hsckris)
Posted by: chromesilver6 at 8:16 AM 10/18/2007

They are in the same class -- high end performance cars. And most of those buyers don't give a crap whether its front, rear, or mid engine or rear or all wheel drive...

Quote, originally posted by chromesilver6 »

I personally cant wait to see what the aftermarket does with the new GT-R. Its gonna be crazy.

I hope so. Traditionally Nissan has had less of an aftermarket than other vehicles. And, not to bring up the vette comparision again, i wonder how it'll compare to other performance vehicles' aftermarkets.



Post Title: Re: (hsckris)
Posted by: zozoka1212 at 9:24 AM 10/18/2007

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/286421

zozo



Post Title: Re: (VMPhil)
Posted by: idahotuner at 11:58 AM 11/6/2007

Not so much.

http://forums.corvetteforum.co...74038

You can't talk about what times the car is pulling, until people actually are able to see PRODUCTION cars running. 7:50 is not a 7:38.



Post Title:
Posted by: AZhitman at 11:06 AM 12/2/2007

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (skylinegtst93)
Posted by: Camry at 12:38 PM 12/2/2007

I'm gonna have to say R32 is best to DATE!!!



Post Title:
Posted by: Jager at 3:51 PM 12/2/2007

what id be most interested in knowing is thoughts from you all about why nissan didnt use their v10 titan engine in the GTR. its an established beast that can really put down serious numbers. is it a weight thing? or just size?

im honestly happy that nissan is keeping the GTR nissan. i really with lexus acura, infiniti etc jsut stayed their base company names. nothing is more annoyign as a car enthusiast to be admiring a luxury car and have the owner talk down about the other cars its related to. best example a guy with an is 300 was busy telling me that his lexus was not a toyota and it was so much better build quality so it couldnt be a toyota.....

to greg and jesda and the others discussing innovation, I wish the big 4 in detriot would innovate with cars more, though i do applaud the corvette staying close to its roots. its just a shame that they have kickass concept cars and never really bring those to fruition though. id have killed for the concept shelby in 04 that ford was making.

Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: JustinStrife at 6:50 PM 12/2/2007

If they used a V10 you could probably expect dimensions more similar to the Dodge Viper in the front end. Especially when trying to get most of such a large motor situated behind the front axle line. Not to mention the added mass from a turbo system on a V motor tends to be fairly low, providing a more optimal center of gravity. Of course this is more speculative, but that would be the biggest strengths that I'd consider.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: redtop91 at 4:54 PM 12/3/2007

GTR would drop my panties. But I'm easy



Post Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS! Nissan GTR Engine Revealed (AZhitman)
Posted by: leather-seat at 12:03 PM 12/9/2007

Get on Live *****.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: redtop91 at 6:36 PM 12/9/2007

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 »

Man my Xbox is broken I just bought my last upgrade on my Z06 on Forza Motorsport too

Was getting my *** kicked on doubles last night with a friend. 2 games I let us down. 3-4 times he let us down. Think we only won 2 out of like 8.



Post Title: Re: (JustinStrife)
Posted by: ishkabibble at 7:28 PM 12/9/2007

Most women don't know the difference between models of Corvettes.



Post Title: Re: (ishkabibble)
Posted by: redtop91 at 7:29 PM 12/9/2007

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 »

Yeah. Ish is just knows a 'Vette is a 'Vette.

No way. 1967 'Vette with an L88 > all other 'Vettes.



Post Title: Re: (ishkabibble)
Posted by: redtop91 at 8:10 PM 12/9/2007

Post Title: Re: (ishkabibble)
Posted by: SEV6 at 8:13 PM 12/9/2007

What? did someone just mention my dream car? I do believe they did.



Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: BoostFab at 8:41 PM 12/9/2007

Quote, originally posted by AZhitman »

Even chicks know Corvettes are for senior citizens.

Quote, originally posted by redtop91 »

SO unoriginal. I expect more of you.

< Contact Us - NICO >