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Posted by: Vkoslak at 1:33 PM 2/17/2006
a) I have a fat savings account, I want a Skyline. Where can I get one?
b) I found an auction for a Skyline - Can I buy it and register it?
c) My friend's brother's cousin has a Skyline, and it's registered in Florida!
d) This shop says their Skylines are registered and titled in the US, so how is that a problem?
From - http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html
I. Importing a Nissan Skyline.
The Nissan Skyline was not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle that is less than 25 years old can only be lawfully imported into the U.S. if (1) it is determined eligible for importation by NHTSA and (2) it is imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI to bring the vehicle into compliance with all applicable FMVSS within 120 days of entry.
Import eligibility decisions are made on a make, model, and model year basis. NHTSA has determined that the 1990-1999 versions of the RHD Nissan GTS and GTR (“Skyline”) are eligible for importation and has assigned vehicle eligibility number VCP-17 to those vehicles. (The import eligibility number is to be entered on the HS-7 Declaration form that is to be given to Customs at the time of entry, and alerts Customs that the vehicle may be lawfully imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI, even though the vehicle is not certified by its manufacturer as complying with all applicable FMVSS.)
To learn the modifications the petitioner stated were needed to conform to the 1990-1999 Skyline to the FMVSS, you should go to the DOT Docket website at http://dms.dot.gov and enter docket number 5507 in the appropriate block on the simple search screen. A list of RIs can be found on our website at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import. You should consult the importers on that list to see whether any are willing to conform the vehicle that you seek to import to all applicable safety and bumper standards, and if so, what they would charge for that work.
If you decide to import the vehicle, one potential complicating factor is that the RI who petitioned NHTSA to determine the 1990-1999 model Skyline eligible for importation requested, and was granted, confidentiality with respect to the modifications needed to conform to the vehicle to certain of the standards. As a consequence, that importer (Motorex of Gardena, CA) has claimed a proprietary interest in the modifications covered by the confidentiality grant. This does not preclude other RIs from attempting to modify the vehicle. However, should those importers not gain access to the modifications covered by the grant confidentiality, they will have to demonstrate to the agency, at the time they submit a conformity certification package for a Skyline, that they have made equivalent modifications that permit the vehicle to comply with the standards covered by the confidentiality grant.
Please note that we determined the vehicle eligible for importation based on its capability of being modified to comply with all applicable standards. We did not approve Motorex, or any other RI as the “exclusive” importer of the vehicle. As previously indicated, another RI is free to import the vehicle, but will have to demonstrate in the conformity package submitted to the agency to obtain release of the conformance bond furnished at the time of importation that the vehicle has been brought into conformity with all applicable standards, including those covered by the grant of confidentiality to Motorex.
You should note that if you were to import the vehicle, the necessary modifications would have to be made by an RI, and that importer would have to certify to us that the vehicle conforms to all applicable FMVSS in effect on its date of manufacture before the vehicle could be released to be licensed or registered for on-road use. One of the reasons that an RI is required to import and modify a vehicle that was not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS is because the RI stands in the stead of the vehicle’s original manufacturer to provide the vehicle’s owner with notification and remedy in the event that the vehicle is determined to contain a safety-related defect or a noncompliance with an applicable safety standard. Because the original manufacturer would not be responsible for the vehicle being in the U.S., it would have no legal obligation to perform this import safety responsibility.
Questions regarding modifications to conform the vehicle to applicable emissions standards should be directed to the EPA.
More good reading:
http://nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/ELIG010906.html
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: cvcdvr at 8:10 AM 2/17/2006
| Quote, originally posted by cvcdvr » |
| is there a list of mods needed to make legal or does motorex only know |
You can certainly GUESS, but if you get it wrong, you're in danger of losing the car.
Besides, where are you gonna get bumper reinforcements for an R32?
Post Title: Re: (Vkoslak)
Posted by: AZhitman at 1:24 PM 2/17/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Vkoslak » |
| What if I wanted to import one older than 25? Impossible to find maybe, but it would be good info to know if I ever got the opportunity. |
Shouldn't be an issue then.
Keep in mind, you're talking about a pre-80 Skyline. Not only are these undesireable, but remember that the chances of getting one cheap are nearly nil - The registration costs in Japan to keep one would be astronomical. Might find one in Australia or the UK, but still unlikely.
I was considering an early 70's model, until I found a few. $35K BEFORE importation / transport / Customs / etc. No thanks.
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Posted by: Vkoslak at 1:33 PM 2/17/2006
I also ran across this:
5. Importing a Canadian-certified vehicle; need for automatic restraints.
Before it can be lawfully imported into the U.S., a vehicle that was not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS, and/or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, must first be determined eligible for importation by NHTSA. The agency has determined that Canadian-certified passenger cars manufactured on or after September 1, 1989, are eligible for importation, provided those vehicles are equipped with automatic restraints that meet the requirements of FMVSS No. 208, “Occupant Crash Protection.” If a vehicle manufactured on or after that date is not equipped with automatic restraints, it has not been determined eligible for importation. Without this determination, the vehicle cannot lawfully be imported into the U.S.
So if someone gets a skyline certified in canada, then gets whatever seatbelt requirements are needed and the kph changed to mph, it should be legally importable? Guess I would have to call a RI that imports from canada to find out for sure.
Post Title: Re: (Vkoslak)
Posted by: Eikon at 3:53 PM 2/17/2006
That clause has been tested from what I recall... and failed.
The issue is that the car has to have been manufactured for Canadian sale. The car had to be sold originally in Canada.
Wouldn't it be nice though...
Post Title: Re: (Eikon)
Posted by: themadscientist at 10:36 PM 2/17/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Shouldn't be an issue then. Keep in mind, you're talking about a pre-80 Skyline. Not only are these undesireable, but remember that the chances of getting one cheap are nearly nil- The registration costs in Japan to keep one would be astronomical. Might find one in Australia or the UK, but still unlikely. I was considering an early 70's model, until I found a few. $35K BEFORE importation / transport / Customs / etc. No thanks. |
Early 70's Skyline, good luck Greg. They are hard to find for sale. If you can find one, be ready to pay at a minimum 25K easy. Ones in excellent condition I have seen sell for about 65K. I saw one in a Goo magazine when I was looking for a car when I first got here. MINT ALL ORIGINAL no mods Hakosuka (KPGC10) 4DR that went for, and I am not exagerating at all, 12,500,000 yen. Which converts to around 105K give or take a few hundred.
Also, keeping cars registered in Japan isn't the expensive part. It's keeping its bi-annual inspections up to date and the taxes. You are taxed on the engine size of a car. If it were a S20, 2.0L 2000cc engine, it would be resonable. But if it were say an RB26 under there, you would have to pay to get the registration changed to reflect that. And your taxes would go up because you now have a larger engine in the car, which also means you need new plates, and now have to do another sha-ken (the inspection I mentioned earlier.)
The sha-ken is the most expensive part of owning a car in Japan. Parking if you live in an apartment is usually around $50, and if you have a house, with a "driveway", you are G2G. But paying around $3000 every two years just to be able to drive your car can get a little pricey.
And you people complain about smog checks. Try owning a car here, then tell me you hate paying to get your car smogged. 
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: themadscientist at 2:11 AM 2/20/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| If they are an RI, approved to import and legalize Skylines, and are in compliance will all NHTSA guidelines, then you're set. |
But isn't Motorex the only one that has ever fully complied with all that? I see lots of web sites for companies that claim to be able to do all that. Then they mysteriously disappear after a little while....
Hmm I don't know if "Motorex" and "fully comply" should be in the same sentence.
Post Title: Re: (Caplax40)
Posted by: sean8564 at 4:29 PM 2/26/2006
| Quote, originally posted by DJO_MD » |
| The man I spoke with through E-Mail has claimed that they can legalize the Skylines and that the easiest to do are 93-95s with two airbags |
sounds like hes a crock of **** and just wants your money, if he knew anything hed know the 96-98 GTRs were the first with dual airbags.
the 93-95 would be an R32, it most certainly did not have dual airbags, not even 1 airbag for that matter.
i own an R32 GTR, the only active-saftey feature it has is locking seatbelts.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:23 AM 2/27/2006
p.s. Welcome aboard - Pics of the 32? Please? 
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: bankrup3000gt at 7:33 PM 3/7/2006
Post Title: Re: (bankrup3000gt)
Posted by: sean8564 at 6:02 PM 3/8/2006
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| Thank you for not just saying, "if you want a skyline buy a G35"... I hate it when people call the G35 a Skyline. IT'S NOT A SKYLINE. Just a Skyline Body. R34 for life. |
You people and your theory's of the Skyline dying with the R34.
I would take a Hokosuka over a 34 any day of the week. Resale on those is, at times, twice that of an R34.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: l31nismo at 5:57 PM 3/11/2006
P.S. I'm now Selling my 2002 Nissan Infiniti AltiMaxI35 for any form of 350 Z35 Skyline.......... Note the hostile sarcasm.
Modified by l31nismo at 7:03 PM 3/11/2006
Modified by l31nismo at 7:09 PM 3/11/2006
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Posted by: AZhitman at 7:18 PM 3/11/2006
The fact that the same identical car is badged a Skyline in the Japanese market is what makes the difference.
Just like a J30 is a Leopard J Ferie, a Q is a Cima, and an M is a Fuga.
Don't ***** at us, ***** at Nissan.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: Rex at 7:28 PM 3/11/2006
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| You just validated my point. They share a chassis. The Maxima and Altima share a chassis, are they the same car.....NO! The 350 has the same chassis as the G35, Is the 350 also a Skyline then? Is a 1.8S Sentra the same as an SER Spec-V? Is a Sylvia the same as an American 240SX? Is a Mustang LX the same as a Saleen S281 just because the bodies are similar? NO!!! But by your reasoning my 02 Altima is actually a Maxima, which would actually be an Infiniti I35, so I should stop telling people I own a Altima and call it an I35 instead. Maybe I can sell it for more when I'm ready to by my G35, which according to you is actually a Skyline so then my dream car would actually be that much closer to reality, Gee thanks for clearing that up for me.The skyline has the RB25DETT and the G35 has the VQ35DE. Two different motors. ie...It's not a skyline. There are major differences between the cars. Any purist would know that the G35 is not a damn Skyline. You wanna argue with that? I've got all night, let's see who runs out of facts first.......... P.S. I'm now Selling my 2002 Nissan Infiniti AltiMaxI35 for any form of 350 Z35 Skyline.......... Note the hostile sarcasm.
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Oh, just for clarification, the 350Z is a Z33, not a V35, so it does not chare the same chassis as the current Skyline and G35 coupe. And the Max is an A33, and the Altima is an L31.
You're facts aren't accurate at all .
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Rex)
Posted by: l31nismo at 7:39 PM 3/11/2006
Just because you don't WANT it to be the same car, doesn't make it so.
It's not a GT-R. We understand. We got it. But it IS the identical car to the 2003-2006 SKYLINE. Period.
Quit being rude.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 7:56 PM 3/11/2006
The Altima and Maxima DO NOT share a common front subframe.
The LCA from each car is more than $100 difference in price. They're different parts. That's just the FIRST part I checked.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: l31nismo at 7:59 PM 3/11/2006
Even though it shares components, fact is, it's still not the same. It's not that I don't want it to be, it's just not. Like the Saleen and the Mustang LX. They share alot of the same components but the LX is not a Saleen. And I think the difference is a little less than 98%. Engine and Tranny makes less of a percentage than that. Regardless both vehicles are badass. I just wanted to make my point. Once again sorry for being rude. You guys all rock. 
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:01 PM 3/11/2006
The Skyline and G35 share engine and drivetrain. The emblems, emissions controls, and right-hand-drive are the ONLY differences.
Glad to have you aboard. For what it's worth, I have a G35 Coupe and I ain't putting Skyline badges on it. :D
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: l31nismo at 8:05 PM 3/11/2006
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| Are you just rambling magazine facts. The Altima and Maxima Sub-frames are identical. You can swap suspension components between the 2. I know this because I work on these cars all day long. Unless you've dropped the front cradle on any of these cars your opinions are not valid to me. Maybe to someone else but I know the fact, and that fact is despite the chassis codes these cars are similar but in fact NOT the same which is the point I was trying to make in the first place so instead of trying to critique my writing why don't you analyze the entire point of my senseless rambling. The G35 is not a Skyline....... |
They are different chassis codes, regardless of interchangability of parts. Your logic for swapping suspension parts if flawed, because you can swap parts between a Q45 (G50) and a 300Z (Z32) and there's no way you're goign to convince anyone those are the same cars .
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Rex)
Posted by: l31nismo at 11:21 AM 3/12/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Rex » |
They are different chassis codes, regardless of interchangability of parts. Your logic for swapping suspension parts if flawed, because you can swap parts between a Q45 (G50) and a 300Z (Z32) and there's no way you're goign to convince anyone those are the same cars |
Uh dude, we finished with that already. Sorry.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: sean8564 at 3:46 PM 3/12/2006
| Quote, originally posted by sean8564 » |
| OH snap Mr JDM has to Jump in with my 2 cents Ok look the JDM skyline is exacitlly identical to the G35 in fact we got the best version of it here in the states you know the base models run a VQ25DE and the best models the GT350 have a VQ35DE and I agree with neal the KPCG10 out dose any BNR34 chassis car and the resail is apporx for a true one 7 Million Yen while a BNR34 I sold the last on for 4.165 Million and you can pick up a ER34 coupe 5 spd which is a RB20E for 300,000 Yen and that was a grade 4 |
Don't you mean a QR25DE? The VQ code is limited to the V6. The QR25DE is the motor that comes in the Spec-V Sentra and S model Altima's as well as Base model Frontier's and X-Terra's. I'm not arguing with the Base Skyline having a 4 cyl because I honestly don't know but the only motor available in the G35 is the VQ35DE which is a V6. As far as I'm aware Infiniti no longer offers 4 cyl motors. V6 And V8's only.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: sean8564 at 7:58 PM 3/12/2006
| Quote, originally posted by sean8564 » |
| It is a VQ25DD A 2.5 V6 Google the motor up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine |
Man that is badass. I never even heard of that. Thanks for educating me. Man That's kind of cool. I guess that's the Smallest V6 Nissan Makes in a Skyline? I always thought the VQ prefix never had anything smaller than a 3.0L. I was wrong. Thanks again.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: sean8564 at 6:39 PM 3/13/2006
You have to have a Registered Importer do it for you... ie. Sean who posted above.
As a show/track car, you don't get a legit vin#. You are restricted to the number of miles per year it can be driven. It can't be driven on the street (legally). It's hard to insure. It will be hard to sell since few people are in the market for a car they can't drive...
Edit for clarity since this is a sticky...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html
If given specific approval, it can be driven up to 2500 miles per year. Should be to and from shows or simply to keep engine in running order.
Modified by Eikon at 3:35 PM 3/20/2006
Post Title: Re: (Eikon)
Posted by: GTR at 1:15 PM 3/20/2006
If it's brough in as a track car, it can't have (or be issued) a VIN, and therefore can't be registered legally.
Really, if it was THAT easy (think about it guys) I'd have a few of 'em. Right?
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Eikon at 2:33 PM 3/20/2006
"ON-ROAD USE
A vehicle eligible for Show or Display may receive NHTSA approval to be driven on the highway. The odometer must not register more than 2,500 miles in a 12-month period. NHTSA approval of limited on-road use is to allow the vehicle to be driven to and from nearby displays of similar automobiles. Another reason permission is granted is to maintain the vehicle’s engine, braking, lighting, and other dynamic systems in good working order. The vehicle is still required to meet EPA requirements. If the original engine in the vehicle will be replaced with a non-original engine to meet EPA requirements, it must be identified in your application since it may impact on the technological or historical significance of the vehicle."
To and from a car show, and with express permission to maintain engine, braking, etc...
You get pulled over by the cops in your "show" skyline... you can kiss it goodbye! Impound and crush...
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Posted by: GTR at 3:58 PM 3/20/2006
And "The vehicle is still required to meet EPA requirements." Hard to meet in a car with NO emissions equipment.
Again, if it was doable, I'd have 2, they'd be a tax-writeoff for me.
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Posted by: GTR at 1:07 PM 3/21/2006
Read this page for more information
Post Title: Re: (DanCouga)
Posted by: GTR at 4:43 PM 3/21/2006
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| Is it true that there are Skylines all over Canada? If it is I would think it would be a little easier to get them here. I've heard that if you Yank the Engine, Trans and harness from the car. Ship those parts separatley then ship the car. They don't list it as shipping a car but shipping Parts. Is this true? Plus my wife is in the Air Force and we are trying to get stationed in Japan. If we get it, is it easier for me to get a Skyline back. I've heard the Government will let you but you have to sign some sort of contract saying you won't sell the car or some ****. Is this also true? If not is there still an easier way for me since I'm in a military family to get that Beautifull sexxxy beast in my Garage? |
Being in the Military doesn't make it any eaiser to get it back stateside. I had a friend when I was stationed down Yokosuka way that was trying to get an R32 GTS4 turbo back to the states. He tried for three years and gave up. Aparently, the Skyline is still sitting on base, he is still the registered owner, but it's been impounded
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: GTR at 7:27 AM 3/25/2006
To bring one back in, it has to meet EPA and DOT standards. You cannot resale the vehcile. I will find a link to all of the information as soon as I can.
Greg, I think it might be good to find a registered importer/independent commercial importer just for this section.
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Posted by: Vkoslak at 8:54 AM 4/6/2006
It would only have to meet US standards for the year it was produced right?
Mostly I'm just curious.
It would be nice if the data Motorex collected could become public domain. Or if someone could buy it and make it public domain (not holding my breath)
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Posted by: sugarbear225 at 5:13 PM 4/8/2006
Ok, here we go:
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| If they are an RI, approved to import and legalize Skylines, and are in compliance will all NHTSA guidelines, then you're set. |
| Quote, originally posted by sean8564 » |
| acctually now the only federal Legal skylines are from 1/1/96 to 6/30/98 R33 GTS and GTR this is because motorex cheated on there documentation to the federal govermant and said that the R33 was produced from 1990-99 and now we all have to suffer cause of that. so if you want a R32 you must buy 2 cars and have them crash tested first by NHTSA and then you must be a importer able to conform to the fedral chrash test standards of 1989-1994. same is true for a R34 also the laws states that cars over 25 years can be brought in with out any problem |
This means that, if I want to import and federalize a 96+ R33 GTR, all I'd have to do is find a RI on the NHSTA's list that would help me do so [modifying the car to meet standards]. Right?
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html
So... does anyone know which RI's [on the east coast] are currently willing and able to import and federalize/legalize a 96+ R33 GTR?
sean8564, iirc, in another thread [about one of the r32's you brought in], you said that you knew someone who could legalize, but didn't know how much it would cost (?).
also, a friend of mine who frequents nasioc.com (subaru forums), showed me a meet photo thread with photos of a R32 GTR with NY plates, owner said he bought it legalized from a importer in Long Island? Anyone have info on that? I googled 'skyline gtr long island import' and came up with this place:
Moto Imports, 15 Trade Zone Drive, Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 ::shrugs::
Post Title: Re: (sean8564)
Posted by: Vkoslak at 10:35 PM 4/10/2006
Cool beans. When do you think you will have some r32 gts-t/gtr available?
I'll have to unload my 300zx TT before I can get one though :x
My wife would kill me!
Post Title: Re: (Vkoslak)
Posted by: impreziv at 12:51 AM 4/14/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Vkoslak » |
| sean8564 Cool beans. When do you think you will have some r32 gts-t/gtr available? I'll have to unload my 300zx TT before I can get one though :x |
maybe you werent paying attention...
never
the R32 isnt allowed to be imported, unless you find a RI that wants to go thru the motions of crashtesting and re-engineering the structural integrity of the car.
ive had the front bumper off my R32, and i tell you, now i understand why Hiro lied about the R32 being just as good as the R33 (safety-wise).
im currently looking at the requirements of getting R34s up to spec for Transport-Canada. its looking very easy, but im not making any plans. this is 99.9% curiousity.
Post Title: Re: (Vkoslak)
Posted by: sean8564 at 7:34 AM 4/14/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Vkoslak » |
| sean8564 Cool beans. When do you think you will have some r32 gts-t/gtr available? I'll have to unload my 300zx TT before I can get one though :x |
| Quote, originally posted by sonicsam » |
| so your sayin' the GTR you have available comes with a title? and with a title and a willing insurance company i should be able to drive it on the streets (though not completely legal)? if this is true, i cud be a possible customer a month or so from now. |
| Quote, originally posted by Vkoslak » |
| With the only currently 49 maybe 50 state legal skylines being after 1996, wouldnt they all need to be made odb2 compliant? |
also, iirc, you guys are working with JK to test R32's for NHTSA so that they can be legalized again, and i think that's awesome 
what's the progress on that and is a estimate on the cost of a legalized one and the approximate time for availibilty of r32 legalization possible at this time?
Post Title: Re: (sonicsam)
Posted by: takaramotors at 8:44 PM 4/21/2006
Out of morbid curiosity, how many r32's will you have to sell in order to recoup your costs? As much as I love the r32, if there wasn't some profit in it, I couldn't see attempting to legalize the r32 for the US. I couldn't see a bank giving a loan to setup business importing r32s without a solid business plan either. Unless you just got cash to burn
Post Title: Re: (takaramotors)
Posted by: sonicsam at 3:33 PM 4/29/2006
also, if i were to purchase the r32 gtr that you have in right now and wanted to transfer the title to my state (NY), would it be as a foreign imported car (requiring original [japanese] title (de-reg papers?) and customs papers as proof of ownership and passing through customs) or as a normal car from a out-of-state owner? or both?
Post Title: Re: (sonicsam)
Posted by: sean8564 at 6:52 PM 4/29/2006
| Quote, originally posted by sean8564 » |
| we have one yaer to adjust the R32 to pass standards of 1989. |
Sean, you're gonna fail miserably...lol. J/K homie.
I got your call today too, and yeah, I was asleep.
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Posted by: choi0706 at 1:29 PM 5/9/2006
| Quote, originally posted by choi0706 » |
| I've got one for sale http://houston.craigslist.org/car/148953361.html |
| Quote, originally posted by sonicsam » |
| so do all the skylines [gtr's] you guys bring in have titles? and are more r32 gtr's on their way over to the US? i'm really interested in picking one up by or around summer time. are there any NY skyline owners on this board that could share experiences on registering and insuring (process, cost, etc)? also, iirc, you guys are working with JK to test R32's for NHTSA so that they can be legalized again, and i think that's awesome |
I'm a new owner, I am currently insured thru Progressive and they are costing me an arm and a leg (almost 5 digits) a year on insurance (full coverage). They are the only ones who do not ask for DOT papers. Now here's the catch, my bro-in-law works for them, if something happens to the car and they run a check with DOT, they have the right NOT to pay for the claim. I'm looking into State Farm and other insurance comapnies, most if not all requires DOT and EPA paperwork, that's my current experience.
If registering for the first time, you will need the De-Reg with translation, copy of the 7501, insurance and a vin verification.
Regards,
John
Post Title: Re: (JaS3113)
Posted by: Forgoten214 at 4:40 PM 5/29/2006
| Quote, originally posted by JaS3113 » |
I'm a new owner, I am currently insured thru Progressive and they are costing me an arm and a leg (almost 5 digits) a year on insurance (full coverage). They are the only ones who do not ask for DOT papers. Now here's the catch, my bro-in-law works for them, if something happens to the car and they run a check with DOT, they have the right NOT to pay for the claim. I'm looking into State Farm and other insurance comapnies, most if not all requires DOT and EPA paperwork, that's my current experience. Regards, |
Actually, I have liability with Progressive, and they told me that I had to have one of 3 documents. I don't remember the first two, but I know they had something to do with US Customs and Border Protection (Form HS-7) and a document from the NHTSA stating that the vehicle complies with ALL applicable FMVSS of the year in which the car was manufactured. The third document is simple...State vehicle registration. They told me to fax that to them once I got it and I would have no problem. That registration, according to them, states that the car is allowed to be driven on the streets. I have done the best I could. The car is titled and registered as exactly what it is! NOT A BOTCHED 240 VIN! After all, it's up to the states to enforce the laws, not the Federal Government. The Federal Government can only regulate the importation! So if a car is smuggled in....
Post Title: Re: (Forgoten214)
Posted by: zoborax at 2:28 AM 6/10/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Forgoten214 » |
| there isnt anyone that can legalize them professionally? in the US? |
Actually, Yes.
J.K. Technologies in MD can do it. They were the ones who initially did the R33 crash testing, which allowed the vehicles to be eligible for importation and to be Federally "legalized." They were the ones who sold the rights to Motorex. But since Motorex is "Tits Up," J.K. now does it again! Of course, only 1996 to 1998 model years, since the NHTSA recinsion. Of course, you'll have to pay at least $20k - $50k above and beyond the cost of purchasing the car, shipping the car, and bonding the car. So yes, you can, but you'll still pay dearly! GOD BLESS THIS GREAT LAND OF FREEDOM! ( AHEM...FREE FOR THE AFFLUENT!).
Post Title: Re: (zoborax)
Posted by: takaramotors at 2:33 PM 6/11/2006
| Quote, originally posted by takaramotors » |
| they wont touch a skyline I should know they are doing my crash testing cause of the EPA so that is the other reason for the R32 choice |
That's interesting! I talked with the guys at J.K. about three weeks ago! They told me that they could convert a car for me, but it would cost me $20k! Ironically, that was for a 1995, which is not even eligible for importation anymore! They said for a 1996-1998, it would cost about $50k! What a freak'n ripp-off! All you need to do, Takara, is become a registered importer and have MGA Research Corporation do your crash testing. Though, you may have to retrofit dual airbags to pacify the passive restraint requirement, which lead to the lovely NHTSA recinsion to only allow '96-98' skylines to be eliglbe for importation. I just hope that if you are successful with the R32 skylines, you don't crank the price so high that most genuine enthusiasts cannot afford one! Good luck!
Post Title: Re: (takaramotors)
Posted by: DJ42 at 8:15 AM 6/21/2006
Yes..... Mine is Legal through Motorex.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 6:10 PM 6/24/2006
Folks, please read the first post in this thread.
I had $30K burning a hole in my pocket - I have connections all over the world, friends in the DMV, friends who work for Customs, a friend who imports cars from Japan and the UK, friends in law enforcement, a friend who works for NHTSA, and several friends in Japan.
On top of all that, a Skyline would be a full tax write-off for me.
See one in my driveway?
Case closed.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: kouki180sx at 2:36 PM 7/5/2006
| Quote, originally posted by kouki180sx » |
| Did your new car not come with a Skyline plate? Hmmm? Bahaha! |
| Quote, originally posted by zoborax » |
Actually, I have liability with Progressive, and they told me that I had to have one of 3 documents. I don't remember the first two, but I know they had something to do with US Customs and Border Protection (Form HS-7) and a document from the NHTSA stating that the vehicle complies with ALL applicable FMVSS of the year in which the car was manufactured. The third document is simple...State vehicle registration. They told me to fax that to them once I got it and I would have no problem. That registration, according to them, states that the car is allowed to be driven on the streets. I have done the best I could. The car is titled and registered as exactly what it is! NOT A BOTCHED 240 VIN! After all, it's up to the states to enforce the laws, not the Federal Government. The Federal Government can only regulate the importation! So if a car is smuggled in.... |
interesting
Post Title: Re: (Vkoslak)
Posted by: phantomracer at 9:42 PM 7/5/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Vkoslak » |
| What if I wanted to import one older than 25? Impossible to find maybe, but it would be good info to know if I ever got the opportunity. |
its not immpossible to find one 25 years old you just have to know were to look. there r a couple compaines in Japan that will ship cars to the US. i kno thi because i was gonna import an R32 but to regestire it was goona be anther $15k on top of the price for the car and the shipping and to customize to fit the US laws.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: zoborax at 3:12 PM 7/6/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| I keep getting the emails, at least 2 a week.... Folks, please read the first post in this thread. I had $30K burning a hole in my pocket - I have connections all over the world, friends in the DMV, friends who work for Customs, a friend who imports cars from Japan and the UK, friends in law enforcement, a friend who works for NHTSA, and several friends in Japan. On top of all that, a Skyline would be a full tax write-off for me. See one in my driveway? Case closed.[/QUOTE[QUOTE=AZhitman]I keep getting the emails, at least 2 a week.... Folks, please read the first post in this thread. I had $30K burning a hole in my pocket - I have connections all over the world, friends in the DMV, friends who work for Customs, a friend who imports cars from Japan and the UK, friends in law enforcement, a friend who works for NHTSA, and several friends in Japan. On top of all that, a Skyline would be a full tax write-off for me. See one in my driveway? Case closed. |
Okay, well maybe you want to have a dignified blessing from the FEDS. If so, that's your perogative, and there is nothing wrong with that. All I can say is that I had one titled and registered in the State of Georgia as a Nissan Skyline. It was sitting in my driveway until last Sunday afternoon, when I sold it (for my asking price.). It was also insured as a Nissan Skyline. A picture of it is even posted in one of my posts in this thread.
All I am saying is that it IS possible to have one in the states without going through the FEDS. BTW, I've been pulled over in it and no problem. I guess there's no way to convince others who already have their minds' made up. Hmmm. Oh well. Just another exercize in futility! No Biggie!
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Posted by: RBpoweredSileighty at 3:15 PM 7/6/2006
However, the GA DMV is notoriously retarded, and you benefitted from it. FL is another good state for that.
However, in AZ, they impound suspected illegal vehicles without warning.
In addition, there are the insurance concerns. Yes, you may have had a policy through Progressive.
However, I'm sure you never tried to make a claim against it. There's a little stipulation in your policy, which I'm sure you never read, that exempts Progressive from any responsibility if any part of your application is false or misleading. You can bet their lawyers would deny a claim all day long based on that alone.
On top of that, IF you were unfortunate enough to hit someone else, and they sued you, or you sued for medical, you're driving a car that is not in compliance with NHTSA crash-safety standards. Again, the attorneys would jump on that like a hobo on a ham sandwich. Don't have proper door beams? Don't have proper glass? Gee, what else isn't "up-to-snuff' on your hot rod, Mr. Zoborax? Could it have possibly contributed to the accident? Perhaps you're 100% liable? Hmmm?
NOTE: Please understand, I don't agree with any of this. I think the requirements are bogus and silly. However, I also think it's incumbent upon us as a source of reliable information, to present ALL aspects of owning a "grey-market" car in the U.S.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: bushbear at 5:12 AM 7/7/2006
http://www.rallyclassified.com...ng/90 for example has a nice one but i don't know them yet.
Any help is appreciated.
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Posted by: mikep1457 at 9:36 PM 7/20/2006
The reason I ask is, my uncle is with the Air National Guard and spent a month in Germany. He had some free time, so he wandered around some of the used car lots and found a few Skylines. He has to go back next March, and I was trying to see what the possiblity was for him to buy one for me and have it shipped back (through military channels).
Is this a legitimate possibility or just another dream?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:47 PM 8/7/2006
NISXAN - Not anymore. It's all laid out in the link in the very first post.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Darkkness at 2:11 PM 8/10/2006
Boy, I sound like a broken record...
A kit car is a car that was never mass-produced. Titling a "Skyline" as a kit car is in violation of Federal law.
Now, that's not to say some shady a-holes don't do it, but they're one phone call away from impound.
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Posted by: Buck96 at 1:00 AM 8/16/2006
This is a sad issue
I originally thought there had to be someone, or a group of someone’s who would have come up with a strong enough petition to over turn the govt's hasty pull of R32' and R43's but to date (to the best of my knowledge) there hasn't been.
As originally posted the best bet to get a skyline R32 or R34 is to buy one that is already legalized.
Any other avenues *may* run the risks of, heavy govt. fines, seizer-deportation-and crushing of your vehicle, lawsuits by issuance companies for fraud, risk of losing coverage on all legit vehicles, and ultimately the total loss of all money, time and effort for attempting to circumvent the govt.
I’ve spent hours trying to find a loop hole in all the gov’t paper work, from importing it as a farm vehicle all the way to display purposes only, but the only way *I found* to wake up in the morning and it still be in the drive way is to get it legit…
And to the lucky owners that owned R32 & 34 before this, they now can charge what ever they want… the hand full of NHTSA listed RI's who will even convert a skyline R33 under vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 are under a microscope, (especially after the actions of “ruin it for everyone”=motorex) which is a main reason why $4,000 USD R33’s in Japanese auction go for $34,000 USD in the sates.
But I’m still savin up for my R32 GTR-Vspec, & when the day comes it will be even sweeter.
…I just hope it’s not 2025 before that day comes
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Posted by: Buck96 at 1:13 AM 8/16/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
A kit car is a car that was never mass-produced. Titling a "Skyline" as a kit car is in violation of Federal law. |
I am a little confused on this point. What about, for instance, the Noble M400(a road legal vehicle), which is registered as a kit car(for the sole purpose, I assume, to not be forced to have NHTSA certification). The body is made in South Africa which is then shipped to the states where the drivetrain is installed (I assume EPA certed, but I don't know). Albeit, we are talking about yearly production runs of 200 vs. 6,000 a year(for the GTR), so I don't know if there is a cut off point for production numbers that the M400 doesn't reach but the Skyline does (on a quick search I couldn't find any cut off point from DOT, EPA only said that a kit car is "This policy does not apply to regular production vehicles offered for importation into or produced in the United States.")
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Posted by: AZhitman at 10:00 PM 8/18/2006
That qualifies it, and not the Skyline, under the edict of your last quote.
If nothing else, we're all getting a good education! 
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: cirwin at 7:55 PM 8/19/2006
that none of the cars have OBD2 makes them not EPA compliant. Basically NHTSA didn't want to deal with the whole Skyline mess anymore and made it an EPA matter. So the only way to make the cars legal is for someone to make an OBD2 conversion for the RB26Dett... Witch there is rumors that J.W. Technologies did on 2 R34's. I got alot more info if anyone wants it. I also have a copy of the transcrips from Hiro's first trial.Marc
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Posted by: AZhitman at 11:19 AM 9/5/2006
That R32 makes me happy in pants!
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Posted by: w1ngzer0 at 8:02 PM 9/14/2006
Claiming a mass-produced car is a custom car assembled from various parts may be a violation of a federal law, but at the same time, it may not be. The fact that they are still in business, have a posted address, and are reachable by phone throughout the day might mean a lot after the situation with Motorex.
Frankly, I had a list of numbers I was going to go through: Customs, the DOT, the EPA, etc. but is it even worth my time? If this isn't legal, then could someone please tell me why they are still operating?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 6:19 PM 9/19/2006
A couple phone calls and they'd be rolling up their tents.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Atomsk at 7:44 PM 9/20/2006
p.s. Welcome aboard - Miami w0000t!
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: greatgonzer at 6:04 PM 9/21/2006
Just in case your wondering why i did so much research i ordered a r33 gtr vspec last august from turbovisions (some of you may or may not have heard of him) he is a kid selling cars using evolution imports to get cars well since i lost the 30k in that deal i took the time to investigate all the legal and illegal ways to import/title a skyline in the us. since then many changes have happened in the skyline world for example motorex shut down,evolution imports has filed chapter 11, and the r33 is now able to be made road legal in the us.
so happy hunting to all you skyline lovers i will keep you posted with all the stuff happening with my purchase if you have any other question feel free to pm me
Post Title: Re: (95r33gtrskylineme)
Posted by: mc_rhett_meister at 10:49 PM 10/16/2006
Welcome aboard.
Please read the first page of this thread.
Potential problems: Finding the car you want, getting it across the border / past Customs, registering / titling / emission-testing it in AZ (AZ DMV personnel are NOT stupid), and insuring it.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: mc_rhett_meister at 11:26 PM 10/16/2006
Make sure you do ALL your reading on Skyline importation ahead of time.
This thread has resulted in TONS of emails from people - praising, ranting, arguing, flaming, thanking.... It's a "hot" topic, but if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, and I'll say it again:
If it could be done legally, and for a reasonable amount of money, I'd have already done it.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Real Street at 4:05 PM 10/18/2006
whose name will be skipped (Houstin, TX). I was misled before droppin coin. First, I was told I would recieve all applicable Fed. Imp./Exp certificates. I received The EXP Cert only. Allong with the BOL from the shipping co. and the US transport Co. BOL. No Imp. declaration. So I tried my luck with the lax DMV we have in MN. (kit car,hobby car, BS 240 conversion) No luck. The clerk stated that the Imp. declaration was the most important document. At that point it ceased to be a legitimately imported vehicle in my state. And to make it sweeter, the rescinded ruling is now common knowledge to folks I was dealing with. The importer can't/won't help me out, and the DMV is hip to my jive. I may have to wait for 2011 to make it happen. Until then I'll poach late night runs in the business park I'm near. What a glorious noise! Good luck to all of you in my position.They're not an RI, so they don't have the authority to "legalize" the car.
No amount of harassment will change that - He's better off suing for the value of the car.
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Posted by: Kendall at 11:31 AM 10/19/2006
Kendall
http://www.f4w.us
228 861 4849
Post Title: Re: (Real Street)
Posted by: Atomsk at 12:22 PM 10/19/2006
can't you drive the car on a race track in the mean time? at least get some use out of it.
2 As far as picks of my car, you can see some on the link in my signiture below and I will send you some via email...
Hey and you better hook us up with picks of your undrivable JDM ride as well.
Post Title: Re: (Kendall)
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:55 PM 10/19/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Kendall » |
| We now are able to import cars under a different, legal, process. Any naysayers feel free to call me. Kendall |
No need to call. The burden of proof is on the so-called "importer" to prove that what they're doing is legit and above-board.
I've got funds sitting for an R32. Prove yourself, and I'll believe it.
Wait - Let me guess: "We don't divulge our process or procedure."
I've heard THAT one before. 
I remain, as always, a naysayer.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: 95r33gtrskylineme at 10:20 PM 10/19/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| No need to call. The burden of proof is on the so-called "importer" to prove that what they're doing is legit and above-board. I've got funds sitting for an R32. Prove yourself, and I'll believe it. Wait - Let me guess: "We don't divulge our process or procedure." I've heard THAT one before. I remain, as always, a naysayer. |
I appreciate your caution. I will divulge our process. Give me a call. 228 861 4849.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Kendall at 10:26 AM 10/20/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| No need to call. The burden of proof is on the so-called "importer" to prove that what they're doing is legit and above-board. I've got funds sitting for an R32. Prove yourself, and I'll believe it. Wait - Let me guess: "We don't divulge our process or procedure." I've heard THAT one before. I remain, as always, a naysayer. |
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Post Title: Re: (Real Street)
Posted by: Real Street at 12:47 PM 10/20/2006
My first car:
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Real Street at 6:01 PM 10/20/2006
I spent a ton making it a faux GS.
Think I probably helped Year One and Poston Enterprise (and TA Performance) get their start.
Love the LeMans - Hope it goes to a good home.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 5:56 PM 10/28/2006
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
| oh really you do...let me check my invoices and see if your correct |
Hey Celm. How is business. I heard that evo-imports filed chapter 11? And I was thinking about buying a skyline through you guys. I guess its fast for wheels now...Bummer.
Post Title: Re: (greatgonzer)
Posted by: celm at 12:46 AM 10/29/2006
| Quote, originally posted by greatgonzer » |
Hey Celm. How is business. I heard that evo-imports filed chapter 11? And I was thinking about buying a skyline through you guys. I guess its fast for wheels now...Bummer. |
| Quote, originally posted by confusedkid » |
| hey all im new here I was thinking about buying a 350z or a 240sx or a g35.. but anyway on to my question: do the experienced or people with knowledge look down on those who slap skyline badges on the g35.. cause i wanted to do that.. and in what way would it be okay to put those badges on the v35 errr.. g35 haha |
Considering the G35 and the V35 Skyline are the same car, I wouldn't care either way. One is right hand drive, the other left hand drive.
Besides all that, it's your car, if that's what you want to do, even though you might catch flack from it from people, do it and be happy with your ride.
I am not sure on this, but I hear some Infiniti dealers even sell the badges and can put them on for you if you so desire.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: themadscientist at 11:25 PM 11/17/2006
Be you boi!
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: greatgonzer at 11:36 PM 11/17/2006
| Quote, originally posted by greatgonzer » |
| For all intent and purpose, the G35 IS a Skyline... In Japan that is what it is called. There just is no GT-R version. The G35 Skyline comes in all wheel drive, just no GT-R...So badging it a Skyline would be no different from adding "Fairlady Z" emblems to the back of a Z32 300zx. It is just calling it something that the homeland calls it even though here in the US it is known as something else. It is just a way to differentiate yourself from every other G35 here in the US... |
Can you provide proof that the V35 350GT Skyline comes with AWD here in Japan, because to the best of my knowledge, there is no all wheel drive version of the Skyline currently being built/sold.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: themadscientist at 2:43 PM 11/19/2006
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
|
motorex, fast4wheels, evo.imports, and turbovisions(which ive never heard of) are frauds...
and rb just wont put up with the hassle or importing skylines anymore?....
my question is, how do you import a 95(also to my understanding this year is no longer importable period???) through 98 r33? but heres the catch... w/out forking over my entire savings, and not worrying if the dmv/dot/fmvss guys are just that stupid to just sign away on any piece of paper i hand them (e.i. a TOTALLY LEGAL CAR), not having the car possibly turn out to be nothing more than scraps that were thrown together as a "kit" car, and not dealing with any other afore mentioned frauds that i may have forgotten to list...
Post Title: Re: (ncr33gtr)
Posted by: DuaneG at 5:08 AM 11/21/2006
Mortorex legalized about 150 of them I think. (I might be wrong, by alot or a little)
Buy one of those or prepare to shell out over 50grand + shipping + the car + whatever else one or more of the 200 people that are involved in it want to charge you.
Post Title: Re: (DJPhrost)
Posted by: ncr33gtr at 2:22 PM 11/21/2006
i know it sounds like im contradicting myself with that remark, but the fact is motorex might have gave the impression of being legal, essentially what they did was illegal, no matter your stand point.
| Quote, originally posted by DJPhrost » |
| ...prepare to shell out over 50grand + shipping + the car + whatever else one or more of the 200 people that are involved in it want to charge you. |
as long as im not paying 70k+ for an r33 gtr im not worried about that part, im just wondering how effing legal the person(s) are, and who can do it without pitching a b***h fit
Post Title: Re: (ncr33gtr)
Posted by: AZhitman at 2:31 PM 11/21/2006
| Quote, originally posted by ncr33gtr » |
my question is, how do you import a 95(also to my understanding this year is no longer importable period???) through 98 r33? but heres the catch... w/out forking over my entire savings, and not worrying if the dmv/dot/fmvss guys are just that stupid to just sign away on any piece of paper i hand them (e.i. a TOTALLY LEGAL CAR), not having the car possibly turn out to be nothing more than scraps that were thrown together as a "kit" car, and not dealing with any other afore mentioned frauds that i may have forgotten to list... |
The quick answer?
You can't.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ncr33gtr at 5:18 PM 11/21/2006
Post Title: Re: (ncr33gtr)
Posted by: celm at 5:25 PM 11/21/2006
Attorneys, hand-wringers, ambulance-chasers and environmentalists are to blame.
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: ncr33gtr at 6:44 PM 11/21/2006
FYI their still part of the problem.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ncr33gtr at 6:47 PM 11/21/2006
rather have 1 and be only able drive it occasionally(which would more than likly be the case anyways) then not have one at all.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Count Zero at 10:01 PM 11/23/2006
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
| Can you provide proof that the V35 350GT Skyline comes with AWD here in Japan, because to the best of my knowledge, there is no all wheel drive version of the Skyline currently being built/sold. |
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
Dunno about over there, but the G35x has been out for a couple years now...it has AWD. |
Well, slap my face and call me Susan. I was not aware of that.
I know a fare share about the car, but not as much as I would like. Plus, there are people out there that know things I don't, and vice versa.[
Thanks Count.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Count Zero at 11:12 AM 11/24/2006
They're playing a TV commercial a lot lately that's all about the "brand new electronic AWD" in the "New G"
I always giggle at that one and go "Gee, it sounds like an updated version of the ATTESA-ETS....didn't know that 17+ years was new."
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: themadscientist at 3:42 PM 11/24/2006
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
Well, slap my face and call me Susan. |
Susan. | Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| If they are an RI, approved to import and legalize Skylines, and are in compliance with all NHTSA guidelines, then you're set. |
There are states that will register them, like Florida....
Post Title: Re: (grosspolluter)
Posted by: Count Zero at 9:24 PM 11/27/2006
| Quote, originally posted by grosspolluter » |
| There are states that will register them, like Florida.... |
I mean, it's registered, so would it just be a legal-to-have car with tons of equipment/safety violations? Or could the car still be impounded (and the owner charged with fraudulant registration)?
Don't all states now require proof of insurance to register a car? And as I've found out, every insurance company I've talked to required me to officially declare the car converted to NHTSA regs to be able to cover it as a drivable car.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:29 PM 11/27/2006
Some states don't have mandatory insurance, but like I said 4 pages back: Get in an accident with one and see how fast the attorneys throw you under the bus.
Cars that appear "legal" (to a state) can be impounded by the Feds. Likely, no. Possible, yes.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Count Zero at 9:44 PM 11/27/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Correct. Some states don't have mandatory insurance, but like I said 4 pages back: Get in an accident with one and see how fast the attorneys throw you under the bus. Cars that appear "legal" (to a state) can be impounded by the Feds. Likely, no. Possible, yes. |
It'd be falsifying government documents, if you're state requires inspections or has something about having insurance constituting that the car is NHTSA-approved, so I'd assume that it'd be illegal.
But then, that's why I decided to pass on a cheaper R32 in lieu of chancing across an actual Motorex-modified ones (which I was lucky enough to find).
Something about the phrase "State registered" makes me leary when I don't see any supporting proof/documentation of the NHTSA/DOT approval....or even the phrase "50-state legal" along with it.
Post Title: Re: (grosspolluter)
Posted by: skygame at 8:25 AM 11/28/2006
| Quote, originally posted by grosspolluter » |
| There are states that will register them, like Florida.... |
Really? Anybody in Cali registering Nissan Skyline GTR's? Really interested!
Post Title: Re: (skygame)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 5:10 PM 11/28/2006
| Quote, originally posted by skygame » |
Really? Anybody in Cali registering Nissan Skyline GTR's? Really interested! |
Please don't post the same exact thing in two different threads. We all read each thread that has a new post in it. No need to double up on here.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (sean8564)
Posted by: skygame at 8:38 AM 11/30/2006
| Quote, originally posted by sean8564 » |
| Dude do not worry about it I am just a fountian of JDM knowlage since i buy and sell cars there. |
Wow..... that is great, any loopholes on registering a BNCR34 GTR?
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (skygame)
Posted by: celm at 8:40 AM 11/30/2006
| Quote, originally posted by skygame » |
Wow..... that is great, any loopholes on registering a BNCR34 GTR? |
ive titled 4 GTR34 so far
and its BNR34 not BNCR34
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (celm)
Posted by: skygame at 9:52 AM 11/30/2006
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
| ive titled 4 GTR34 so far,and its BNR34 not BNCR34 |
Florida, we need California titles, any info would be greatly appreciated, cars are here in CA, we are ready to go, cash in hand.....
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (skygame)
Posted by: celm at 11:08 AM 11/30/2006
| Quote, originally posted by skygame » |
| Florida, we need California titles, any info would be greatly appreciated, cars are here in CA, we are ready to go, cash in hand..... |
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
| skygame u have email |
Same here, bump for more info.... need to title R34's in Cali......
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (grosspolluter)
Posted by: celm at 1:59 PM 11/30/2006
| Quote, originally posted by grosspolluter » |
Same here, bump for more info.... need to title R34's in Cali...... |
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/...63420
6. Motor Vehicle Titling and Registration
NHTSA is not responsible for regulating the operation of motor vehicles on public roads in the U.S. or for titling or registering motor vehicles for such operation. That is instead the responsibility of the individual States. Some States may require a manufacturer's certificate of origin (MCO) or manufacturer's statement of origin (MSO) to register a new motor vehicle. These are not federally required documents. NHTSA, therefore, is not in a position to offer guidance to prospective vehicle manufacturers or vehicle purchasers on obtaining a needed MCO or MSO. Consumers with questions regarding these documents should direct those questions to their State’s Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Prospective manufacturers seeking guidance on obtaining MCO or MSO documents should contact the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) at 703-522-4201 or visit that organization's website at http://www.aamva.org.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (celm)
Posted by: skygame at 1:21 PM 12/4/2006
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
| skygame u have email |
skygamenico@yahoo.com
Modified by skygame at 1:22 PM 12/7/2006
Post Title: Re: (89 GTR R32)
Posted by: AZhitman at 1:29 PM 12/4/2006
| Quote, originally posted by 89 GTR R32 » |
| I am sorry if this has been posted before but I am to lazy to go through and read all of the forums on this site. So let me se if I am correct on this. If you own a skyline that is for track or show only and get it titled, is the car legal then. I know a guy that titles Skylines and he does all the paper work on them and takes it to a DMV and goes through some kind of inspection, but basically if the car is in good running shape and has no exhaust problems and nothing wrong with the SRS the car passes and you get a title. He says it takes one hour or more to do this. So what I am trying to say after all of that, is the car legal and can I drive it with out getting in trouble with the law? |
Sorry, we don't do "lazy".
Everything you want to know was answered on page 1.
Thanks!
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Count Zero at 3:56 PM 12/4/2006
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Sorry, we don't do "lazy". |
If you don't take the time to do the research on this car, and find out what it's going to take and how much money you are going to spend, you are going to be in a world of dissapointment.
Most people want thier answers given to them, handed to them on a silver plate, if you will. I'm sorry, but if you are going to buy a GT-R, you should spend time learning about the car and what it's going to take to even get to the shipping yards if you are going to import it.
Things like de-registering a car, paying the taxes that are involved, makeing sure the Sha-ken was done right, and who knows what else. I have been over here for years and have tried learning as much as I can, and I am always finding out more and more things I didn't know. It blows me away how much bad info is out there on the GT-R.
Most people that want these cars are people like, "Man, I was playing GT4 and I saw this car called the Skyline, and I have to get me one."
There are people out there that have found it through other means, and hopefully, those are people that have done the time to research.
All in all, what I am trying to say, study up, make sure you have all the information you are gonna need, and have some serious coin ready to roll when it's needed.
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Posted by: Count Zero at 6:28 PM 12/4/2006
I've dreamed of getting a GT-R for about 5 years now, and been seriously in the market searching out options for the last 6 months.
It's truly a PITA, even with Canada getting them all nice and legal now (well, the 89-91's anyway)
I spent many hours thinking of ideas and then researching how viable they were. I also learned what pitfalls to look out for along the way. I feel much better having sorted the stuff of for myself. I ACTUALLY LEARNED SOMETHING.
(For example: I work for a company that's actually in Toronto. I even looked into having THEM buy one up there and assign it to me as a company car...no good, and I thought that'd be my best route)
Point is....DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
Expecting to have everyone spoon-feed you the simplest of answers just makes you look like a fool that doesn't deserve a Skyline in the first place.
Having spent the time and brain-power finding out things makes me appreciate being able to finally get one all the more.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 6:38 PM 12/4/2006
It's frustrating, as we're committed to:
1) Helping out n00bs
2) Providing accurate information
With that said, anyone who's "in the market" would be wise to simply re-read this thread.
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Posted by: Count Zero at 6:43 PM 12/4/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
| Plus, it makes it hard on us that *ARE* seriously in the market, cuz most people won't take us seriously. |
Very true.....
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: DuaneG at 1:42 PM 12/7/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
Don't all states now require proof of insurance to register a car? And as I've found out, every insurance company I've talked to required me to officially declare the car converted to NHTSA regs to be able to cover it as a drivable car. |
From what I was told by the previous owner of a Toyota Soarer and a friend with a STATE LEGAL Skyline, Progessive will insure anything as long as it has a VIN, whether it be 10 letters long (Japanese) or 36.
Post Title: Re: (DuaneG)
Posted by: Count Zero at 4:25 PM 12/7/2006
| Quote, originally posted by DuaneG » |
| From what I was told by the previous owner of a Toyota Soarer and a friend with a STATE LEGAL Skyline, Progessive will insure anything as long as it has a VIN, whether it be 10 letters long (Japanese) or 36. |
While getting the quotes from various companies, every one of them (including Progressive) officially asked me the question of "Has the vehicle been modified to NHTSA standards and been officially approved by the DOT?"
Thus, by saying "yes", if you ever have an accident and they find out that you willfully gave a false statement about that DOT approval, you could be cited for insurance fraud.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: preston240sx at 10:58 PM 12/12/2006
all of you are right ... The people that truly want a skyline and have $$$$$ out the *** will get one regardless of legality or cost.| Quote, originally posted by R-33KING » |
| It may be much easier to import a skyline from U.K than from Japan./ there are plenty of people in Europe that are sending them here and you can have the car in 5-6 weeks verse 16-18 weeks. |
It only takes 21 days port-to-port from Japan to the US. Where are you getting 16-18 weeks?
Post Title: Re: (Okinawa_BNR34)
Posted by: R-33KING at 11:33 AM 12/13/2006
| Quote, originally posted by Okinawa_BNR34 » |
It only takes 21 days port-to-port from Japan to the US. Where are you getting 16-18 weeks? |
21 days..... at the latest.....
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Posted by: DETurbine at 10:33 AM 12/17/2006
How much would one be looking at price wise by doing something like that?
$1500 shipping+7% importation fee for $15000 car ($1120)?
Post Title: Re: (DETurbine)
Posted by: skygame at 12:54 AM 12/18/2006
| Quote, originally posted by tyndago » |
| http://tyndago.googlepages.com...japan |
Sean, shoot me an email when you get a chance... Got a question for ya.
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Posted by: Florida240sx at 6:16 PM 1/8/2007
Heres my idea, I know its illegal but would it prove "pull-over safe"... I want an R32 (personal preference) so lets say I buy one in canada. I assume I can just buy it and not register it if its paid for right? Then tow it home, put my S13's license plate on it, VIN tag on dash and whereve else, keep current s13 paperwork in the r32, debadge it and claim it a conversion??
The biggest confusion for me, being I havent bought a car myself yet or dealt with the process hardly is the money situation. Like to get a loan do you have to have it insured and what not, or can you just be likeI need $10k, bring a truck into canada, pay, drive home and make a monthly payment either on the car or just on some unknown item?
Also thinking of it, how does Takama have R32's and stuff for sale on their site? And what is with the abundance of skylines r32-r34 on ebay motors, are half of them impound ready and if so how did they get it to where they can make payments on it?
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: iamadirtdude at 5:43 PM 1/15/2007
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (mp3moose)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 6:27 AM 1/26/2007
If these are newb questions please direct me to the right place. Thanks guys/girls.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (mp3moose)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 1:53 PM 1/26/2007
California is another story though. You cannot get a state legal Skyline in Cali without going through some wierd channels, that of which, I have no clue on.
Just remember two things. Always ask for documentation, and if it's too good to be true, than it probably is.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US....
Posted by: turtle600rr at 11:13 AM 2/13/2007
most other states you can just register it without bringing it in for inspection so they wouldnt know that your car does not conform with state laws.
if your in california i would advise you to not even attempt to try to register it yourself, i spent lots of money. taking it to CHP can possibly get you a red flag on the spot, and they can actually impound your car on the spot. same goes with dmv, they will just keep sending you to CHP.
Post Title: buyin in the us....
Posted by: TuRbOcRaZeD at 7:54 PM 2/17/2007
You aren't getting a Skyline legal for street driving in the US unless it was already here and includes all proper paperwork.
If you REALLY want a Skyline that bad, join the military or get a job with the DoD and work on a military base overseas as a Civilian While getting a Skyline wasn't the reason I joined the Air Force, living overseas was. I picked a job that will keep me overseas and keep me off the front lines at the same time.
So now as long as I stay overseas I can own ANY car that I want. I bought a 1995 Escort Cosworth, but decided to sell it because I'm on way to Japan, where I'll get my Skyline ($6k for a 32 GT-R, $12k for a 33 GT-R, and $35k for a 34 GT-R). Now if I end up in Germany or Belgium or Australia or anywhere else besides the US next, I can keep it.
I'm not promoting the military or anything, but it seems some of you guys are absolutely GT-R crazy, and this is one sure way to get one.
Post Title: Re: (superbike81)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 2:06 AM 2/20/2007
| Quote, originally posted by superbike81 » |
| I know this isn't the answer most people wanna hear, but it seems like people just keep coming on here asking the same thing over and over again! Even in the same thread! You aren't getting a Skyline legal for street driving in the US unless it was already here and includes all proper paperwork. If you REALLY want a Skyline that bad, join the military or get a job with the DoD and work on a military base overseas as a Civilian So now as long as I stay overseas I can own ANY car that I want. I bought a 1995 Escort Cosworth, but decided to sell it because I'm on way to Japan, where I'll get my Skyline ($6k for a 32 GT-R, $12k for a 33 GT-R, and $35k for a 34 GT-R). Now if I end up in Germany or Belgium or Australia or anywhere else besides the US next, I can keep it. I'm not promoting the military or anything, but it seems some of you guys are absolutely GT-R crazy, and this is one sure way to get one. |
i can prove my paper work
Post Title: Re: (turtle600rr)
Posted by: Deadmeat187 at 2:53 AM 2/21/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Deadmeat187 » |
| Hey guys new to the site and was just reading this post and i got a lil info that could help i live in reno nv and outside of reno there are 2 areas that have no epa restrictions vehicles need no smog basically there is an old man that has a 34 in yerington nv and a 27 year rich kid that has 2 different 33s that comes to the casino im a vip host at and valets them 3 times a week ill talk to him he had his automatic in the autotrader for awhile for sale and i know it drives more than 2500 miles a year but ill look into it and let ya know more or how they slipped through the cracks cause both these owners have had these cars for a long time. |
Document NHTSA-2005-22654-37
This document announces a final decision by NHTSA to partially rescind a prior decision by the agency that 1990-1999 Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) are eligible for importation into the United States. As a result of this decision, only Nissan R33 model GTS and GTR passenger cars manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998 are eligible for importation. All other model and model year vehicles admissible under the prior decision are no longer eligible for importation. As a consequence, the agency is rescinding vehicle eligibility number VCP-17, which covered vehicles admissible under the prior decision, and issuing vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to cover only those model and model year Nissan GTS nd GTR passenger cars that remain eligible for importation. The rescission will only bar the future importation of the model and model year Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars that are no longer eligible for importation, and will not affect the status of vehicles that have already been lawfully imported under vehicle eligibility number VCP-17. DATES: The decision is effective on March 1, 2006.
Post Title: Re: Re: (dopey21)
Posted by: myst303 at 12:20 AM 3/16/2007
| Quote, originally posted by dopey21 » |
| since i live in san diego maybe i can get a R34 imported to mexico register it in tijuana, renew my mexican dl that they made me get and drive it in the states if cops pull me over its registerd in mexico and i have a mexican license...i wounder if that will work......now i have to see if they will even let em register the car in tijuana...lets go baja cali plates lol |
Doesn't anyone READ the posts???
I'm sure your tired by now Hitman...
Post Title: Re: (Buck96)
Posted by: myst303 at 12:04 PM 3/16/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Buck96 » |
| Gezz it's like a year later and we're still wrapping about the same thing? Doesn't anyone READ the posts??? |
If you don't have anything intelligent to add, flame on. It keeps the forums interesting......
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Posted by: Buck96 at 5:41 PM 3/18/2007
Yongsters these days...1st I've been posting in this thread since last year a Hella of a lot longer than you.
You'd know that if you took the time to read the thread
2nd WTH are you talking about??? Hitman & I have been saying the same thing in this thread since last year. There is NO WAY to legally import a Skyline R32 or R34 into the country since the repel of VCP-17. NO LEGAL WAY
Your talking about crazy Mexicans, general stereotypes and a whole bunch of other stuff that will get you thrown in jail and your car deported or crushed. If you want to play russian roulette with your car, your car insurance and possibly face felony jail time over fraud be my guest.
Lastly
If you feel a reply post to a Moderator is a direct rip on you then maybe it applies to you...
don't go around quoting people when their not talking to you, you tend to look like when it's all said and done...
Post Title: Re: Re: (myst303)
Posted by: AZhitman at 7:49 AM 3/19/2007
| Quote, originally posted by myst303 » |
| I was thinking the same thing. TJ license, Tj plates. There's a grip of cars that come over the border everyday that have never circulated or haven't been sold in the states for years. Monza's, Ka's, Renault's, Peugot's to name a few. Is it possible to register a r33 in baja. I've been looking into it and I think it easier and cheaper to make Nacional, than to make at Fronteriza (TJ terms). I know there are some heads in TJ driving imported jdm civics illegaly because there having some issues trying to get them registered in mex. Does anyone has any info regarding the mexican connection? |
Apparently you know all there is to know about Mexico and "how things work", so why are you asking us?
Hell, I wouldn't take a $300 car across the US / Mexico border, much less a $20K car. That's just stupid.
What are you gonna do when you get pulled over and your car seized? Flash a $10 bill?
Cripes, people. Build a car that's unique and amazing in its own way and quit nutswinging.
Post Title: Re: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 3:07 PM 3/19/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Apparently you know all there is to know about Mexico and "how things work", so why are you asking us? Hell, I wouldn't take a $300 car across the US / Mexico border, much less a $20K car. That's just stupid. What are you gonna do when you get pulled over and your car seized? Flash a $10 bill? Cripes, people. Build a car that's unique and amazing in its own way and quit nutswinging. |
yes your right. but then again... if you go to the right people and with $$$, you can have your car done. ive been pulled over many times before in a R34 and my R33, they ran my paperwork and it shows its valid and let me go. but of course there are "those" cops that will look for something ridiculous to give you a ticket or impound your car. i suggest that if your one of the lucky few to have a registered aftermarket vehicle, just be careful and dont do anything stupid to abuse it.
and just for buck96 and azhitman, just so you guys dont think im BSing, email me and ill show you the paper work and registration. and if you need help with anything ill gladely provide my service.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 11:52 PM 3/20/2007
I'm always in the market for an R32 (or anything older).
Got a couple buddies down in FL that do the "Costa Rican dismantling" routine, but I'm not into that.
And, of course there's a local who gets several cars a month and registers them in AZ, but they're a fender-bender (or phone call) away from being impounded.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 5:12 PM 3/21/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Turtle, you irritate me *just* enough to pique my curiosity. I'm always in the market for an R32 (or anything older). Got a couple buddies down in FL that do the "Costa Rican dismantling" routine, but I'm not into that. And, of course there's a local who gets several cars a month and registers them in AZ, but they're a fender-bender (or phone call) away from being impounded. |
alright azman sorry to irretate and ill stop promoting my skylines =) im kind of new to this forum. but yea just to let you know i also look down upon those dismantled cars. theres a couple of R.I.s that actually do it the right way with getting customs approval, that states that the car can be conformed to US standards, im sure you'v seen this document (if not i can email you a copy)... its not too hard, i can give you the number and address to the office that you contact. im sure you heard of all the methods that were used to register the cars and most of them fail in time. if you want to know how i do it email me. dont really want to reveal my secret to the world in here. 
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Posted by: AZhitman at 12:07 PM 3/22/2007
We'll talk about it... Keep a eye peeled for an R32 in the meantime.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ventrex at 7:03 AM 3/23/2007
If it's a FL car, it's probably one of those "Costa Rican disassembly" cars.
Ventrex, you had a bad experience buying a damn front clip - Don't tell me you're thinking of buying a whole car!
(Especially one you have no idea how to maintain.)
Post Title: Re: (ventrex)
Posted by: celm at 12:35 PM 3/23/2007
Hope you do your research better on this transaction.
Nothing like getting in a fender-bender and having your car impounded, getting declined coverage (or getting sued).
Post Title: Re: (DanCouga)
Posted by: tmiller42085 at 1:00 PM 3/25/2007
somebody that did it with a rx7
Post Title: Re: (USsil80)
Posted by: Count Zero at 2:59 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by USsil80 » |
| http://www.zeroyon.com/forums/...=8819 somebody that did it with a rx7 |
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
Lot easier to bring over a car that's got an existing chassis here....the FD chassis has already been crash-tested. |
incorrect!!! it doesnt make it easyer if the car your importing has a US counter part.
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 6:12 PM 3/25/2007
Since no one seems to have the correct answers, or wishes to share with the Admin staff to prove they can do it, let's not talk about it anymore.
So many people out there claim that they can get them state legal. That DOES NOT make them federally legal, and it still poses the possiblilty that it could get impounded, crushed, etc.
Turtle, Celm.
If you guys have some insider info on how to do it and get it done right, by all means, contact Greg and I, and let us in on what's up. We won't leak your info to anyone else that you haven't already given it too. We just want to make sure you guys aren't trying to scam people out of several thousand dollars, or worse yet, sell someone a car they can't drive on the street. If we like what we see, maybe we can set something up just for our NICO brethren.
I just don't want people getting bad info, or no info at all on what they are getting into.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: celm at 6:19 PM 3/25/2007
Motor Vehicle Titling and Registration(this is from the DOT web site)
NHTSA is not responsible for regulating the operation of motor vehicles on public roads in the U.S. or for titling or registering motor vehicles for such operation. That is instead the responsibility of the individual States. Some States may require a manufacturer's certificate of origin (MCO) or manufacturer's statement of origin (MSO) to register a new motor vehicle. These are not federally required documents. NHTSA, therefore, is not in a position to offer guidance to prospective vehicle manufacturers or vehicle purchasers on obtaining a needed MCO or MSO. Consumers with questions regarding these documents should direct those questions to their State’s Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).
the second part is that i do have to get the car inspected by a DMV official who only deals with cars from overseas
Modified by celm at 10:04 PM 3/25/2007
Modified by celm at 10:10 PM 3/25/2007
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: USsil80 at 6:28 PM 3/25/2007
you never imported a car,so what grounds do you have.and i dont want to hear the " i read it on the internet "
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Posted by: USsil80 at 7:21 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by USsil80 » |
| so you are imprting and selling the r33 year 1996-1998..dates could be wrong but limited to the short span.. according to the nhtsa that is the only vechical able to be imprted into the usa..the docket number is posted all over this thread if you want to read the internet |
not to be rude but you are clueless and i do have a 95 GTR33 for sale.titled and state side
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Posted by: USsil80 at 8:05 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by USsil80 » |
| - but what from what you said and the way i understand your cars will only be legal in the state you regester them... am i understanding you right |
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
incorrect!!! it doesnt make it easyer if the car your importing has a US counter part. |
It MOST CERTAINLY does.
I'll not be doing your research for you, but it's all in the links I provided...
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: AZhitman at 8:48 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
not to be rude but you are clueless and i do have a 95 GTR33 for sale.titled and state side |
...and it's STILL not Federalized.
He's not clueless, he was right on the money.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 8:56 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
It MOST CERTAINLY does. I'll not be doing your research for you, but it's all in the links I provided... |
oh really,you bring a JDM car that has a US counter part and see what happens when when it hits port.
and what cars have you brought over??
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:03 PM 3/25/2007
Watch your tone with me, Son - I'm not one of your JDM nutswinging friends.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:10 PM 3/25/2007
1988 Z31 is a perfect example - It'll roll right through (VSA‑81 Eligibility).
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 9:14 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| "Our experience has shown that the safety performance of right-hand drive vehicles is not necessarily the same as that of apparently similar left-hand drive vehicles offered for sale in this country. However, we will consider the vehicles "substantially similar" if the manufacturer advises us that the right-hand drive vehicle would perform the same as the U.S.-certified left-hand drive vehicle in dynamic crash tests. " 1988 Z31 is a perfect example - It'll roll right through (VSA‑81 Eligibility).
|
Eliminates the need for crash-testing and such.
And "seeing" a car that's been imported means nothing to me. Seeing Federalization docs would impress me.
p.s. It's Birkmire. Doctor Birkmire, to you.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 9:22 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Doctor Birkmire, to you. |
i always call him Rex when i see him
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:22 PM 3/25/2007
I'm not interested in the offshore disassembly cars that are coming in through Orlando, I've seen them often. Good friend of mine in Orlando used to do some reassembly of them. They're illegal, no matter how you slice it.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 9:26 PM 3/25/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Yes. JDM, RHD, 1981 Z31. Look it up. Reading's good for you. I'm not interested in the offshore disassembly cars that are coming in through Orlando, I've seen them often. Good friend of mine in Orlando used to do some reassembly of them. They're illegal, no matter how you slice it. |
you wrote 1988 up top there buddy,and i dont take my cars apart
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:29 PM 3/25/2007
Frank, I don't care WHAT you do with them, they're not Federally legal. THat's ALL I'm saying.
There's a hundred other guys telling people the SAME thing you are - it's nothing new, it's nothing unique - Hell, there's a guy here in AZ doing the same gig.
They are NOT cars that one can drive around without being nervous. Period.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: son of krypton at 6:17 PM 4/3/2007
| Quote, originally posted by son of krypton » |
| Would anyone who has a legal Skyline be able to show pictures of the legal documents? You can blackout any essential personal information. I don't know if asking this is out of line or not. I would just like to see what these documents look like as I have never seen them before. Also, a person trying to buy a legal Skyline would be able to have some idea of what the documents looked like, being able to decern from fakes. If it's not possible, would someone direct me as to where I can find sample documents? Thanks in advance. |
Here, check this thread.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/234745
He has pictures of all his documents that would be included with a legal Skyline. He is selling it, so you might want to contact him.
Laters,
-Neal
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: son of krypton at 8:57 PM 4/3/2007
Would these two documents be the only documents all one would need? (Sorry about the newbie question.) These two documents are all the seller has, having posted replies by administrators of the forum supporting and seemingly confirming it's authenticity (turned into a sticky).
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 7:20 PM 4/4/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Sorry, typo. Meant 88. Frank, I don't care WHAT you do with them, they're not Federally legal. THat's ALL I'm saying. There's a hundred other guys telling people the SAME thing you are - it's nothing new, it's nothing unique - Hell, there's a guy here in AZ doing the same gig. They are NOT cars that one can drive around without being nervous. Period. |
hey azhitman, i got a R32 GTS-T already here in the states but its probably gonna sell fast... its gun metal and its clean. hit me up and ill give you the price california registered
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Posted by: Count Zero at 9:12 PM 4/4/2007
99% of the time "State Titled" and "State Registered" translates to "Illegally imported and titled as kit car, despite the fact that the NHTSA flat out lists the Skyline as *not* a kit car."
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: celm at 9:17 PM 4/4/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
| *shrug* Suit yourself......call the NHTSA and ask them. |
I'm implying that your wrong,99% of these cars are titled for what they are.No "assembled from parts" or "rebuild" for forum educated people there terminology is "KIT CAR". i would take one of my state titled cars over a MX car any day.at least i didn't have to fraud the govt saying my car was modded to comply but it wasn't.i take my cars to the state DOT office and the inspector who only deals with cars from overseas does his inspection and if it passes,its titled. And yes they know what these cars are!!
oh and my favorit little phrase from the NHTSA
NHTSA is not responsible for regulating the operation of motor vehicles on public roads in the U.S. or for titling or registering motor vehicles for such operation. That is instead the responsibility of the individual States. Some States may require a manufacturer's certificate of origin (MCO) or manufacturer's statement of origin (MSO) to register a new motor vehicle.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 11:09 PM 4/4/2007
Get in an accident with one and see what happens. Make an insurance claim and see what happens. Hit someone with a good attorney and see what happens.
Florida is one of the MOST lenient states for titling imported cars, their inspectors SUCK and everyone knows it... Trust me, if and when I pick up an R32, it'll come from Florida.
That last phrase just means it's up to the States to title and register vehicles. It doesn't state that the Feds give up their right to impound a non-Federalized vehicle.
I LOL at everyone acting like this is some big "secret". Finding a moron at the DMV doesn't make you a Registered Importer. Just means you pulled one over on "The Man".
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: celm at 5:51 AM 4/5/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| They're state-legal, Frank. They're NOT Federalized. Period. Get in an accident with one and see what happens. Make an insurance claim and see what happens. Hit someone with a good attorney and see what happens. Florida is one of the MOST lenient states for titling imported cars, their inspectors SUCK and everyone knows it... Trust me, if and when I pick up an R32, it'll come from Florida. That last phrase just means it's up to the States to title and register vehicles. It doesn't state that the Feds give up their right to impound a non-Federalized vehicle. I LOL at everyone acting like this is some big "secret". Finding a moron at the DMV doesn't make you a Registered Importer. Just means you pulled one over on "The Man". |
again your chaging the subject... i wasnt talking about federal B.S. i was talking about someone assuming just because a car was titled by a state then it was titled as forums lingo Kit Car.and what you talking about man,you state is a million times easyer then mine!!!.the guy i know in your state doent even need the car there. The FDOT wont even look at my car unless my paperwork is in order and approved.and again i see you dont like to read before posting.These guys know what these cars are...there only job with teh state has to deal with inspecting and approving non-us cars!!
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 6:52 AM 4/5/2007
Does it even bother you one bit that you are selling cars to people that aren't even legal? I don't care what you say, "Oh, it's state legal and here is what the NHTSA says..." blah, blah, blah.
You are getting money from someone who is trusting you to get a car that they want. If they are like, "I don't care if it's not 'Legal', just get me one", dosen't it get on your conscience just a little bit?
I couldn't do that to someone, you know, take thousands of dollars and say, "here ya go, pal, best of luck", which, in a sense, is what you are doing.
I guess if you are ok with it, who am I to argue with you.
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: AZhitman at 8:23 AM 4/5/2007
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
again your chaging the subject... i wasnt talking about federal B.S. i was talking about someone assuming just because a car was titled by a state then it was titled as forums lingo Kit Car.and what you talking about man,you state is a million times easyer then mine!!!.the guy i know in your state doent even need the car there. The FDOT wont even look at my car unless my paperwork is in order and approved.and again i see you dont like to read before posting.These guys know what these cars are...there only job with teh state has to deal with inspecting and approving non-us cars!! |
No, I'm keeping the discussion RELEVANT.
My reading skills are just fine, and I communicate VERY clearly in writing.
I'm a little more educated on this topic than you're aware of, and I'm taking responsibility for making sure none of our "less educated" members get screwed.
My state is NOT "a million times easier" to register a non-Federalized imported vehicle - You have NO idea what you're talking about, Frank.
p.s. So far, every guy in AZ doing this stuff has been laughed out of town, and the current one is well on his way to being shut down.
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Posted by: Count Zero at 8:13 PM 4/5/2007
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html
Skylines, sadly, do NOT meet that criteria.
And here's the complete list of eligible non-conforming vehicles ("By or through a Registered Importer")
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/...b.htm
Scroll down to NISSAN and it lists ONLY the 96-99 R33 models.
And since you hate the term "kit car" (But I bet you have no problem calling that thing that holds the bullets in a gun a "clip", despite it being just as "wrong"), how about your FL definition of "Custom built"
Because, unless you have a fully certified NHTSA-approved converted R33, how else do you title and register a Skyline, but their annoyingly ambiguous "custom body kit on a vehicle" registration?
Post Title: Re: (celm)
Posted by: AZhitman at 8:46 PM 4/5/2007
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
| i dont take my cars apart |
Really? Interesting. Not what I hear from those who know you in Orlando...
Even if they're NOT disassembled, then they're coming through Customs on FALSE pretenses (track / show use only). So, they're here illegally.
"Custom Built"means the rules are being circumvented as well. To qualify, the car may NEVER have been mass-produced for purchase. That eliminates the Skyline from eligibility.
Again, for the 99th time:
I can afford a nice Skyline. I can write it off as a "business expense". I have law enforcement connections, and DMV connections. I can afford to put a stated-value policy on it.
I don't like the idea of having to look over my shoulder all the time....
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Posted by: USsil80 at 9:06 PM 4/5/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
And since you hate the term "kit car" (But I bet you have no problem calling that thing that holds the bullets in a gun a "clip", despite it being just as "wrong"), how about your FL definition of "Custom built" Because, unless you have a fully certified NHTSA-approved converted R33, how else do you title and register a Skyline, but their annoyingly ambiguous "custom body kit on a vehicle" registration? |
my titles are all clean and clear.they dont mention ASPT,rebuild,salvage or what ever terms are used. They tell the correct vin,make and even previous title state.and in that box it say "OS" for over seas
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Posted by: Count Zero at 12:49 PM 4/7/2007
We all know FL is horribly lax about checking if a car has been imported and converted properly.
What we're saying is this: Per NHSTA, the only cars that have been legally converted and thus are federally approved to be here and on the roads are the Motorex cars. Sad, but true.
Anyone can get a title on a car, especially in Florida.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: celm at 2:39 PM 4/7/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
Anyone can get a title on a car, especially in Florida. |
come here and try it,and when you cant get it done.i will be happy to charge you a stupid amount to get it done
i done it many time and i enjoy it everytime
Modified by celm at 6:17 PM 4/7/2007
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Posted by: Count Zero at 11:07 PM 4/7/2007
I know many people who live down there. It's easy.
Hell, I know people who live here and title and register their cars there, to avoid personal property tax. Again, easy.
No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida.
But the point remains, per NHTSA, the only Federally legal Skylines in the US are the ones that came through Motorex.
A state-issued title does NOT over-ride Federal regulations.
That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved.
And you've yet to EVER answer the one simple question, no matter how many times it gets asked: How do you import your cars? In pieces or as an assembled, fully-running vehicle?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 11:52 PM 4/7/2007
They think they're the ONLY ones with the "ancient JDM secret".
Hell, the guys here in AZ do the same thing, and I laugh at them. The fact is, it's simply not worth the hassle for the state-employed retards at the DMV to cause a ruckus over...
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: celm at 5:29 AM 4/8/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
| I almost did, just to avoid the stupid emissions we have here (for now). I know many people who live down there. It's easy. No state is as easy to title and register vehicles as Florida.
That whole quote about the state's being responsible for titling and all that means just that: It's their responsibility to check and ensure that the cars they title are legal. Just because they don't, doesn't mean those cars are magically DOT approved.
|
i answered it many times and u did not read.FULL RUNNING!!
and doing a title transfer of a JDM car that allready has a title from anothere state is simple, all you do is have the title take the car to the Tax office and for them to verify the vin and thats its,title is transfered( im refering to my state only).im talking about its initial title.meaning when u have the car and the jsp de-reg,Thats what im talking about.if you think yuo can just take the car and bring the de-reg and they will just title it.I dont think so!!!! so thats why im saying get the thought out of your head that its easy to do the initial titling of a JDM car in fl.
Modified by celm at 8:59 AM 4/8/2007
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Posted by: Count Zero at 1:32 PM 4/8/2007
Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: celm at 3:57 PM 4/9/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
| So you only deal with cars that someone else has already brought in to the country? Well, whatever helps you sleep at night, comfortable in the fact that you're selling illegal vehicles to people. |
99% of the cars i do,arent even mine.i didnt even import them, if i sell a car it was a car i was driving around for a few months.and its registered and insured and the whole nine yards.when do u see me ever listing cars for sale,maybe once every six months...
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 5:10 PM 4/10/2007
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
| Frank (celm) and Jon (turtle) Does it even bother you one bit that you are selling cars to people that aren't even legal? I don't care what you say, "Oh, it's state legal and here is what the NHTSA says..." blah, blah, blah. You are getting money from someone who is trusting you to get a car that they want. If they are like, "I don't care if it's not 'Legal', just get me one", dosen't it get on your conscience just a little bit? I couldn't do that to someone, you know, take thousands of dollars and say, "here ya go, pal, best of luck", which, in a sense, is what you are doing. I guess if you are ok with it, who am I to argue with you. |
dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah.
-sorry admins im just going to get something straight.
my cars are NOT kit cars- i bring my cars through a race team, cars like the D1 cars... they dont take those cars apart they bring them in as a WHOLE car, i just stick my cars with the same container, and they give me a time limit to get the cars registered...
goddam...
Post Title: Re: (turtle600rr)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:48 PM 4/10/2007
| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » |
dude, im sick of people assuming these things about me the the 99% blah blah blah. |
Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars.
If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation.
I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars.
I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this?
Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: USsil80 at 10:31 PM 4/10/2007
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum. |
and that goes for saying any skyline that isn't a 96-98 legal in this country... the docket put forth aid they are the only ones that are legal to drive on the street( WITH MODIFICATIONS )... if i take one of your cars to the cops for inspection am i going to get it back or am i going to watch a very expensive show as it gets crushed
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: turtle600rr at 6:49 PM 4/12/2007
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
Dude, do me a favor and go back and read what I posted. Where did I say anything about your shipping procedures or whether or not you dissassembled them? I was simply asking you about selling illegal cars. If you were able to contact the NHTSA and work with them to get these cars legal and lo and behold it became a reality, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My problem is people are selling cars that ARE NOT able to be legalized in the US. MotorEx got many done, albeit through shady practices, legally, and if those cars are selling, I don't question it with proper documentation. I don't want our membership here at NICO to be taken advantage of. If they know what they are getting into, fine. If they want just a car to take to car shows, track days or the drag strip so they don't need a title, fine. I don't give a damn. I DO give a damn about people selling cars saying, "Oh, I can get it legal in the state," and then not informing thier clients that the cars will not be ferderally legal and they run the risk of the car being impounded or, worse, crushed after shelling out several thousand dollars. I feel as if I am beating a dead horse, but doen't anyone else see where I am coming from on this? Oh, and by the way, do not use blasphemy in my forum. |
ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect...
Post Title: Re: (turtle600rr)
Posted by: celm at 6:53 PM 4/12/2007
| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » |
ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect... |
+1
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Posted by: AZhitman at 10:08 PM 4/12/2007
None of this is to say that I would pass up an R32 GT-R or GTS-T at the right price....
Post Title: Re: (turtle600rr)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 6:50 PM 4/13/2007
| Quote, originally posted by turtle600rr » |
ok guys... i know where your coming from, i had already quit posting my cars for sale just to save us all the head ache. i just want everyone to leave me out of those posts saying im bsing ect... |
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
+1 |
Thanks guys, I just wanted to make sure you understood what I was saying.
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Posted by: Sechsterlo at 3:27 PM 4/15/2007
The only truly federally legal Skyline is one that came over via the now defunct Motorex.
If it isnt federally legal, then you cant use it for general everyday use on the street.
If you have a skyline that isnt federally legal, if found it will likely be exported, impounded, crushed, or otherwise made unretainable.
Based on this info, and assuming its not wrong, am I to draw the conclusion that I basically cannot legally get an R32 GTR unless it was a Motorex imported machine? Ideally I would prefer to get one that is already stateside, so as not to deal with all the importing red tape, but now Im really not sure what the best course of action is.
Post Title: Re: (Sechsterlo)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 5:00 PM 4/15/2007
One thing though, and I am not 100% sure on this, but the R33 Skylines, according to the NHTSA, is the only model that is legal to import and have modified to regulations.
But...I have been told that the NHTSA has recinded that statement and no Skyline is allowed to be legally imported.
Can anyone verify that?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:41 PM 4/15/2007
Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners.
However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention...
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Posted by: ja sam debo at 12:07 AM 4/16/2007
I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex
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Posted by: DarkBlueSr240 at 6:31 PM 4/16/2007
| Quote, originally posted by kuuligan » |
| commenting from a few posts above...I know for a fact 96+ skylines are alot easier to import. I have a 97 skyline, legally registered and inspected for Texas..and did not get it via motorex |
The simplest summation was posted just above:
| Quote, originally posted by AZHitman » |
| That is correct Neal. Now, for those cars that have passed a state inspection, and by whatever means have been issued a US VIN and are registered, there may be NO problems for their owners. However, there's always the chance that something goes wrong (usually due to an accident, a vandalism / theft, or simply a "hater") that brings the car to "official" attention... |
| Quote, originally posted by DarkBlueSr240 » |
| So there is no way to go about this.... And how do the owners that are on here have theres? how can I get one...? |
Stays in the garage 99% of the time anyways
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
So, you've got an illegally imported and registered car....hope nothing happens to it. |
| Quote, originally posted by kuuligan » |
| how is the car illegally imported? Stays in the garage 99% of the time anyways |
No reason to respond to the first question, the past 8 pages are clear.
Anything that stays in the garage 99% of the time is a decoration, not a performance car.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:34 AM 4/17/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| p.s. CZ, anytime you decide you're bored with the 32, you know where to find me. |
Only way I'd sell it is if my boss every manages to talk me into moving to Canada....sell the Motorex one here in the states, and get a Canadian one; that way two people win.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:59 AM 4/17/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Dialing him RIGHT now. |
In fact, both my clients are female. And hot.
I love my job.
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Posted by: DarkBlueSr240 at 6:52 PM 4/17/2007
But good luck getting Customs to issue the 1-year approval for a Skyline these days. (ie., they won't, for the simple fact that too many people are doing it, then taking the cars to FL or wherever, and getting state titles and selling them)
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:03 AM 4/18/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
| In theory, yes......for 1 year. But at the end of that year, you have to sell, export or destroy the car. But good luck getting Customs to issue the 1-year approval for a Skyline these days. (ie., they won't, for the simple fact that too many people are doing it, then taking the cars to FL or wherever, and getting state titles and selling them) |
From what I found out last year, you also have to provide dates, locations and events to which you would be using the car for.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: kuuligan at 7:05 AM 4/18/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
No reason to respond to the first question, the past 8 pages are clear. Anything that stays in the garage 99% of the time is a decoration, not a performance car. |
I was kidding about the 99%, but it stays in my garage most of the time becuase i'm travelling between austin/houston all the time.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Count Zero at 9:52 AM 4/18/2007
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
|
All the Motorex cars will have a sticker from California showing that they were inspected for the NHTSA and EPA conversions.
Post Title: Re: (carman24)
Posted by: USsil80 at 4:22 PM 4/22/2007
| Quote, originally posted by carman24 » |
| Hi, I'm new to this and i'm and I am looking for my first car. After looking i found a skyline for cheap and its in good condition 1993. I have been looking over this topic for a few days and I'm wondering if it is legalized. How could i find out if so, and idk what to do. I just wanna know how i can get it and not taking away by cops while on the road=) |
First car.. and looking at a motorex car... deep pockets man they usually go for around 40k
Post Title: Re: (USsil80)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:54 PM 4/22/2007
| Quote, originally posted by carman24 » |
| Hi, I'm new to this and i'm and I am looking for my first car. After looking i found a skylin for cheap and its in good condition 1993. I have been looking over this topic for a few days and I'm wondering if it is legalized. How coudl i find out if so, and idk what to do. I just wanna know how i can get it and not taking away by cops while on the road=) |
Please don't take offense to this, but with your age, a Skyline is not the best car for you for your first one.
For one, parts are difficult to come by, and not cheap. The car itself can be expensive if it is a legal one. Right had drive take some getting used to, especially if you are driving it in the US. You will attract a lot of unwanted attention...i.e. people will want to race you, only because you are driving a Skyline, and that could get you noticed by the police, which you really don't want.
Like I said, I am not trying to rain down on your parade, just letting you know that a $$$ car like a Skyline may not be a good option.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: MazdaMX-3Driver at 4:34 PM 4/23/2007
One way or the other, it is such a touchy subject, I would make a case * and am considering doing so* to the feds to review this from square one. By appearance, its been poorly handled since the first day.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: shift_2054 at 2:41 AM 4/26/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| It makes it MUCH easier. That's all I'm saying. Eliminates the need for crash-testing and such. And "seeing" a car that's been imported means nothing to me. Seeing Federalization docs would impress me. p.s. It's Birkmire. Doctor Birkmire, to you. |
so i can import this rx7
http://www.japan-partner.com/A....html
and only have to worry about the emissions???
Post Title: Re: (SX Enthusia)
Posted by: Count Zero at 3:12 PM 4/30/2007
| Quote, originally posted by SX Enthusia » |
so i can import this rx7 http://www.japan-partner.com/A....html and only have to worry about the emissions??? |
Please read the beginning of the thread.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: roadrunr at 8:10 PM 5/9/2007
Here's a link to the page that talks about importing Canadian cars:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/....html
Modified by roadrunr at 9:24 PM 5/9/2007
Modified by roadrunr at 9:25 PM 5/9/2007
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Posted by: Count Zero at 10:53 PM 5/9/2007
2. Yes, the 96-99 R33's still have an allowable listing with the NHTSA, but... It's not just *any* R.I. that can bring them over and covert them....each R.I. has to prove their converstion process and get specific permission. While on paper you'd think that's not a hard process, but thanks to the crap Motorex pulled, the whole Skyline model is like unofficially blacklisted and there's currently no R.I. with the converstion authorization (that I'm aware of).
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: USsil80 at 7:53 AM 5/10/2007
BTW--is that you Nelson?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 1:05 AM 5/20/2007
Unfortunately, they've addressed military importations as well - not gonna fly.
Now, storing it in JP until it's 25 would be a great solution... Good idea.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Cjmartz2k at 4:33 AM 5/20/2007
Storing it over here isn't all that easy, especially over a long period of time. No where on base would be safe for that long, and parking off base is hard enough to find, let alone long term storage. If you were to dissasmble and part it home, than reassemble and let it sit, would that circumvent the process, or do you need proof that it was legaly brought into the country to get it registered on it's 25th?
Even if that works, I would still probably pull the drive train, than buy an older R32 just to get it all over with a few years sooner. I could probably sell the RB20 drivetrain too. You can get RB20'd R32's here in pretty good shape bone stock for $1500-$2500.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 2:04 PM 5/20/2007
Just a quick question. Couldn't someone, who wants to register a car after the 25 years, buy a Canadian R33 for 15-20K, and store it in the US for the next 8 or 9 years? You could even drive it off-road only, and make sure it's maintained well? The only reason I bring this up is that once the 25 years is up we'll have more troubles. For instance, there will be less Skylines by then (mostly because of the Japanese inspection laws), the Canadian market price will be artificially inflated due to higher demand, and the cars will be higher mileage. These are just some thoughts I had. I would, as much as anyone else on here, like to have a legit Skyline. In my situation, being only 20 years old, I can be happy with my 240 for 8-9 years, and get an R33 when they are legal here. It's just not worth it to drive an illegal car.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 6:12 PM 5/21/2007
Altho storage fees would be as much as the car is worth.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Bierbaumer at 7:21 PM 5/21/2007
man, you just destroyed my dreams 
anyways.
if r32 skylines are illegal in the us in general,
how comes that there are always some on ebay???
and the owners claim that the are legal?
i don't get it.
is it as hard to import any japanese car?
fd's, fc's, s13's, s14's???
please tell me it's "just" the skyline.
one more thing about that topic.
where in the world is it legal to get an skyline to the road?
(besides japan of course...)
Post Title: Re: (Bierbaumer)
Posted by: USsil80 at 9:54 PM 5/21/2007
there was a guy who had the regulations (roadrunr... will send him pm) what you would have to change,
to get the car street legal in the states.
can i have those?
i'm an automotive engineer...
this can't be so hard, can it?
i mean someone has done it before, it's not like flying without wings *lol*
Post Title: Re: (Bierbaumer)
Posted by: USsil80 at 8:29 AM 5/22/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Bierbaumer » |
| so i've read this thread. there was a guy who had the regulations (roadrunr... will send him pm) what you would have to change, can i have those? i'm an automotive engineer... |
Yes it has been done.. the only one able to be legal as a skyline is the 96-98 model and there is a par of the conversation that is confiditial-so you can't find out what needs to be done.. all the crash test data is is in the docket 5507(don;t quote me on that it is in here sevel times)-- if you could look at it an analyze it and say what needs to be done- great.. good luck
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:53 AM 5/22/2007
I've said it 8 billion times - if it could be done legally, I'd have one.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: USsil80 at 8:56 AM 5/22/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| All the legal info you need is on page 1. I've said it 8 billion times - if it could be done legally, I'd have one. |
it can be done... you just need that confidently dis-closer so you can modify the car to pass
Post Title: Re: (USsil80)
Posted by: Iron Chef at 5:01 AM 5/23/2007
Gee I thought Australian regs were tough! I've attached a pic of my R34, will post some of the others later.
Has anyone tried petitioning the Federal govt. to get the restrictions on importing Skylines lifted? I don't mean taking them to court, just lobbying the govt. so they re-visit it and use a bit of common sense. Surely there could be a way of restricting numbers so that the car makers over there don't get their knickers in a knot???
There are some vehicle importers here in Australia who've done very nicely out of the business, (myself included) who would probably be interested in working through the processes necessary to get Skylines on the road if more models other than the R33 were available. If you're wondering why Aussies might be interested in setting something up - we've already jumped through a similar set of hoops getting imported cars on the road here, so many of the skills already learnt may well help over your way.
Just a thought...
Cheers
Kristian
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Posted by: oki_bum at 8:28 PM 5/24/2007
Well...looks like one of us has to win the lottery and see if we can change some peoples minds about blacklisting the skyline.
Post Title: Re: (Iron Chef)
Posted by: grlcreeper at 3:53 AM 5/31/2007
Typical government bureaucracy.
If anyone cares to know which political party EVERY opposition comes from, I'll be glad to give you a hint, but I'm not interested in making a political thread about it.
Just keep this in mind when you go VOTE: The same pinheads pushing higher CAFE standards, spouting off about global warming, are the same folks who oppose the importation of Skylines.
Free-market Capitalists don't give a crap - We say, "Bring 'em."
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ub3rvspecr34 at 9:20 PM 6/5/2007
Most aren't for sale.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ub3rvspecr34 at 6:38 PM 6/6/2007
and how many r34's were legalized by motorex? ive heard numbers ranging from 2 to 7 to 11, does anyone really know?
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Posted by: AZhitman at 6:43 PM 6/6/2007
My business partner owns a Motorex R33 GTR, but it's not for sale.
Considering they were all $60K or more, and they're not depreciating, 'd say that's the LEAST you'd get one for (if you could find one).
For that kind of money you could build something else that would eat it for dinner.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ub3rvspecr34 at 9:25 PM 6/6/2007
Although, a Motorex R34 GT-R will cost you significantly more than $90K.
Hell, just buy Lieberman's car, it's been for sale forever. We'll even help you "de-rice" it.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ub3rvspecr34 at 10:16 PM 6/6/2007
i don't think i could swing much more then 90k for a used 60k car..i wish i never saw a skyline and could be content with other things
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: S13DRFTKID at 1:30 AM 6/14/2007
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| You just validated my point. They share a chassis. The Maxima and Altima share a chassis, are they the same car.....NO! The 350 has the same chassis as the G35, Is the 350 also a Skyline then? Is a 1.8S Sentra the same as an SER Spec-V? Is a Sylvia the same as an American 240SX? Is a Mustang LX the same as a Saleen S281 just because the bodies are similar? NO!!! But by your reasoning my 02 Altima is actually a Maxima, which would actually be an Infiniti I35, so I should stop telling people I own a Altima and call it an I35 instead. Maybe I can sell it for more when I'm ready to by my G35, which according to you is actually a Skyline so then my dream car would actually be that much closer to reality, Gee thanks for clearing that up for me.The skyline has the RB25DETT and the G35 has the VQ35DE. Two different motors. ie...It's not a skyline. There are major differences between the cars. Any purist would know that the G35 is not a damn Skyline. You wanna argue with that? I've got all night, let's see who runs out of facts first.......... P.S. I'm now Selling my 2002 Nissan Infiniti AltiMaxI35 for any form of 350 Z35 Skyline.......... Note the hostile sarcasm.
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The G35 is the U.S. eqivelent to the Japanese V35 Skyline.
End of argument.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Count Zero at 6:53 PM 6/16/2007
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| I've seen a couple for sale, but they typically are sold via word-of-mouth... No need to list on ebay. |
He'd just put it up, so I emailed him my phone number.
Called a couple hours later.
One hour after that, we hung up and I paypal'd him a deposit.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: USsil80 at 11:20 PM 6/16/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
Strangely enough, I first saw the one I got on eBay. He'd just put it up, so I emailed him my phone number. |
your such a baller
Post Title: R34 Track car...
Posted by: Magical Trevor at 1:23 AM 6/17/2007
I own my own motorsports business and I do alot of open track road racing. I just recently experienced the thrill of a R34 GTR Vspec on the track, and there are very few words to explain the way it feels.
Now my question is importing a skyline just for show/road racing/shop car. What type, if any, problems will I have with customs/importing an R34 for off road use? I will mainly use it for testing over the next coming years for open track racing. I would like to start offering products for the R34/RB26 and maybe the 33 and 32. It's such a versatile platform to build on and I would love to start using it in the states for track days and research.
Thank you,
-Trevor Johnson
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Posted by: AZhitman at 1:27 AM 6/17/2007
All info for track importation can be found in those legal docs cited in the first page... Basically, it's a LOT easier doing what you want to do.
There's a TON of yahoos selling "registered" Skylines, they're not Federalized, and you're good to go as a shop / race / show car.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Magical Trevor at 3:12 AM 6/17/2007
-Trevor
Post Title: Re: (USsil80)
Posted by: Count Zero at 10:46 AM 6/17/2007
| Quote, originally posted by USsil80 » |
your such a baller |
| Quote, originally posted by Magical Trevor » |
| Awesome! That's exactly what I wanted to hear! Anything that I need to look out for as far as GTR's go? I know there have been people out there that badge them to look like GTR's , are there any other skyline's out there that are NOT AWD based? Or is that the only skyline to have the AWD setup? -Trevor |
The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: celm at 11:17 AM 6/17/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
If it's not a RB26 (not 25) with the ATTESSA-ETS, then it's not a GT-R. The only Skyline to offer AWD other than the GT-R was the R32 GT-4, which ran the ATTESSA tranny but only a RB20DET motor. The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R. |
real way to check is by chassis codes
if BNR32 is part of the vin # then its a GTR
if HNR32 is part of the vin # then its a GTS-4
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:15 PM 6/17/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
If it's not a RB26 (not 25) with the ATTESSA-ETS, then it's not a GT-R. The only Skyline to offer AWD other than the GT-R was the R32 GT-4, which ran the ATTESSA tranny but only a RB20DET motor. The simplest way to check if it's just a GTS badges as a GT-R is...pop the hood. If you see a RB26, it's probably a GT-R. If you want to make certain, look on the dash for the "Front Torque" gauge. No gauge, no GT-R. |
The R32 GTS-4's had a front torque guage as well.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Count Zero at 2:51 PM 6/19/2007
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
The R32 GTS-4's had a front torque guage as well. |
Course, if it's a GTS-4 with an RB26DETT dropped in.....how much difference is left between it and a real GT-R? *ponder*
As for the VIN plate: yes, also a good check, assuming they didn't alter it.
Post Title: Re: (icsbnr32gtr)
Posted by: skylinenut21 at 12:17 AM 6/21/2007
thanks,
andy
Post Title: Re: (skylinenut21)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:07 AM 6/21/2007
| Quote, originally posted by skylinenut21 » |
| hey i'd like more information on registering a skyline i have one lined up right now for pretty cheap from germany but i want to know what else ill need to do to legalize it here its a r34 and from the sounds of it i can even bring it into the u.s. im fairly new to the whole skyline importing thing but i would really like to get more information and costs. i have a lot of friends that work in the auto business and mechanics business so any info is appreciated. thanks, andy |
It'll never be "Legal" as far as that's concearned. But there are some people around the boards that will tell you that being "state legal" is good enough, but it's been said over and over and over in this thread and others. Is it worth the money you are gonna spend to have that nagging feeling on you, wondering, "Is some cop gonna bust me and take my car?"
I think not.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: skylinenut21 at 9:44 AM 6/21/2007
Post Title: Re: (skylinenut21)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 8:51 PM 6/21/2007
| Quote, originally posted by skylinenut21 » |
| yeah i have been emailing this guy who is selling one he just told me that it has been modified to dot and epa requirements i asked him to send pictures of the signed documents so we will see. also i got a little confused about what happens once the car is stateside. do you get the car or does someone else hold or what? just a minor question because the guy was going to send it via cargo plane to me. so i dont know just doing research. i was also thinking could you just take a 240 sx's vin and putting that all on the skyline and saying the skyline is a replica? i know that probably is a noob question but it was just a thought. |
Changing a vin from one car to another is most likely a felony...not sure though, so if someone can shed some light on that, please do.
For what it's worth, R33's can be made to be legal, but most people don't want to shuck that kind of money on a car. You could spend that cash on a car that is already legal and mod the hell out of it. But, to each their own.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: skylinenut21 at 10:03 PM 6/21/2007
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Posted by: skylinenut21 at 12:35 AM 6/22/2007
check this out i came across this on a forum. its pretty interesting
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Posted by: s13ohio at 7:59 PM 6/25/2007
also, one more thing, if you register it as a track/ show car and drive over the 2,500 mi, what happens?
thanks a ton,
James
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Posted by: s13ohio at 8:08 PM 6/25/2007
" 'My biggest challenge was the difficulty of getting the BMV in the state of Ohio to issue a title to a non-standard VIN number," explains Kyle Bacon, 33, of Columbus and the owner of a 1995 R33. "They just couldn't handle a VIN that had dashes in it. They needed a 13-digit number without any special characters. So we took out some dashes and added some zeroes.' "
>taken from -
http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...05699
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Posted by: nipo at 8:35 PM 6/25/2007
Does anyone KNOW or have a good idea of how much it would cost to start the whole legal process over? How many cars need to be crashed, how many cars must be modded and passed before they will allow legal importation again?
I say this because IF its in a reasonable range I think i can convince my dad to do this.
Lets hear it.
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Posted by: s13ohio at 9:08 AM 6/26/2007
EDIT: NVM, I got ahold of DOT.
Post Title: Re: (s13ohio)
Posted by: Pycakmark at 11:08 PM 7/9/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Pycakmark » |
| what bout motorex? they deal only with skylines. |
You missed a lot, start over.
http://www.nicoclub.com/arc2-2006.html - scroll down...
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (l31nismo)
Posted by: 2thelimit at 1:49 PM 7/23/2007
| Quote, originally posted by 2thelimit » |
| you are completely right..the G35 IS NOT A SKYLINE. i think Nissan just threw the G35 tag on it to shut up US customers demanding a skyline. |
"a rose by any other name...."
For some cars there may be some room for arguing that they're different cars, like the KA-powered 240sx versus the SR-powered Silvia.
But if the only differences are RHD versus LHD, KPH vs MPH and the addition of US-required safety and emissions equipment, then they're still pretty much the same car....just with country-specific differences.
The Silvia is legally the "200sx" in Australia....but otherwise are the exact same car. So does that make an Aussie who puts Silvia badges on his 200sx a possuer?
It's like the "quarter-pounder" vs. "grand royale" at European McDonalds thing: You're going to have country-specific differences, but the cars are still essentially the same thing.
There's plenty of cars in the European market that come in RHD/MPH for the UK and LHD/KPH for everywhere else in Europe.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (2thelimit)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 4:17 AM 7/27/2007
| Quote, originally posted by 2thelimit » |
| you are completely right..the G35 IS NOT A SKYLINE. i think Nissan just threw the G35 tag on it to shut up US customers demanding a skyline. |
Yes it is. Stop the argument. Unless you can prove to me that the USDM G35 and the JDM Skyline are significantly different, just accept that you drive a Skyline and move on.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: JchavezJ at 7:54 PM 8/15/2007
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
|
I had my r33 shipped to me in pecies chassis, engine, trans, suspension all seaperated
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Posted by: Florida240sx at 9:17 PM 11/18/2007
580. A "specially constructed vehicle" is a vehicle which is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer. A specially constructed vehicle may be built from (1) a kit; (2) new or used, or a combination of new and used, parts; or (3) a vehicle reported for dismantling, as required by Section 5500 or 11520, which, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle dismantled. A specially constructed vehicle is not a vehicle which has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts.
Amended Ch. 1286, Stats. 1983. Effective January 1, 1984.
Specially Constructed Vehicles- Emission Control
What is the Specially Constructed Vehicle Emission Control Program?
Existing law requires most 1976 and newer model year vehicles to pass an emissions control inspection (smog check) prior to original registration, transfer of ownership, and every second annual renewal. Since Specially Constructed Vehicles (SPCNS) are homemade and do not have a manufacturer-assigned model year, they must be taken to a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Referee Station for the original inspection. Upon completion of the inspection, the referee will affix a tamper-resistant label to the vehicle and issue a certificate that establishes the model-year for future inspection purposes.
Per California Vehicle Code §4750.1, the first 500 program applicants in each calendar year may choose whether the inspection is based on the model-year of the engine used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year. If the engine or the vehicle does not sufficiently resemble one previously manufactured, the referee will assign 1960 as the model-year.
After the first 500 vehicles have been registered in any calendar year, all others will be assigned the same model-year as the calendar year in which the application is submitted.
Previously registered vehicles may be included as one of the first 500 applicants in a calendar year and apply for a different model-year determination.
What is an SPCNS Certificate of Sequence?
An SPCNS Certificate of Sequence identifies a vehicle as one for which the owner may choose emission control inspection based on the model-year of the engine used in the vehicle or the vehicle model-year. The certificate is issued by DMV Headquarters and will be mailed 7-10 working days after the application is accepted by your local DMV. The certificate must be presented to the BAR Referee Station at the time of inspection.
Per statute, only 500 certificates can be issued in a calendar year. Once the yearly allotment has been issued, applicants must wait until the following year to apply for a certificate.
SPCNS Certificates of Sequence cannot be transferred to a different vehicle or reissued in someone else's name. The seller of a vehicle must provide the buyer with the SPCNS Certificate of Sequence along with the bill of sale and any additional registration documents. In addition, fees deposited in one year cannot be held over for the next year's allocation of certificates.
Note: Due to the limited number of SPCNS Certificates of Sequence available, you may wish to submit your application for registration in person at a local DMV office.
As of January 2, 2008, all 500 SPCNS Certificates of Sequence have been issued. No additional Certificates of Sequence will be available until January 2009.
Registration Requirements for Home-Made, Specially Constructed, or Kit Vehicles
A "home-made, specially constructed, or kit vehicle" is a vehicle that is built for private use, not for resale, and is not constructed by a licensed manufacturer or remanufacturer. These vehicles may be built from a kit, new or used parts, a combination of new and used parts, or a vehicle reported for dismantling (junked) that, when reconstructed, does not resemble the original make of the vehicle that was dismantled.
A specially constructed vehicle (SPCNS) does not include a vehicle that has been repaired or restored to its original design by replacing parts or a vehicle modified from its original design.
Example: A Volkswagen "Beetle" with modified fenders, engine compartment lid, and front end, but still recognizable as a Volkswagen is not considered a specially constructed vehicle.
NOTE: The registration requirements for kit commercial vehicles are the same as for specially constructed vehicles.
The Registration Requirements are:
• A completed Application for Title or Registration (REG 343).
• A vehicle verification done by the California Highway Patrol (CHP). You must start your application process with the DMV prior to contacting the CHP for a vehicle verification. DMV verifies trailers with an unladen weight of 6,000 pounds or less.
• A completed Statement of Construction (REG 5036).
• Proof of ownership, such as invoices, receipts, manufacturers’ certificates of origin, bills of sale, or junk receipts for the major component parts (engine, frame, transmission, and body).
NOTE: A motor vehicle bond is required when proof of ownership cannot be obtained for parts valued a $5,000 or more.
• Official brake and light adjustment certificates. When an official brake and light station that inspects specific vehicles such as motorcycles and large commercial vehicles is not located within a reasonable distance, DMV will accept a Statement of Facts (REG 256) from a repair shop attesting that the brakes and lights are in proper working order. Brake and light certificates are not required for off-highway vehicles or trailers weighing less than 3,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
• A weight certificate for commercial vehicles weighing 10,000 pounds or less.
• An emission control inspection (smog check) by a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Referee Station. Click here for information on SPCNS Certificates of Sequence . To make an appointment at a BAR Referee Station, call 1-800-622-7733.
• All fees due.
• Visit your local DMV to begin the application process, make anappointment for faster service.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: silviabill at 10:57 PM 1/8/2008
Anyone have any concrete info on that???
Worse case scenario.....about how much would it cost to bring or convert my car to DOT and EPA standards...and where can I get Crash Test data for my vehicle??
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Sheridan)
Posted by: MrPresidentQ45 at 9:36 AM 1/11/2008
(Check out this article: Heres a clip from it) This is a official Press Release from Nissan. Skyline V36
Standard safety equipment includes rigid, safe Zone Body construction, driver and front passenger SRS Air Bag System, driver and front passenger SRS Side Air Bag System, SRS Curtain Air Bag System, Active Front Head Restraints and three-point ELR rear seat belts. Emergency Brake Operated Pre-crash Front Seat Belts are optionally available.
The Skyline coupe body has been designed to offer greater pedestrian protection, including the application of Nissan's new "pop-up engine hood" technology. When sensors embedded in the front bumper detect an impact with a pedestrian, the system's control unit determines if the hood needs to be instantly raised. If deemed necessary, the control unit activates a pyrotechnic actuator that raises the rear edge of the hood, creating a larger, protective buffer space between the hood and hard engine components underneath. This helps cushion the impact to the pedestrian's head if it collides with the hood.
From an environmental standpoint, all Skyline coupe models are certified as SU-LEVs, meeting 2005 standards to cut emissions by 75%. In addition, over 95% of the vehicle is recyclable (based on definitions of recyclables for new cars and calculation guidelines by the Japan Automobile Manufacturers Association, 1998). 
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (cvcdvr)
Posted by: sebastianmao at 11:37 PM 1/15/2008
| Quote, originally posted by martJOB » |
| so i read thru the first 2 pages and it confused me so bad that i didnt read the rest. so can someone pm telling me what i need to do to get one in the states....i already have it lined up i just need to know the fine details of this all |
| Quote, originally posted by skylinenut21 » |
| hey i'd like more information on registering a skyline i have one lined up right now for pretty cheap from germany but i want to know what else ill need to do to legalize it here its a r34 and from the sounds of it i can even bring it into the u.s. im fairly new to the whole skyline importing thing but i would really like to get more information and costs. i have a lot of friends that work in the auto business and mechanics business so any info is appreciated. thanks, andy |
After reading this thread and reviewing the petition by JK Technologies, I think I am coming to grips with this information. Now, all of the changes to make the car DOT legal are contained within the petition, or were there seperate (mind you DOT-specific, nothing to do with EPA yet) changes that needed to be made to the R33 post-96 series that Motorex has still not disclosed?
And then, once the car has passed the DOT inspection, it will then need to go through the EPA and their OBDII, which is what shuts down most potential buyers, correct? If that is correct, what if the car were outfitted with an OBDII-equipped engine (say an LS1 for the sake of argument), then would it be allowed to pass through the federal regulations or will it have been modified so heavily that it will no longer be considered a Skyline?
Now, with that said, what if strictly the body were imported, it was converted by an RI to comply with DOT rgulations, then outfitted with an engine that would pass the EPA regulations with an engine already in America. Would this modification, assuming that the DOT no longer considers a Skyline with a swapped motor to be the standard production model, be legally capable of being registered as a kit car (federally, not just state) because now it is heavily modified so that it is no longer a production car but it still meets DOT regulations?
Post Title: Re: (Enzo_Guy)
Posted by: MrPresidentQ45 at 6:26 PM 1/16/2008
Now you've got a legal engine that can make some power, legal VIN, and after some extensive body work and chassis fabrication, you've got the exterior (with a slightly different roof line) and the AWD.
How much could that possibly cost?
Post Title: Re: (MrPresidentQ45)
Posted by: BNR32 at 6:53 PM 1/16/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MrPresidentQ45 » |
| You know, I've actually been thinking along those lines, but from a different direction. Who knows, maybe the "build your own" skyline trend will catch on. I was thinking to keep the vehicle Nissan AND compliant, I would build it this way (get ready to cringe): Swap in VG30dett and take to referee station (CA) Import 1 1992 Skyline GTR as parts. Dismantle said Skyline into its component pieces. concurrently, dismantle my 240sx into its component pieces. Swap R32 font clip (including AWD bits.) and interior on to 240sx (not including engine) Cut quarter panels off R32, graft to 240sx (tail lights, trunk lid, etc.) Mate VG30dett to AWD running gear. Now you've got a legal engine that can make some power, legal VIN, and after some extensive body work and chassis fabrication, you've got the exterior (with a slightly different roof line) and the AWD. How much could that possibly cost? |
| Quote, originally posted by MrPresidentQ45 » |
| You know, I've actually been thinking along those lines, but from a different direction. Who knows, maybe the "build your own" skyline trend will catch on. I was thinking to keep the vehicle Nissan AND compliant, I would build it this way (get ready to cringe): Swap in VG30dett and take to referee station (CA) Import 1 1992 Skyline GTR as parts. Dismantle said Skyline into its component pieces. concurrently, dismantle my 240sx into its component pieces. Swap R32 font clip (including AWD bits.) and interior on to 240sx (not including engine) Cut quarter panels off R32, graft to 240sx (tail lights, trunk lid, etc.) Mate VG30dett to AWD running gear. Now you've got a legal engine that can make some power, legal VIN, and after some extensive body work and chassis fabrication, you've got the exterior (with a slightly different roof line) and the AWD. How much could that possibly cost? |
You're looking at some high prices unless you can do the labor yourself, but since you're registering the car as a 240SX I don't think you will have to have the labor done by an RI. If you are doing the labor, you lose a lot of money that you would have normally forked over to the RI, so it will be time consuming, but I think you will still have to register the car as a heavily modified vehicle or kit car.
The thing I think with my idea is that if the car has no engine when it comes through customs, then can the EPA stop it? As long as I have it legally converted by an RI to meet the DOT regulations then it does not look like insurance companies can bust me for fraud (since it is a fully DOT-legal car) but without an engine the EPA cannot stop it from going through. I could always juist take the engine out and put it back in one it's through customs anyway (or get one of those crazy Canadians to ship me down a good RB if I wanted to keep it Nissan). I would seriously like to know what some of the thread experts say about the idea of bringing the car in and getting it federalised without an engine.
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Posted by: USsil80 at 8:29 AM 1/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by strongside1335 » |
| is the skyline legal in iowa?.. |
Everyone, stop the nonsense. NICO is an incredible resource with knowledgeable and patient members. If you take the time to READ and SEARCH, chances are you'll find 99% of your answers. Just look at my join date and how little I've posted! I have been here longer than many active members with over a thousand posts, while I have fewer than 50.
To answer the question for the 10th time in this thread, there is only ONE legal way to own and drive a Skyline on public roads:
| Quote, originally posted by mentioned 10000 times already » |
| Buy one that has been legally imported by Motorex with the paperwork to back it up. |
Despite what others may say, anything else is gaming the system and you can and WILL be subject to stiff *** penalties when you get busted. Those Skylines arent as fast when they are crushed little cubes.
Post Title: Re: (Hype)
Posted by: Enzo_Guy at 9:47 PM 1/19/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Hype » |
Everyone, stop the nonsense. NICO is an incredible resource with knowledgeable and patient members. If you take the time to READ and SEARCH, chances are you'll find 99% of your answers. Just look at my join date and how little I've posted! I have been here longer than many active members with over a thousand posts, while I have fewer than 50.
Despite what others may say, anything else is gaming the system and you can and WILL be subject to stiff *** penalties when you get busted. Those Skylines arent as fast when they are crushed little cubes. |
I'm still waiting for an intelligent response to my idea of legally doing the DOT conversion and then installing an OBD2-equipped engine after it goes through Customs (or before if need be, but the car is shipped here and legally converted with no engine).
Post Title: Re: (Enzo_Guy)
Posted by: pirate87 at 8:57 AM 1/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by pirate87 » |
| Enzo, I think your idea is clever, regardless of whether it would work or not, but replacing the engine with something OBD compliant would taint the entire package. I just couldn't see spending all that time and effort just to drive a skyline shell. Something about the purity of the Skyline, how its almost the perfect car off the shelf, lends credit to its popularity and I think a lot of that would be destroyed by dropping in a VQ. |
| Quote, originally posted by ZenkiCam » |
| i am looking at a skyline at a local Nissan Dealership to buy, it is a 1993 1/2 R33 GTST. It is titled and Import Papers are with it. So it is legal in the state of GA, and was previously driven By the Owner, Tagged and everything. I don't know how he did his insurance though, and i have no way to ask him.. My question is, (i have researched so much on this, you dont even know) How hard is it to go about getting it insured, and what should i expect to hear from the insurance companies? also, What should it be insured as, owning the car is no big deal, im just worried about insurance. What have you guys done as far as getting yours insured? A step By step would be nice. |
Basically there are several organizations that are involved.
DOT
NHTSA
EPA
Motorex was able to legalize for a while. They hired a place in Baltimore Maryland to do the crash testing on 4 imported Skylines all R33's I believe. They also hired an engineering firm to design the needed modifications. I think they were located in Minnesota or Michigan. Before Motorex filed to have them be an importer of these cars, they filed a "Confidentiality Grant" that their research was considered intellectual property - meaning the Government can't release the results of the testing and needed modifications. Later due to some sort of problem, their importation was revoked. I think they were allowed to clear everything in the pipeline out, but then no more.
I talked to the place in Baltimore that did the actual testing for Motorex. They told me that anyone could go through the motions again to get these cars legalized, but the setup cost for crash tests is 1 million dollars. And that's not including the cost of the cars. Additionally, they were aware that the OBD2 challenge still hadn't been overcome and that is also causing problems in getting Motorex recertified.
As far as the insurance deal, all you should have to do is Declared Value.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Scram)
Posted by: zdonner at 8:35 PM 1/31/2008
He used to call me on a pretty regular basis, but haven't heard from him in over a year.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: zdonner at 9:10 PM 2/1/2008
| Quote, originally posted by l31nismo » |
| Are you just rambling magazine facts. The Altima and Maxima Sub-frames are identical. You can swap suspension components between the 2. I know this because I work on these cars all day long. Unless you've dropped the front cradle on any of these cars your opinions are not valid to me. Maybe to someone else but I know the fact, and that fact is despite the chassis codes these cars are similar but in fact NOT the same which is the point I was trying to make in the first place so instead of trying to critique my writing why don't you analyze the entire point of my senseless rambling. The G35 is not a Skyline....... |
Look closely at these two cars. The car on the left is the V35 Skyline 350GT, the car on the right is the Infiniti G35 coupe.
Tell me there cars aren't the same.
Then PROVE IT!
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (brizanden)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 4:54 PM 2/5/2008
Just think, in a few months you could become one with the Matrix.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: brizanden at 5:08 PM 2/5/2008
Sorry, I wasn't referring to mod status...
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: brizanden at 7:10 PM 2/5/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ZenkiCam » |
| i am looking at a skyline at a local Nissan Dealership to buy, it is a 1993 1/2 R33 GTST. It is titled and Import Papers are with it. So it is legal in the state of GA, and was previously driven By the Owner, Tagged and everything. I don't know how he did his insurance though, and i have no way to ask him.. My question is, (i have researched so much on this, you dont even know) How hard is it to go about getting it insured, and what should i expect to hear from the insurance companies? also, What should it be insured as, owning the car is no big deal, im just worried about insurance. What have you guys done as far as getting yours insured? A step By step would be nice. |
I noticed you're in Buford... I'm in Duluth, so I thought I would chime in :P
Progressive insured my car as well. It says "2001 NISSAN SKYLINE". You're welcome to come check it out yourself if you like
However, Georgia refused to register it simply because the VIN was not the proper number of digits. If the owner of the car you want works for this dealer, then they probably drive it with a special dealer's license plate, which you won't be able to use. As far as I know there isn't a way to register it in Georgia. So instead I registered and insured mine in Florida, and had no issues (I still have a residence there). I went through the normal process like any other car. Also Florida does not require emission/inspections so I don't have to deal with that either. If you know somebody in Florida that you are willing to put on your title (as well as your name) then you could do it that way.
Post Title: Re: (uheuheuhe)
Posted by: alex30179 at 1:38 PM 3/2/2008
| Quote, originally posted by alex30179 » |
| I just read like 2+ years of this post, which gave me a lot of knowledge, so i got to say thank you guys, but uheuheuhe from what i under stand, just having state registered is not legal, it also has to be registered and approved by the feds. Also, i think we should start contacting our state congress men, and try to organize something, we have the people and the want, but we need some one like hitman or so to lead. |
I wonder if there is some way to find out if one's car is "legal" or not. For example I am simply "told" that my car was imported by Motorex, but I do not have any of the papers with it. It was purchased from another individual who also did not handle the importing either.
Post Title: Re: (uheuheuhe)
Posted by: Hype at 3:32 PM 3/2/2008
| Quote, originally posted by uheuheuhe » |
For example I am simply "told" that my car was imported by Motorex, but I do not have any of the papers with it. |
Unfortunately I feel you may have been misled on this one. The Motorex papers are the only thing that can prove full 100% compliance will federal laws.
Post Title: Re: (Hype)
Posted by: brizanden at 2:20 PM 3/3/2008
That article was comprised by NICO's own AZhitman and Audtatious.
Props to the guys in charge for bringing you the straight scoop.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: blkasp3 at 7:59 PM 3/10/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Jardim » |
| I was looking at some R32s from canada going from 7000 dloars to 15000 gts was going from 5000-8000. could i buy it in canada and furnish a title fro the USA? i mean i saw clean stock R32s for less than some 240's go on ebay... and lets not get started on prices of the 1JZGTTE supras and 180sxs those guys had too |
You really need to read this article, then you'll get your answer.
http://www.nicoclub.com/articl...shtml
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (wooller1)
Posted by: brizanden at 11:10 AM 3/13/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Jenr33vspec » |
| hate to say it but some of this is wrong. I was able to legalize my car FEDERALLY without going through Motorex. I contacted the DOT, NHTSA, BCBP when I bought the car, ended up having to pay another $15,000 and had to wait a year and a half for my car to be done. Kinda sucked, but it is possible. |
Suuuuure. We've never heard THAT story before.
Looking forward to seeing your "federalized and NHTSA / DOT-approved R33".
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Posted by: Count Zero at 8:51 PM 3/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Suuuuure. We've never heard THAT story before. Looking forward to seeing your "federalized and NHTSA / DOT-approved R33". |
OK Azhitman -
You know that R33 that Clint Lindsay himself of the DOT and Erik Parker of the BCBP speak of in every article and every report about the importation of Nissan Skylines? The one he quotes the VIN# as an example of? That's my car. So try again. And it all started bc I contacted them myself.
Post Title: Re: (Jenr33vspec)
Posted by: akwikz at 9:38 PM 3/21/2008
Brian
Post Title: Re: (akwikz)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 10:03 PM 3/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by akwikz » |
| I think I speak for everyone when I say that I'd love to see more legal Skylines. That being said, with the amount of false claims out there we all are a bit skeptical. I for one only need a couple of things to be a believer. First, how did you handle the OBD2 situation? Since only the '96 R33 with factory twin airbags is legal for importation now, it is required to be OBD2 compliant. Up to now, no one has claimed to have solved that issue. Secondly, if you truly own a recently legalized car, who was the RI that brought it in? And would you mind showing us all a pic of the DOT exemption letter you must surely have. All of the MotoRex cars have one of these on file. It is the only 100% way of proving a fully legal Skyline. Just show us a pic of yours and you will find everyone here to be quite gracious. Without it, you are just wasting your time here as no one will take you seriously. Brian |
Doh. Beat me to the punch, Brian.
As mentioned, just show us the papers, and all is right in the world.
The reason we request this is, many a member has come in here stating that their Skylines/GT-R's are legal, and when asked for proof of these documents, nothing ever transpires. So you can see where our scepticism comes from, it's nothing personal.
Post Title: Re: (Jenr33vspec)
Posted by: AZhitman at 11:06 PM 3/22/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Jenr33vspec » |
OK Azhitman - You know that R33 that Clint Lindsay himself of the DOT and Erik Parker of the BCBP speak of in every article and every report about the importation of Nissan Skylines? The one he quotes the VIN# as an example of? That's my car. So try again. And it all started bc I contacted them myself. |
Doesn't mean dick to me, and name-dropping is nothing more than a distraction.
I asked a question. Until you answer it, it's simply another non-Federalized grey-market car.
p.s. Keep in mind, this doesn't mean I don't dig the car. Love it. But, my question remains.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: brizanden at 4:47 PM 3/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by brizanden » |
| and he shall never return lol |
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Posted by: Jenr33vspec at 4:12 PM 3/24/2008
As soon as I have the correct amount of posts, my car is going up for sale on this forum, and yes, the DOT and EPA certifications will be posted as well. Additionally the pictures of the barcode I'm required to have on my car now as well as the title - being that it is titled as a Nissan skyline, will also be posted. Some information will be blurred out for the post, but sent to interested buyers, as the last time I posted a full picture of my paperwork with my certification numbers clearly visible, some retards tried printing it up and changing the information on it to use it for themselves.
Post Title: Re: (brizanden)
Posted by: zdonner at 5:43 PM 3/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by brizanden » |
| and SHE shall never return lol |
Better?
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Posted by: Jenr33vspec at 6:13 PM 3/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by tripleJs15 » |
| $hit legal or not where can I buy an r34 for a decent price ???????????? |
Found one for you:
R34 For Sale 100% Legal
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: ventrex at 3:33 PM 4/14/2008
and its a clean V-spec II model!!!| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Found one for you: |
That made my day!
Post Title: Re: (zdonner)
Posted by: Cjmartz2k at 7:25 AM 4/22/2008
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: epokh at 2:08 AM 4/24/2008
hehe..I KID!!, I KID!!! 
I don't really know why I'm even in here, I can't really afford a skyline whether it be black market, gray market, purple market, or supermarket...but hey I'm bored and I enjoy the occasional molestation of a dead horse. 
My question is this (and I believe it was touched upon briefly a few pages back):
Set aside the R32 and R34..NHTSA says quite clearly this aint gonna happen. Take the 96-98 R33...and let's say Johnny Q Moneybags wants to start a Skyline importation business based solely on the "allowable" R33 models, call it "GT 'R' US".
Now, under the assumption<--(bad word) that Motorex in fact had R33's 100% legal through all the various agencies(NHTSA, EPA, DOT, etc) would it not be possible for "GT 'R' US", in cooperation with an RI, to purchase/steal a Motorex "fully legal" car, then import another R33, and essentially "reverse engineer" the Motorex car, replicating everything onto the imported car? I'm talking complete teardown of the Motorex car, noting any and all differences between the two.
Obviously, this would be a tad pricey, but would only have to be done once, effectively unlocking "the formula".
I'm not clear on whether the NHTSA would require the car to be crash-tested, since it has already been done, or if they would simply require everything to be in compliance with the original crash-test data?
Just some inane rambling, and as stated earlier, totally irrelevant to my broke ***.(And I have been known to be competely full of various animal excrement from time to time).
Keep in mind that I'm talking about someone trying to import them at a business level, this would obviously not be feasible for an individual looking to purchase one for him/her self. Wouldn't help all the R32/34 buyers either....damn government assclowns!! 
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Posted by: tripleJs15 at 7:15 AM 4/25/2008
And completely feasible, IMO. Hard to execute, but I can't see why it wouldn't work (other than, as you said, the meddlings of some damn Big Government geek with nothing better to do than pick on auto enthusiasts).
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Hype at 8:15 AM 4/25/2008
That is all well thought out, but unfortunately I believe the problem lies in the fact that the NHTSA rescinded the permit on the R33s because they got pissed they were duped by Motorex. Basically, this kind of spite work is designed (IMO) to prevent even new LEGAL importers from getting into the biz.
I would love if someone could prove me wrong on this, because I'm not exactly gonna have 100k lying around anytime soon to try and buy someone's legalized R34.
Post Title: Re: (Hype)
Posted by: Count Zero at 1:28 PM 4/25/2008
They replaced the authorization with a more narrow one for JUST the R33 chassis, since that was the only version crash tested.
The only pettiness was not allowing 1995's in the authorization, so that all R33's would have to be OBDII.
And even that pettiness is still justified by the fact that one of the crimes Hiro did was marking some 96+ R33's at 1995's when they couldn't get them OBDII compliant.
So, don't blame the NHTSA, blame Hiro at Motorex for screwing things up for everyone else.
Post Title: Re: (Count Zero)
Posted by: Hype at 4:51 AM 4/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Count Zero » |
So, don't blame the NHTSA, blame Hiro at Motorex for screwing things up for everyone else. |
No man, you're totally right on that one. Good to set the record straight.
Gonna take a LOT more penny jars to get a legal Skyline now...
Post Title: Re: (Hype)
Posted by: Enzo_Guy at 8:30 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Hype » |
No man, you're totally right on that one. Good to set the record straight. Gonna take a LOT more penny jars to get a legal Skyline now... |
Last I heard, JK Technologies will actually perform a legal OBD2 conversion for a substantial fee. Someone out there has the capabilities to do it.
To Epoch, the problem with your plan is that the Motorex cars were never actually fully compliant with emissions laws, so a complete teardown would only reveal Motorex's fraudulent practices and we would be no closer to having an emissions-legal Skyline.
At this point, I'm considering importing a decent condition '89 car as off-road only, restoring it over a few years, then trying to tag it once it gets to be 25 years old. At this point, that might be our only legal course of opportunity (and I want to get mine in case they put a complete ban on the cars in 2014).
Only way I can think of to get an R34 at this point would be to import the car in pieces, but instead of assembling it correctly use DOT-compliant pieces from several different vehicles so that it's not considered a mass production vehicle anymore (some more research into where the DOT draws the line between what amount of parts a car needs to have changed before it is considered mass production would be helpful).
Post Title: Re: (l31nismo)
Posted by: dcarino_04 at 9:02 AM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by dcarino_04 » |
| the military will ship it for free im in the airforce and if you have a contract with a RI then the military will ship it to them and then after the work is done you can have it. my buddy is brining back his honda accord SIR i had a gtst r32 but i didn't have the time. i was looking for a r33 gtr or gtst to bring it back but i didn't have the money or time i was just putting it off too much... but the loop hole is there. i was stationed at misawa. |
On page 7 there is a link to a marine that was stationed in Oki and got his RX-7 back as a kit car (although that's illegal with Skylines). There is a military Skyline running around my way, I'll see if I can find out exactly what he had to go through to get it.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: Dasoupdude at 9:01 AM 5/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by dcarino_04 » |
| the military will ship it for free im in the airforce and if you have a contract with a RI then the military will ship it to them and then after the work is done you can have it. my buddy is brining back his honda accord SIR i had a gtst r32 but i didn't have the time. i was looking for a r33 gtr or gtst to bring it back but i didn't have the money or time i was just putting it off too much... but the loop hole is there. i was stationed at misawa. |
Yeah, they'll ship it...but that's not the problem. The problem is trying to find some company that can do the modifications to the body and glass, and have the OBD II conversion on the ECU.
While it will make it a little bit more cost effective, it doesn't mean that shipping through the military makes it legal.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Gatecrasher at 1:25 PM 6/1/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Gatecrasher » |
| how hard is it to convert a RHD to a LHD? |
NO..
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: mikkelclay at 7:58 AM 6/11/2008
| Quote, originally posted by mikkelclay » |
| I read an article the other day that if you by a skyline without a motor in it, that customs considers it only as parts and not an import. Do you know this is true? |
Ahhh, here comes the kit-car debate again.
I can't say for sure if what you posted is true, but what I can tell you is even if you do that, then purchase an engine and drivetrain to put into it, it doesn't make it any more legal. It's just a loophole, that's all.
Bottom line, if you want to take the chance to do it that way, and risk losing a substantial amount of money if you are caught doing this, that's your choice. Just be aware of the potential hazards involved with this scenario.
http://www.nicoclub.com/articl...shtml
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Z33_kid at 4:31 PM 6/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Z33_kid » |
| well i been searching and havent found anything just wondering if your overseas in the military and have a r32 would you be able to bring to usa ? |
Yes you can, I can give you exact and specific details on how to do this if you want, shoot me a email at mccarty2003@yahoo.com
If you own a car that is listed on the NHTSA list and you want to import it, TMO will ship it for you but ONLY if it is on the list.
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
| Could you do it? Yes. Would it be legal? No, not in any way, shape, or form. Read the stickey just below this one (R32 forced to export) and you'll understand what could happen. |
That is not entirely true. You can ship it disassembled and import it as automotive parts (not for road use), now if you were to take that exact vehicle and all the parts which were claimed as automotive parts and then reassemble it and have it in running form for road use then yes that would be illegal because you are going against what it was imported for/as.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Vandrel)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 4:48 PM 6/19/2008
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
| Could you do it? Yes. Would it be legal? No, not in any way, shape, or form. Read the stickey just below this one (R32 forced to export) and you'll understand what could happen. |
| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » |
That is not entirely true. You can ship it disassembled and import it as automotive parts (not for road use), now if you were to take that exact vehicle and all the parts which were claimed as automotive parts and then reassemble it and have it in running form for road use then yes that would be illegal because you are going against what it was imported for/as. |
You make a valid point there, but, we all know, that 98% of the people aren't bringing it in for parts, and do plan on reassembling it.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Vandrel)
Posted by: EL MAMITO USMC at 3:24 PM 6/22/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » |
That is not entirely true. You can ship it disassembled and import it as automotive parts (not for road use), now if you were to take that exact vehicle and all the parts which were claimed as automotive parts and then reassemble it and have it in running form for road use then yes that would be illegal because you are going against what it was imported for/as. |
but the thing is what are car parts for? i guess they are for putting them in a car.
you know something that has been running in my mind a while know. you can bring your NON rolling chasis and be legal,. we all are clear on this. but what happens if we buy the remaining parts here in the US,ej: doors, hood, trunk, engine(their are few shops in CA who have all this parts). and the just go and get the car EPA inspected and have paper work proving that the cars passes the epa minimun requirements for emsions. for the OBDII part just put a standalone ecu like AEM, microtech and i think this solves the OBDII part, (some one correct me on this partif im wrong).
if you do this the car cant be seized because it doesnt brake any laws. it cleared US Customs and cleared EPA. and the NHTSA cant tell you how to build YOUR own car. Now if you do this and start selling the cars , it can show a patern of selling cars and then you migth get in trouble.
any REAL experts, and im sure if we could go to court and if all that i just said gets verifed by a court im sure that it would be legal. since the courts are the ones that interpret the law.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (EL MAMITO USMC)
Posted by: Vandrel at 12:08 AM 6/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by EL MAMITO USMC » |
| but the thing is what are car parts for? i guess they are for putting them in a car. if you do this the car cant be seized because it doesnt brake any laws. it cleared US Customs and cleared EPA. and the NHTSA cant tell you how to build YOUR own car. Now if you do this and start selling the cars , it can show a patern of selling cars and then you migth get in trouble. any REAL experts, and im sure if we could go to court and if all that i just said gets verifed by a court im sure that it would be legal. since the courts are the ones that interpret the law. |
From what I gathered from the rules is when a chassis is cleared through customs as "parts non-road use" it can never be used as road use, as in you cannot reassemble a vehicle using that chassis, it's strictly for parts and the frame is either to be scrapped or used in sections for "parts".
Now does that mean it's impossible to reassemble and register? nope. I can safely say I've even had base stickers registered and placed on a few cars, MP's never questioned once... just said "Hey nice car!"
Post Title: Re: (Jenr33vspec)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 2:32 AM 7/2/2008
I can post some info in the next few days, there has been a lot of discussion about this route on the FreshAlloy Skyline GTR/GTS baords and one of their US reps from J-Spec Connect (who brought in a bunch of cars for the Fast and Furious 4 movie including the first two R35 GT-R's) giving tons of info out.
I have been involved in learning everything there is to know about vehicle importation, especially the GT-R's, since 2005, and was one of those "No, for this reason, No, for that reason people." Needless to say, I'm really excited that this door has opened up in the last few months.
More info and links coming as my work schedule permits, and please forgive me if this has been covered earlier in this thread.
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 2:54 AM 7/2/2008
I am going to make all of the "Can't reassemble disassembled parts" guys pull out your hair .
I am a new face around here, but if any of you visit other forums, you will have seen me posting on a few other GT-R forums like FreshAlloy, Skylines Downunder, gtr.co.uk, GTR Canada- since about 2005 (I don't want you to get the idea that I'm a kaizo employee or something like that).
Modified by SamuraiSam at 3:06 AM 7/2/2008
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: Vandrel at 4:16 AM 7/2/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
I am going to make all of the "Can't reassemble disassembled parts" guys pull out your hair Modified by SamuraiSam at 3:06 AM 7/2/2008 |
Sounds good, and welcome. So do you have a R34 or a 32? Your sig shows a R32 so I'm just wondering.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: JValen at 9:43 PM 7/2/2008
(SKYLINE)s
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: AZhitman at 9:50 PM 7/2/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| I've done poking around the site, and come across a lot of unfortunate misinformation regarding Kaizo. I can see I'll have to make some pretty detailed posts- namely addressing a few people that are still seeing Kaizo unibodies as disassembled motor vehicle parts. |
Welcome board, Sam.
While you may be able to dispute the "disassembly / reassembly" guys, the one you can't get around is the portion that says for a car to be titled as they're recommending, the car can never have been offered for mass-production.
Skylines were, so therefore they're ineligible.
Kaizo has no responsibility beyond the selling of the rolling chassis, and that's fine... but let's be very clear that their customers need to fully understand that they're not getting a Federally-legal vehicle.
I double-checked with NHTSA long before you posted, when Kaizo first started presenting their "solution".
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 6:16 AM 7/3/2008
So, they tell you to take their chassis, and construct a kit car out of it, out of a Brand new chassis. And when they have built the car, to title it special construction, as a kit car, which is actually is.
Of course the customer does not end up with a bond-released NHTSA approved vehicle that conforms to all FMVSS, but that is not at all the type of car that they are selling, they are selling a "legal" kit car, as opposed to an "illegal" kit car that violates the clean air act, and is not comprised of formally disassembled parts.
Who did you check with at the NHTSA?
Kaizo performs enough modifications to the chassis to make it "Not a Nissan", in the same way that Ruf or Gemballa does not sell modified Porsches, they sell Ruf or Gemballa brand vehicles. That is why a Kaizo chassis was never offered for mass production.
Post Title: Re: (Vandrel)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 6:19 AM 7/3/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » |
Sounds good, and welcome. So do you have a R34 or a 32? Your sig shows a R32 so I'm just wondering. |
I often drive the car just to the left, the black sil-eighty (USDM S13 with various swapped body parts), rarely the GT-R, sometimes a Geo Metro.
Post Title: Re: (Jenr33vspec)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 6:35 AM 7/3/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Jenr33vspec » |
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| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| So my point is, that a Kaizo Unibody was never a car offered for mass production. Kaizo is licensed in the US, hence their being able to obtain 17 digit VIN's before the chassis is delivered to the customer. So, they tell you to take their chassis, and construct a kit car out of it, out of a Brand new chassis. And when they have built the car, to title it special construction, as a kit car, which is actually is. Of course the customer does not end up with a bond-released NHTSA approved vehicle that conforms to all FMVSS, but that is not at all the type of car that they are selling, they are selling a "legal" kit car, as opposed to an "illegal" kit car that violates the clean air act, and is not comprised of formally disassembled parts. Who did you check with at the NHTSA? Kaizo performs enough modifications to the chassis to make it "Not a Nissan", in the same way that Ruf or Gemballa does not sell modified Porsches, they sell Ruf or Gemballa brand vehicles. That is why a Kaizo chassis was never offered for mass production. |
OK...let's break out "Kaizo for Dummies, 101" and clear a few things up.
1. None of the parts on these Kaizo cars come from a Nissan Skyline?
2. They are constructing their own bodies, chassis, suspensions, interiors, etc. Where do those nifty little instrument clusters, the LCD display, the GT-R steering wheel, etc come from? Cause in my opinion, those seem to have come from "disassembled" cars, only to be reassembled into a Kaizo.
3. They don't sell them with the RB26DETT, but that's the engine most people are going to put into them, right? How is that possible to have that engine even legal, when there is no way to smog it because of no OBD II compatibility?
If you or anyone from Kaizo can come here and give us a straight, no bull**** answer, and it proves to be a legitimate way, then I'm all ears. But untill that happes, I just can't believe that these cars are 100% leagal to be registered and driven.
I may not be grasping the whole situation, because no one from Kaizo, nor it's customers can give us a straight answer.
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: AZhitman at 8:37 AM 7/3/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| Of course the customer does not end up with a bond-released NHTSA approved vehicle that conforms to all FMVSS, but that is not at all the type of car that they are selling, they are selling a "legal" kit car, as opposed to an "illegal" kit car that violates the clean air act, and is not comprised of formally disassembled parts. |
My point exactly.
And when you have difficulty registering said vehicle, which IS comprised of parts manufactured by Nissan, will they be there? No.
Shipping it in as a 'drivetrain delete' rolling chassis / DOT compliant unibody may get you past Customs, but it's a whole different ball game once the car is assembled...
Here - I'm ALL for someone finding a way around the importation restriction, because I think it's a stupid limitation and a waste of governmental resources.
As a newly-manufactured vehicle, which they're purporting to sell, it'll have to comply with all FMVSS in effect for year of manufacture (2008), which is gonna be difficult if not impossible for a car engineered a decade prior.
People keep bringing up RUF and Gemballa. However, they are starting with a car that has NO prohibitions aganist sale in the US. As with Alpina, Saleen, and others.
In addition, in order to have a valid VIN, a manufacturer HAS to install a NEW engine. A used engine is not legal. Check with CARB. If it doesn't have an engine on delivery, it is not a vehicle, therefore no VIN.
Again - I'm all for it. I just feel like it's incumbent on us to exhaust EVERY possibility for failure, since we're talking about someone spending $40,000 or more for a car.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 10:18 PM 7/3/2008
1. None of the parts on these Kaizo cars come from a Nissan Skyline?
Where do the parts on a Ruf CTR 2 come from?
2. They are constructing their own bodies, chassis, suspensions, interiors, etc. Where do those nifty little instrument clusters, the LCD display, the GT-R steering wheel, etc come from? Cause in my opinion, those seem to have come from "disassembled" cars, only to be reassembled into a Kaizo.
Where does Ruf obtain their bodies, chassis, suspension, interiors? The vehicles are legally Kaizo vehicles, the same way a Ruf is legally a Ruf. They have already passed every government hurdle needed to sell a vehicle as a manufacturer as, obviously, vehicles are issued with Kaizo legally listed as the MFG (please see picture evidence posted above.)
3. They don't sell them with the RB26DETT, but that's the engine most people are going to put into them, right? How is that possible to have that engine even legal, when there is no way to smog it because of no OBD II compatibility?
What OBD-II engine is installed into a 1996+ Factory Five Roadster Kit Car? What engine OBD-II engine is installed into a 1996+ Noble M12 Kit Car?
The RB26DETT has a certificate of conformity, per Sean Morris.
If you or anyone from Kaizo can come here and give us a straight, no bull**** answer, and it proves to be a legitimate way, then I'm all ears. But untill that happes, I just can't believe that these cars are 100% leagal to be registered and driven.
I may not be grasping the whole situation, because no one from Kaizo, nor it's customers can give us a straight answer.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 10:24 PM 7/3/2008
And when you have difficulty registering said vehicle, which IS comprised of parts manufactured by Nissan, will they be there? No. Correct, however, J-Spec, I would hope, would be there.
Shipping it in as a 'drivetrain delete' rolling chassis / DOT compliant unibody may get you past Customs, but it's a whole different ball game once the car is assembled...
Here - I'm ALL for someone finding a way around the importation restriction, because I think it's a stupid limitation and a waste of governmental resources.
As a newly-manufactured vehicle, which they're purporting to sell, it'll have to comply with all FMVSS in effect for year of manufacture (2008), which is gonna be difficult if not impossible for a car engineered a decade prior.They aren't trying to sell a newly manufactured vehicle. Let me dig up some information on other drivetrain-delete Cobra kit cars and see what their FMVSS requirements are. It will take a few days due to work schedule.
People keep bringing up RUF and Gemballa. However, they are starting with a car that has NO prohibitions aganist sale in the US. As with Alpina, Saleen, and others.I don't think this matters as there is no prohibition against Kaizo. Again we are needlessly bringing up Nissan. Nobody is selling a Nissan. I think on equal footing to RUF you can bring up any kit car body manufacturer. What we should be looking at legality wise are Factory Five kit cars or Lone Star State kit cars and seeing what besides the MSO is needed.
In addition, in order to have a valid VIN, a manufacturer HAS to install a NEW engine. A used engine is not legal. Check with CARB. If it doesn't have an engine on delivery, it is not a vehicle, therefore no VIN.Do you have a link to this? It would make life easy. If not, I can dig. I just hate reading CFRs.
Again - I'm all for it. I just feel like it's incumbent on us to exhaust EVERY possibility for failure, since we're talking about someone spending $40,000 or more for a car. Agreed. I have some of your questions as well. I would like to buy a Kaizo S15. I don't want to buy a GT-R until I can afford to do things well right off the bat. I am too spoiled with Marc's GT2530 powered R32, so I would have to mod immediately, and I won't have the money to do it all properly for many years.
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Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: AZhitman at 10:29 PM 7/3/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| They aren't trying to sell a newly manufactured vehicle. Let me dig up some information on other drivetrain-delete Cobra kit cars and see what their FMVSS requirements are. It will take a few days due to work schedule. Do you have a link to this? It would make life easy. If not, I can dig. I just hate reading CFRs. |
Yes, they are. By definition, it'll be a new (2008) car. As such, it has to comply with FVMSS. The others do because they're new engineering and design, not tired outdated technology.
Yeah. Let me scrounge it back up. I was doing this on my laptop earlier and saved the link on the desktop... I'm a doof.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 10:41 PM 7/3/2008
Sam is correct. and Laurel is correct at the same time.
the reason this car is not offered for mass production is it comes with a MSO/MCO. its like the cars birth certificate. FWIW you need to contact kaizo directly and get the skinny. daryl will chat it up with you all day about this. he knows. i bought one from him. they are not cheap. its not for everyone. IMO it meets the intent of EPA kit car laws.
instead of debating it amongst non experts, call the expert. http://www.kaizoindustries.com
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Posted by: MostH8D at 10:59 PM 7/3/2008
It's crazy. I feel bad for all those guys who purchased JDM Nissan Skylines. It's likely nothing will happen to them, but that old saying "the threat is worse than the act" kinda applies! From what I hear, the R32 that was seized in TX and approximately 15 other cars, were vehicles imported by a particular person that HS/Customs knows had lied on the import documents claiming them to be parts, but in reality were complete cars. Apparently 4 of his cars were already seized at the port in Los Angeles about three months ago, which is what prompted the investigation on this guy. Now, they know what the VIN's are on the other cars that he had previously imported and they are looking for them.
I've been reading the UK GTR forums and see there are plenty of guys out there with opinions on what's legal and what's not. The one guy in particular is pretty opinionated on the Kit Car theme and states that it's not legal. I've actually got into discussions with this person before on other forums and he seems to stand down now, when coming right out and commenting on the legality of Kaizo, but still suggests that its not right. He and others have indicated that having all Nissan components installed in your kit car, is what makes it illegal, but if you simply read the law at its face value, it's pretty clear. The example the law gives of circumvention indicates those who import the bodies, then offer the drive-train components either before or after the sale!
How's this scenario sound:
Say you happen to stumble onto my shop someday and inside sits a Kaizo R34 GTR body sitting there, with no drive-train components (literally only a body, with an interior in it), and it was offered for sale. Lets then say after a lengthy discussion on how the Kaizo process works you and I agree on a price and you purchase it. In addition to getting an MSO (Manufacturers Statement of Origin) from Kaizo Japan, you also receive documentation showing its importation records and history.
Next you make arrangements to have the Kaizo Body towed to your home, where you start the search for a drive-train. Lets say you then locate a Nissan RB26 drive-train on ebay, that you purchase and either install yourself into the body or have it professionally installed.
Next you contact your States DMV office and get the car titled and registered in your state as either a specially constructed car or kit car, just like all the Nobles or Cobra kits out there.
This scenario is usually how a Kaizo Body is acquired. How does this scenario in any way appear to attempt to circumvent the importation laws or EPA laws? You didn't import the body yourself. You didn't fly to Japan and pick out the car yourself. You didn't arrange to locate the original drive-train, then import it yourself. The body came to be here in the USA lawfully. You have proof of legal importation and proof of purchase for parts and construction.
The people who protest the Kit car process not being legal, are likely forming their opinion based on all those Nissan Skylines that have come to be here questionably. I can appreciate their doubt, but get frustrated in their eagerness to scare the crap out of everyone without giving more thought to this process and how the law is actually written.
Your vehicle, like my own is titled and branded as a Kaizo Kit, with the Kaizo 17 character VIN. The labels on the car state that it was re-manufactured and sold as a rolling uni-body. If any governmental agency wants to question the legality of how the cars came to be here, then we have a well documented history of that, along with the law itself on our side!
On a side note, my White GTT Widebody car is getting a new drive-train installed next week! The RB25 is actually a temporary drive-train. I'm having a new LS2 GM 425HP V-8 installed, along with a 6 speed gearbox out of 2006 Pontiac GTO. This should certainly shut those naysayers up who have any doubts about Kaizo's being Kit cars! I plan on promoting the crap out of the car once it's completed, so it will be interesting to see what the forum chat will say about Kaizo then!
Talk to you soon Rich, see you on Jspec!
Daryl
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Posted by: MostH8D at 11:01 PM 7/3/2008
Hi Rich,
I totally understand and can appreciate your concern. In the last few days we have received numerous calls from people who have purchased JDM Skylines here in the US and want help in turning their cars into Kaizo's. It's been exhausting having to tell these guys there's nothing we can do for them.
The important thing you need to remember about the car you purchased, is this!
1. The body went through a re-manufacturing process in Japan and was shipped into the USA lawfully under the provision of an "assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items"! Prior to leaving Japan, the body received modifications as well as a 17 character VIN and other badging indicating that it was a re-manufactured Uni-Body kit. There was no drive-train components in the car body as well as no headlights, taillights, fluids or seat-belts. All the other items in the assemblage (such as Glazing and Brake components were confirmed to be complaint to FMVSS standards prior to shipping.
2. Once the body arrived here to the USA and duties were paid on it, it was then placed for sale where it was purchased by Just Driven, the company that works with Universal Picture Cars. Just Driven located and purchased a drive-train to install in the car, along with all the other components needed to make the car available for the Studios to use the vehicle for the Fast and Furious 4 Movie. Once they were finished with the vehicle, you purchased it.
3. I have in my possession, copies of the original bill of lading and customs clearance papers indicating the car body being imported into the USA lawfully. Also in my possession is the original invoice received from Quick Garage Inc. (Company in Japan who owns Kaizo Japan) to Just Driven. I also have copies of receipts for the drive-train, along with copies of the receipts for the drive-train installation as well.
I know the language of the law is somewhat confusing, but please know, that I only offer for sale just car bodies and that you were fortunate to buy one from a company that had already completed one. I normally would never have anything to do with a sale of a completed Kaizo car, it just worked out that way, since I'm working so closely with the studio and knew they were finished with the use of the car you purchased. So, please try to understand that I only offer for sale Kit bodies and not complete cars! I don't want someone getting the wrong idea that I'm in the business of selling completed cars, because that's not what we do.
These other cars you're hearing about, appear to be involved in a larger investigation. It sounds to me like the person or persons who imported them, may have misrepresented them at time of importation and likely did not import them as parts. Don't forget that these cars were registered and titled as Nissan Skylines utilizing their original JDM VIN's, which is part of the problem.
Your car and the other Kaizo cars that are titled are titled as Kaizo's and branded as "kits" or "assembled from parts". Which is the proper way to title them.
Here's some important information that may help clear things up:
EPA states the following:
"The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered "motor vehicles" under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies. A motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body."
"The production, sale and importation of vehicle parts (engines, transmissions, chassis, vehicle bodies, etc.) are not regulated by EPA because parts are not considered motor vehicles under the Clean Air Act. However if the parts constitute a disassembled vehicle or an approximate disassembled vehicle, the combination is considered a motor vehicle under the Clean Air Act. Any attempt to use this policy to circumvent the Clean Air Act or the Imports regulations will be considered a violation of the Clean Air Act and will be strictly enforced.
NHTSA states the following:
"10. Importing a disassembled vehicle.
A disassembled vehicle that is shipped without an engine and transmission is treated for importation purposes not as a motor vehicle, but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. Such an assemblage can lawfully be imported into the U.S., provided any equipment included in the assemblage that is subject to FMVSS, but was not originally manufactured to comply with that FMVSS or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, is removed from the assemblage prior to entry into the U.S. Equipment items that are subject to the FMVSS include tires, rims, brake hoses, brake fluid, seat belt assemblies, glazing materials, and lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment."
See more here:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/...55977
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/imports/kitcar.htm
Rich, I hope this helps! Feel free to call if you have more questions.
Talk to you soon,
Daryl
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Posted by: MostH8D at 11:02 PM 7/3/2008
also the Ruf, Gemballa and dont forget Noble arguments are very valid when considering this.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 5:31 AM 7/4/2008
Ok, so what I am gathering is, if someone buys a rolling chassis from Kaizo, it's fully leagal, as the car was imported sans drive-train and the non conforming parts were changed to parts that did conform to the FMVSS standards, which allows the car to be brought in legally.
Now, once that car is sold, it is technically out of Kaizo's hands, as they should have disclosed all the information.
Then, after the buyer locates an engine and drive-train, say an RB26 for arguments sake, won't there be any problems? Or are kit cars smog exempt?
Again, I thank you for the information. If I have time, I'd like to call Daryl and chat with him and get the skinny on all of this, cause if it's true, this could be the way for you U.S. guys to finally get a legal "Skyline".
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: the converted at 6:29 AM 7/4/2008
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Yes, they are. By definition, it'll be a new (2008) car. As such, it has to comply with FVMSS. The others do because they're new engineering and design, not tired outdated technology. Yeah. Let me scrounge it back up. I was doing this on my laptop earlier and saved the link on the desktop... I'm a doof. |
Greg, kit cars don't have to meet any safety standards other than the headlights brakes and other basic stuff like that. I've been doing a lot of research for the car I'm going to be building and somehow this seems to fit into exactly the same category as the companies that sell pre-made frames.
As long as these shells have a US VIN and the titles don't say skyline I think a loop hole has been found, at least for now.
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Posted by: MostH8D at 7:12 AM 7/4/2008
OK, so what of the part of the law that states a kit car cannot have ever been mass-produced? Do we just chalk that one up to semantics?
Other than that, I think we're looking btter and better!
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: AZhitman at 12:53 AM 7/7/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
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Why does one say "drivetrain delete" and the other list an engine?
Can't be a kit car with a Kaizo VIN if it's designating the engine, can it? What if I bought that car and dropped an LS3 in it?
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Posted by: MostH8D at 4:05 AM 7/7/2008
daryl is in the process of taking akaizo r34 GTT and droping an ls1 or 2 in it. it looks just like my r34 gtr but has a full widebody kit on it. he's going to use it to promote the kaizo kit cars like crazy when its done to show that yu can drop anything you want in it. email him for more info or hit up his website he or casey can tell you everything you want to know.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 8:50 AM 7/21/2008
As soon as you add a gtr drive-train to the kazio kit unibody (or any body for that matter) your breaking the law, regardless of emission regulations.
It shouldn’t matter if your adding the GTR drive-train to a mustang, you would be still breaking the law I’m sure.
So, how do you claim your 100% if you’re running your car with a motor set that was never approved by the epa? I’m sure this is some type of grey area still.
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Posted by: MostH8D at 7:17 AM 7/22/2008
what you are confusing is epa standards and the dot stuff.
i know in the epa portion it talks about circumventing the kit car regs by importing as parts and reassembling but what you are confusing is epa standards.
i'd bet that half the cars on this forum dont meet epa standards and they were built here. no catalytic conveter....fail...
see? you can get waivers for epa, even in cali or you can just live in a state where they dont smog.
they may have minced their words a little if that is a direct quote from the site, but i think they are implying that its legal to own in this fashion because you are not circumventing kit car laws.
if you change your air intake and there is not CARB for it its illegal. if you dont have OBDII in most states that smog, its illegal.
its apples and oranges that you are looking at...2 diffferent things if that makes any sense.
in effect they are saying you can buy this car and put in anything you want to power it and make it go and the feds cant take this away from you because it was an illegal import.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 8:11 AM 7/22/2008
GTR drive-train, is an unregulated drive-train that was never approved by the epa... there for is illegal to run in all 50 states... it would be illegally ran even if you hooked it up to a lawnmower.
I understand that most people break epa laws without even knowing they did... but that’s not my point....
GTR drive-train was never approved by epa to be ran in the US period.
besides the ones that were approved i.e. motorex.
Now, if you ran a epa approved motor like a LS1 in a kazio chassis... you'll have a 100% legal car, this is not that same as running a GTR drive-train in a kazio chassis. 
Modified by Evo_bill at 9:26 AM 7/22/2008
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Posted by: greatgonzer at 9:34 AM 7/22/2008
VIN = Vehicle Identification Number.
By definition, "vehicle" requires an engine.
Therefore, the car must have an engine to be eligible for a VIN.
This is where I'm at a loss. Other than that, it looks like a good way to get around some of the retarded restrictions.
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 7:02 PM 7/22/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Evo_bill » |
| kazio kit is a legal dot chassis.... I don’t have issues with this... GTR drive-train, is an unregulated drive-train that was never approved by the epa... there for is illegal to run in all 50 states... it would be illegally ran even if you hooked it up to a lawnmower. I understand that most people break epa laws without even knowing they did... but that’s not my point.... GTR drive-train was never approved by epa to be ran in the US period. besides the ones that were approved i.e. motorex. Now, if you ran a epa approved motor like a LS1 in a kazio chassis... you'll have a 100% legal car, this is not that same as running a GTR drive-train in a kazio chassis.
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Posted by: MostH8D at 12:26 AM 7/23/2008
instead of debate it amongst yourselfs with pure speculation. just get on jspecconnect and chat with casey or daryl. you guys are intpreting things all differently.
show me where it says its illegal to have an RB26dett in a car? i want document number and paragraph number.
vin does not have to have and engine by definition. what document says that? what page?
you see what i am getting at. you all are speculating this and should really have it explained by the guys that are doing it.
and i assume when you say drive train you are meaning the engine? i dont think the transmission is included in the epa laws is it?
evo bill...running an rb is just like running a modified us spec engine that doesnt meet federal standards. there is no difference. if there is, i'd like you to show me where it says there is a difference. speculation?
when you hear it from daryl and casey they can make this all make sense. they can put it in layman's terms. none of us here are experts or lawyers as far as i know. let the guys that do this for a living explain it.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 6:12 AM 7/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Evo_bill » |
| either way this isn't worth debating... it all comes down to who get "caught", I'm 100% sure everyone here has a vehical that is breaking atleast 1 federal or state law. Some people here have US spec cars that are breaking more laws then people that have grey gtr here are. So, like I said... this isn't worth debating.... the fed "could" show up at any ones of our houses and take and crush our car for one reason or another reguardless of JDM or USDM. |
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| Thank you for acknowledging my post where I just contradicted your previous statement (with proof) that the RB26 is an illegal engine. |
I still think using the rb26 on public road is violating some federal/state laws, especially in stock form. Call it contradicted, I don’t really care...
Either way this isn't worth debating over as most people here are epa/state law offenders anyways.
people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones....
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 6:16 PM 7/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
you see what i am getting at. you all are speculating this and should really have it explained by the guys that are doing it. when you hear it from daryl and casey they can make this all make sense. they can put it in layman's terms. none of us here are experts or lawyers as far as i know. let the guys that do this for a living explain it. |
What we need is for these guys to get on here and put this issue to rest. There are too many "what ifs" that need to be addressed, and these two seem to be the ones to do it.
Talk to them and see if you can get them to register here and come in and explain it to us, in "laymans" terms.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 6:40 PM 7/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
What we need is for these guys to get on here and put this issue to rest. There are too many "what ifs" that need to be addressed, and these two seem to be the ones to do it. Talk to them and see if you can get them to register here and come in and explain it to us, in "laymans" terms. |
At this point this it should be common knowledge that their is no issue with a Kazio GTR... its perfectly legal.
the problem lies with when their customer add an RB motor to the chassis.
Its not so much because now you have nissan GTR, but that your using a motor on public roads that was never approved by federal/state officials.
which it seems some people here claim that the rb was magically waived...
the only thing I've ever heard of the epa waiving rb's was with motorex, inwhich the owners had to have all kinds of custom cats, sensor, and filters added on their dime.
ultimately every one here breaks the same laws as someone driving a car with an rb, so we shouldn't be discussing this.
someone should lock this thread.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: AZhitman at 7:40 PM 7/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
instead of debate it amongst yourselfs with pure speculation. just get on jspecconnect and chat with casey or daryl. you guys are intpreting things all differently. show me where it says its illegal to have an RB26dett in a car? i want document number and paragraph number. vin does not have to have and engine by definition. what document says that? what page? |
Speculation?
Brother, you're confused. Just because someone has a business selling car parts does NOT make them an "expert".
Daryl's more than welcome to get on here and answer all the questions we've asked... Instead, we have people such as yourself CLAIMING to know better than those of us who have researched this ad nauseum.
VEHICLE ELIGIBILITY
In determining whether a vehicle is eligible for importation for show or display, NHTSA will consider the following factors, among others:
1. Whether a vehicle of the same make, model, and model year was manufactured and certified for sale in the United States.
2. Whether a vehicle of the same make, model, and model year has been determined eligible for importation pursuant to 49 CFR Part 593.
3. Whether the vehicle is currently in production.
4. Whether more than 500 of the vehicles were produced.
5. Whether the vehicle is a kit car, replica, or special construction vehicle.
If the answer to any of the above is affirmative, you should NOT expect NHTSA to grant permission for importation. If the answer to item 4 is affirmative, the applicant must establish that the vehicle is of exceptional technological and/or historical significance.
An RB26DETT is not to my knowledge an OBD-II engine. Therefore, it's not emissions-legal. These cars are titled as 2008 model-year cars, right? Therefore, without an emissions exemption, the RB is out.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules...26714
§565.5 Motor vehicles imported into the United States.
(a) Importers shall utilize the VIN assigned by the original manufacturer of the motor vehicle.
Of course, this appears to be one part they can skip, since they're supposedly a "manufacturer"... But even that is up for debate as 90+% of the chassis / frame is Nissan componentry.
§565.4 General requirements.
(a) Each vehicle manufactured in one stage shall have a VIN that is assigned by the manufacturer. Each vehicle manufactured in more than one stage shall have a VIN assigned by the incomplete vehicle manufacturer. Vehicle alterers, as specified in 49 CFR 567.7, shall utilize the VIN assigned by the original manufacturer of the vehicle.
Not sure how this applies, but it's certainly relevant.
From the EPA:
"The production, sale and importation of automotive bodies alone (i.e., no chassis, engine or transmission) are not regulated by EPA since such units are not considered 'motor vehicles' under the Clean Air Act. EPA form 3520-1 is not required for imported automotive bodies. A motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body."
OK, now we're getting somewhere - But that doesn't satisfy FVMSS, just EPA.
As far as I know, Kaizo is not an RI, which may create some additional headaches.
"If a vehicle is shipped without its engine and drive train, it would be treated, for importation purposes, not as a motor vehicle but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items."
Hence, my question as to how a vehicle can get a VIN without a drivetrain.
No more nut-swingers and wannabes need rtespond, unless you have concrete evidence to the contrary.
I'd like to hear from Kaizo. The burden of proof is on Kaizo Industries, and if they can answer these questions, then I'll STFU and applaud their efforts.
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Posted by: MostH8D at 10:56 PM 7/23/2008
i asked questions. like you said, proof is in the pudding. but let me ask you. are you a lawyer? do you specialize in automotive law and importation?
so you quoted a paragraph. what is the legal interpretation of the paragraph? you got one?
im sure dayl and casey have had legal advisement on this. have you? where does your expertise come in? are you an RI? can you comment on this then? how many unibodies have you brought through customs?
unless you can answer any of those question then that is speculation.
an rb26 is just as illegal as an evo with an AEM EM. that has no OBDII.
what you failed to show was that the engine itself was illegal. it does not meet fed standards like many of the engines that have mods dont. many evos retain their stock ecus so they have OBDII but that by no means still means they meet EPA reqt nec. what did your quoted paragraph prove to me. nothing, unless there is a legal inpretation that accurately states the RB26 is illegal.
so ban me or do whatever because obviously in your wisdom im a nut swinger and you have infinite legal knowledge on all matters in quoted paragraphs. good job. instead of doubting kaizo and hoping for them to descend on this forum like the second coming of christ to enlighten you all. why dont you make the effort of talking to them instead of wasting your time quoting paragraphs you dont know the meaning of so you apply your interpretation.
good day.
and by the way look in your own post for this.
...a motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body....
hence your VIN on the kaizo. you dont even read your own quoted jibberish you claim to understand so well.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 6:54 AM 7/24/2008
Mosth8d, you just don't get it....Evo with motor modifications automatically fails fed/state laws
RB powered car automatically fails fed/state laws
Most motor mods automatically fails fed/state laws (common knowledge, hence why aftermarket performance parts have "for off road use only" all over the packaging)
What’s the difference?
Stop trying to push the point that a modded evo and Rb's are legal on public roads neither one is!
Modified by Evo_bill at 9:17 AM 7/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: Eikon at 7:17 AM 7/24/2008
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Posted by: MostH8D at 10:16 AM 7/24/2008
there are many other skyline forums and appearantly with more info than this where the biggest topic of discussion is speculation of importation laws.
i also like that fact too.
ban me.
should read ....isnt speculation...
Modified by MostH8D at 9:55 PM 7/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: MostH8D at 10:23 AM 7/24/2008
your point you were trying to make so emphatically was that rb's make the feds seize your car. my point was that there is no difference between a modded engine and an rb....they are both illegal for the same reason. i was trying to get you to see that by asking you to show where the rb specifically outlawed. thank you for pointing out how i dont get it. you rock. you bell end.
| Quote, originally posted by Evo_bill » |
| Mosth8d, you just don't get it.... Evo with motor modifications automatically fails fed/state laws What’s the difference? Stop trying to push the point that a modded evo and Rb's are legal on public roads neither one is!
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| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
| there are many other skyline forums and appearantly with more info than this where the biggest topic of discussion is speculation of importation laws. |
QFT.
Post Title: Re: (dj_hype)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 12:04 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by dj_hype » |
QFT. |
? Quality **** Tard?
Oh and, mosth8d once again... this isn't worth arguing over...
By asking me "to show where the rb specifically outlawed." has really no relevance to the topic. People here are trying to disprove people's claims about a kazio gtr with an RB is legal… which you, yourself pointed out its not.
have a nice day
please someone lock this thead.
Modified by Evo_bill at 1:09 PM 7/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: Vandrel at 1:00 PM 7/24/2008
This thread took a 180 deg turn
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: AZhitman at 1:15 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
| ...a motor vehicle from which the engine has been removed is still a motor vehicle and is not considered a body.... |
...and Kaizo says they're importing bodies. Not "motor vehicles".
Trust me, Princess, I comprehend this stuff completely.
Why in the world would I call these guys and ask a bunch of questions, when we're ALL OVER Google when you query their name?
The burden of proof is on them, not me.
You ARE correct on the engine issue as it relates to legality - Hell, out of my 9 vehicles, 2/3 of them are "illegal" under the hood. That doesn't help the RB guys, is all I'm saying.
BTW, you never know when "Cock-face" might see you out and about someday and teach you some manners. Be nice.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 3:01 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
I'd like to hear from Kaizo. The burden of proof is on Kaizo Industries, and if they can answer these questions, then I'll STFU and applaud their efforts. |
If I put together a Cobra kit car in this coming month, with a freshly purchased put together with a polluting-like-crazy, 427cid catless carbureted crate engine, is it illegal since it does not have a OBD-II system on a "2008 model" vehicle? And if so, how are people building, titling, registering, and driving them every single f*cking day??? I think that's a question of equal validity.
Post Title: Re: (SamuraiSam)
Posted by: Eikon at 3:11 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| Seeing as how you are demanding an answer from Kaizo, I'll assume that you have contacted Kaizo or Jspec connect, posted on their forums, and/or asked them to come to this forum to answer questions? If I put together a Cobra kit car in this coming month, with a freshly purchased put together with a polluting-like-crazy, 427cid catless carbureted crate engine, is it illegal since it does not have a OBD-II system on a "2008 model" vehicle? And if so, how are people building, titling, registering, and driving them every single f*cking day??? I think that's a question of equal validity. |
My understanding is that most kit cars are OK because they are not based on a vehicle that was mass produced. If they are replica or recreation of vehicles that were mass produced, they have to be vehicles that were legal for the USDM. The Skyline was not legal for the US market, thus any kit car that uses the chassis from that vehicle is not legal.
Am I incorrect in this statement?
Post Title: Re: (Eikon)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 4:03 PM 7/24/2008
Modified by bnr32gtr at 6:10 PM 7/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (bnr32gtr)
Posted by: Vandrel at 4:16 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by bnr32gtr » |
| so kaizo is considering them as a manufacture with NHTSA? they dont come up on here |
Think it's remanufacture for them and I don't beleive that would show up there
Post Title: Re: (bnr32gtr)
Posted by: Evo_bill at 4:19 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by bnr32gtr » |
| so kaizo is considering them as a manufacture with NHTSA? they dont come up on here |
lol sorry... sorry guy... that was too good.
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: Marenta at 4:59 PM 7/24/2008
I am still trying to dig up the technicalities in the CFRs about if a car is still the same manufacture once it has been disassembled, stripped, modified severely (we'll just say that Kaizo actually modifies it enough to make it actually a whole new car, in fact) that it might make it, indeed, a whole new car. I am actually trying to find something somewhere about this, but my endeavors are finding nothing, although I have gotten the info about the Shelby and the Unique Motorcars/Performance people from a KitCar fanclub out of Colorado. Apparently, it just happened this year, too. Perhaps we can find some legal dictates on that? Collective thoughts?
[Edit:
http://findarticles.com/p/arti...98176
http://jalopnik.com/359986/uni...bondo
http://www.mustangblog.com/ind...s-all/
Here are the 3 articles I read about it.. I've been trying to find something on Texas lemon laws, but nothing as of yet.
end]
Modified by Marenta at 8:04 PM 7/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 6:12 PM 7/24/2008
At least, I think I found it. Perhaps somebody can translate it for me.. it is 11 at night.
49 § CFR 567.5
The preceding statement shall be used only in cases in which the final-stage manufacturer has:
(A) Not affected conformity to standards compliance with which has been fully certified by a chassis-cab manufacturer pursuant to paragraph (a)(1) of this section or by an intermediate manufacturer pursuant to paragraphs (b)(1)(i) or (b)(1)(ii) of this section, and (B) has completed the vehicle in accordance with the prior manufacturer's instructions in regard to standards listed, as appropriate, in a chassis-cab manufacturer's conditional statement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section or in an intermediate manufacturer's conditional statement under paragraph (b)(2) of this section. The date shown in the third sentence of the statement shall be not earlier than the manufacturing date of the incomplete vehicle, and not later than the date of completion of final-stage manufacture.
(ii) “Conformity of the chassis-cab to Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards Nos. –––––– has not been affected by final stage manufacture. With respect to Standards Nos. ______, the vehicle has been completed in accordance with the prior manufacturer's instructions. This vehicle conforms to all other applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in effect in (month, year).”
The first sentence of the preceding statement shall be completed by inserting the numbers of all or less than all of the standards, and only those standards, respecting which the latest prior certification statement was made by a chassis-cab manufacturer pursuant to paragraph (a)(1) of this section or by an intermediate manufacturer pursuant to paragraphs (b)(1)(i) or (b)(1)(ii) of this section. The second sentence of the statement shall be completed by inserting the numbers of all or less than all of the standards and only those standards, respecting which the latest prior certification statement was a chassis-cab manufacturer's conditional statement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section or an intermediate manufacturer's conditional statement under paragraph (b)(2) of this section. The date shown in the third sentence of the statement shall be not earlier than the manufacturing date of the incomplete vehicle, and not later than the date of completion of final-stage manufacture.
(iii) “This vehicle conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in effect in (month, year).”
The date shown shall be not earlier than the manufacturing date of the incomplete vehicle and not later than the date of completion of final-stage manufacture.
(8) Vehicle identification number.
(9) The type classification of the vehicle as defined in §571.3 of Title 49 of the CFR (e.g., truck, MPV, bus, trailer).
(d) More than one set of figures for GVWR and GAWR, and one or more tire sizes, may be listed in satisfaction of the requirements of paragraphs (c) (5) and (6) of this section, as provided in §567.4(h).
(e) If an incomplete vehicle manufacturer assumes legal responsibility for all duties and liabilities imposed by the Act, with respect to the vehicle as finally manufactured, the incomplete vehicle manufacturer shall ensure that a label is affixed to the final vehicle in conformity with paragraph (c) of this section, except that the name of the incomplete vehicle manufacturer shall appear instead of the name of the final-stage manufacturer after the words “MANUFACTURED BY” or “MFD BY” required by paragraph (c)(1) of this section, the additional manufacturer's name required by paragraph (c)(3) of this section shall be omitted, and the date required by paragraph (c)(4) of this section shall be preceded by the words “INCOMPLETE VEHICLE MANUFACTURED” or “INC VEH MFD.”
(f) If an intermediate manufacturer of a vehicle assumes legal responsibility for all duties and liabilities imposed on manufacturers by the Act, with respect to the vehicle as finally manufactured, the intermediate manufacturer shall ensure that a label is affixed to the final vehicle in conformity with paragraph (c) of this section, except that the name of the intermediate manufacturer shall appear instead of the name of the final-stage manufacturer after the words “MANUFACTURED BY” or “MFD BY” required by paragraph (c)(1) of this section.
All this says to me is that Nissan can legally come by and claim the vehicle, I think, right? Or, am I just tired?
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 8:52 PM 7/24/2008
This is a vehicle that is say, "1/2" built" by the original [Partial Vehicle] manufacturer for use as a tow truck or dump truck, RV et cetera and then is sold to a secondary "completion" [final-stage / intermediate] manufacturer before being sold to an end-user.
Modified by SamuraiSam at 11:00 PM 11/19/2008
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: MostH8D at 9:39 PM 7/24/2008
once again, nice interpretation of that law. where did you get your law degree again? still no answer. what is your degree in? be honest.
what is it you do for a living? 41k posts?? hmmm....
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
...and Kaizo says they're importing bodies. Not "motor vehicles". Trust me, Princess, I comprehend this stuff completely. Why in the world would I call these guys and ask a bunch of questions, when we're ALL OVER Google when you query their name? The burden of proof is on them, not me. You ARE correct on the engine issue as it relates to legality - Hell, out of my 9 vehicles, 2/3 of them are "illegal" under the hood. That doesn't help the RB guys, is all I'm saying. BTW, you never know when "Cock-face" might see you out and about someday and teach you some manners. |
Post Title: Re: (Evo_bill)
Posted by: MostH8D at 9:50 PM 7/24/2008
they remanufacture the vehicle and issue an MSO with it.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: jbracy7 at 10:08 PM 7/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
| wow. you are such a tuff guy. since you know who i am and all when you run into me im sure you will recognize me. and teach me manners. once again, nice interpretation of that law. where did you get your law degree again? still no answer. what is your degree in? be honest. what is it you do for a living? 41k posts?? hmmm.... |
are you retarded or dropped on your head alot when your a kid. BEFORE you post do research. stop making nico a place for Ehaters like your self. this topic is about importing Gt-r's not IM Mr. Tuff guy typing on a keyboard.
Post Title: Re: (Ghost518)
Posted by: Vandrel at 12:10 AM 7/25/2008
H8, I advise you to adjust yourself. He has 41K posts because he owns the place. If you turn into a cancer I'll just excise you. 
Post Title: Re: (Ghost518)
Posted by: MostH8D at 12:21 AM 7/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
| ban me. |
Because, that's, in essence, what Kaizo is doing, and that's what Unique Performance was doing. And if Unique Performance was doing it illegally, where's it written? I haven't found it anywhere, yet. I want to see proof.
Post Title: Re: (MostH8D)
Posted by: WDRacing at 6:23 AM 7/25/2008
So I think we need to be nice and treat shim as we'd treat any other person with a serious handicap
WD
Post Title: Re: (WDRacing)
Posted by: rn79870 at 6:43 AM 7/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by WDRacing » |
| In case any of you guys were wondering, I ran a background check on Mr H8er here and it turned up some really odd facts. First off...he was actually born as a female and later had a operation that only partially took. So he is now...for lack of a better term...a shim. I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons he's so confused and suffers from mood swings, testosterone and estrogen appear to be uncontrolled and unchecked by the proper meds. So I think we need to be nice and treat shim as we'd treat any other person with a serious handicap WD |
Its post like this that really makes this forum have the bad rep that it does. I chat on a couple different forums and this one could be a good one if people don't make comments like the one above. Lets get back to talking about FACTS.
$0.02
Post Title: Re: (Unstroked)
Posted by: Sentientbydesign at 9:22 PM 7/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Unstroked » |
Its post like this that really makes this forum have the bad rep that it does. I chat on a couple different forums and this one could be a good one if people don't make comments like the one above. Lets get back to talking about FACTS. $0.02 |
The FACT is that this guy stepped WAY out of line speaking to anyone that way...especially staff...especially the site owner. Since we're talking about FACTS.
I have yet to see a better forum than NICO. The staff and contributing members kick *** and are always lending a helpful hand (fingers lol).
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Posted by: Twin_40's at 12:28 PM 7/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Sentientbydesign » |
The FACT is that this guy stepped WAY out of line speaking to anyone that way...especially staff...especially the site owner. Since we're talking about FACTS. I have yet to see a better forum than NICO. The staff and contributing members kick *** and are always lending a helpful hand (fingers lol). |
That goes both ways though, a lot of these "facts" and hard evidence is posted by people who have first hand experience with it. There is a number of biased people on this site so getting things through to those few is no easy task and often results in a thread like this.
Post Title: Re: (Twin_40's)
Posted by: Marenta at 2:48 PM 7/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by MostH8D » |
| if you would have read acouple of posts up he's the tuff guy who levied the E-threat to me. youre the retard. thanks for playing. |
Feel free to back up your mouth then, Sunshine.
As I recall, you're the douchenozzle who levied the term "cock-face" just because I didnt fall for your nutswinging.
I'm not gonna go chasing these guys around begging for an explanation of what they're doing.
It'd be in their best interests as a business to have us supporting them. If they choose not to respond to the legitimate questions as to the legality of what they do, then the "speculation" will continue.
Don't fret about what I do for a living, son. It's far from relevant to this discussion. But you'll not come into my place of business and start spouting off without getting checked - that's just the way it works.
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 3:19 PM 7/26/2008
Fast4wheel comments from me.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 3:27 PM 7/26/2008
Let's all take a step back and look at what the discussion in this thread was initially about, and where it's moved into - Namely, the current claims by Kaizo and whether they are indeed legit.
Again, I don't personally have an issue with it, because I think the importation restrictions are mostly retarded bureaucratic power trips.
The difference is, I'm actually INVOLVED in helping press for legislative changes and protection of the enthusiasts who enjoy this hobby, through my membership in SEMA, the Sport Compact Council, and the Political Action Committee.
I'v got NO problem if one of the company reps rolls through here and drops some education on us. I DO take issue with someone who's unaffiliated with the company spouting misinformation when we've researched this topic for years, and then calls US "speculators".
Either you're an expert and have additional information that we DON'T have, OR you're simply guessing and trying to muddy the waters (in which case, you have NO place trying to argue, because you're not bringing anything NEW to the table).
Carry on, Gents.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Marenta at 6:15 PM 7/26/2008
And the other thing that I believe makes a Kaizo illegal by US standards is the fact that once the vehicle has been mass produced and stamped with a VIN from the original maker, the VIN cannot be removed, and therefore must be used. So, if you were to tear the car apart, and alter it in any way/shape/form, even if you were to just rebuild the chassis into a porch swing and sell it as a kit, it would have to keep the original VIN. But, the CFR that governs this is so vague, or indirect. Although, it does mention something about changing the weight of the vehicle, you must keep the old VIN but add a sticker as long as it conforms with standards 567.4 and 567.5 and had been certified in those standards.
I'm about ready to make a list of numbers to call and start talking to people. If the JDM Skylines never met US standards for VIN markings, then Kaizo legally has the right to register with SAE, put a 17 digit VIN on the car, ship it to the US as a kit and let us play with it as a beer pong table if we want to.
Post Title: Re: (Vandrel)
Posted by: Hype at 2:48 PM 7/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » |
That goes both ways though, a lot of these "facts" and hard evidence is posted by people who have first hand experience with it. There is a number of biased people on this site so getting things through to those few is no easy task and often results in a thread like this. |
That bias is not unfounded though. We've all heard stories of people dropping 40,000 bones (or more) only to have their car seized by the authorities. Motorex was the only source for legal cars and they went and ruined the chance for future importers. Through the years on this forum, various parties have claimed to have found ways to register Skylines, and some took the plunge and paid the price...
For as hard of a time you're getting from some, if this works out to be a viable option I'm sure NICO will give support worth TENFOLD of this "bias"
Post Title: Re: (Hype)
Posted by: Marenta at 8:49 PM 7/28/2008
Hi Deidra,
We have no problem answering questions. The answers to your two questions are actually pretty simple.
Number one is that the Kaizo Industries VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) is just a body number. It is not a recognized United States VIN number. A lot of times when people register our bodies using the MSO, their particular state will assign the car a VIN number. So Kaizo is not a manufacturer and that is why we don't and can't provide drivetrains with the unibodies.
For question number two, the unibodies that we offer where never produced for the US market and thus the VIN numbers assigned to them don't have any real significance here. For example to register a Kaizo Kit Car here in California, you have to apply for one of the 500 Kit Exemptions. When you do that you have to see a smog referee to verify how your vehicle will be classified on the title and registration. You have the choice of using the body or engine year of your car. But for a Kaizo car neither the body or the engine family are recognized in the US market so the referee assigns the default 1960 year and SPCN make (for specially constructed).
Also remember that you will not have to worry about retrofitting OBD II to our unibodies because we are NOT selling Motor vehicles that have to be federalized. Our unibodies are meant to be assembled by whoever buys the unibody from us and registered as a specially constructed / home built / kit vehicle. These vehicles follow a specific set of rules different from federalized motor vehicles.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks,
Casey
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:54 PM 7/28/2008
Kinda contradicts some of what we'd heard previously, and pretty much assusres that none of these will make it to CA.
All 500 kit car exemptions for the year are gone within an hour of opening up the line. Been that way for years.
Maybe now I'll hit up Casey for an R34 chassis for my VH or LS swap.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Koshin at 9:02 PM 7/28/2008
http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/t....html
More specifically 567.7, it states that it has to meet 567.4 and 567.5 for it to be counted as a VIN. My guess is that most DMVs in states will use the K16 series that Kaizo uses as a serial for the VIN since it's already there.
I think that with enough digging, we've just proven that Kaizos are legal. The VIN was the only legality that was the hold up that I found, and Casey answered that question for me. So, I'm square. Guess I'm getting a unibody.
[Edit:
If you need to get information about Kaizo or the legalities, feel free to contact Casey at casey@jspecconnect.com. He and the entire jspec team are more than happy to assist you, normally.]
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: USsil80 at 10:11 PM 7/28/2008
That's one site that sells Kaizo cars fully made.. and..
http://www.fast4wheels.com/jdm.php
There's another.
If you want a Kaizo unibody, you have to contact Daryl or Casey about it, and they'll do all the contacting for you. Kaizo's site is in interim now, it's not really fully functional. Although, I agree, they should get it up and running soon. I did see a good price list on http://www.jspecconnect.com for their unibodies in the forums somewhere, though.
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: USsil80 at 10:29 PM 7/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by USsil80 » |
| 80k..wow for a no engine car... seems a little high... don't know .. want a 32 or 33 though... |
That's a fully built Kaizo. It has an engine and everything. Both sites sell fully built Kaizos.
Post Title: Re: (Marenta)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 3:31 PM 7/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SamuraiSam » |
| Are you certain that fast4wheels sells Kaizo's? See my post at the top of this page (follow the link). Fast4 wheels sells cars titled as Nissans. |
If they are Nissans, and they don't come with the Bond from Motorex, or they're not the 96-98 R33, then they're not Federally Legal. Pretty much they have to be a Motorex car, or Kaizo. And, even as a Kaizo car, you better bet that if you live in California, you should title it outside of the state. Otherwise, assume it's a Gray Market car and it's no good.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 7:05 PM 7/29/2008
Ben discussed before.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Eikon at 7:20 PM 7/29/2008
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Posted by: Marenta at 7:37 PM 7/29/2008
R32's range from $20k - $30k
R33's range from $35k - $45k
R34's range from $55k - $65k
S15 Spec R is around $25k
They have a Evo 6.5 t.m.e. for $26,000 on http://www.socalevo.net
---> here is the link for it. http://www.socalevo.net/index....018.0
Good Luck to anyone that can afford one. I have my eyes on a S15 Spec R. We will see. I will keep you guys posted if I get one.
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Posted by: 3kgtslflip at 8:50 PM 8/21/2008
In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:24:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, george.lemmer@us.army.mil writes:
I have a question regarding the importation of a Nissan Skyline GTR. If the vehicle were produced between Jan 96-Jun 98, and is an R33, which makes it eligible for import as a non conforming vehicle can the appropiate safety modifications be made to bring the vehicle into compliance? Also, is it possible to bring the vehicle into OBDII emission compliance? If it were possible for the above modifications to be made is it possible to obtain an estimate on cost. Any help you can give is greatly appreciated. Also, I am currently overseas so email is the only way I can communicate if it would make this matter easier I can try to arrange a phone call. Thanks,
SGT Lemmer, George
Their reply:
25k plus parts for EPA and DOT. Parts are 10k and vehicle itself must have two functioning airbags prior to entry.
J.K. Technologies, LLC
3500 Sweet Air Street
Baltimore, MD 21211
(410) 366-6332
(410) 366-7655 (fax)
email: convert2us@aol.com
RI and ICI, licensed by DOT and EPA to bring vehicles into compliance with Federal Regulations and Standards.
Post Title: Re: (Don Quixote)
Posted by: Vandrel at 1:00 PM 8/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Don Quixote » |
| I sent an email to J.K. Technologies because I was curious if they could bring an R33 into complaince. I don't know that this will help anyone or not and its been posted before but I know there has been speculation as to whether anyone but MotoReX had the ability to bring the cars into compliance. I was interested in an up to date response. Oh and if anyone knows a place it can be done cheaper let me know, Thanks In a message dated 8/27/2008 7:24:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, george.lemmer@us.army.mil writes: SGT Lemmer, George Their reply: 25k plus parts for EPA and DOT. Parts are 10k and vehicle itself must have two functioning airbags prior to entry. RI and ICI, licensed by DOT and EPA to bring vehicles into compliance with Federal Regulations and Standards. |
A lot of people have contacted them over the years about this. JK is a very helpful and understanding company from my experiences and they were willing to help me out with one of my RX-7's to bring it into the U.S. several years back.
I'm sure if a customer went to them with a R33 they already owned and wanted to ship it to the U.S. along with all of the needed parts minus the OBDII and airbag that JK manufactures, they'd be willing to help and probably for cheaper then $35,000. However, their response in the email was not very specific. I would have asked them more specifc questions such as,
How much would you charge for bringing a 96-98 R33 into compliance?
How much would you charge to bring the vehicle into DOT compliance?
How much would you charge to bring the vehicle into EPA compliance?
Can I source the needed parts myself and provide them with the vehicle to be brought into complaince?
Addendum A lists the specifics what is needed to being these into compliance with the exception of the EPA modifications. It is not required that one specific company manufacture the needed parts, only that the parts are present and the modifications are made properly. This however does not include the airbag that is manufactured by JK, it is known that JK has the only authorized airbag modification available to be used. The EPA stuff is a different subject.
Also if you have a 96-98 R33 that does not have a passenger side airbag, you can easily obtain a new dash and airbag which does. But that is not often that you will find a 96-98 that doesn't have a passenger side bag.
Post Title: Re: (Vandrel)
Posted by: SamuraiSam at 2:17 PM 8/29/2008
So "Unstroked" said that the Silvia Spec R's were going for ~ 25K. If that is the case, it would be around $30K for a finished car if you do maybe half the work yourself, right?
Also, I am not sure if this has been gone over already, but do Kaizo cars come with full interiors?
Oh... and I've seen a few Kaizo Spec-R S15's floating around "Modifiedcars.com" for around $30,000. They definitely seem clean and legit. Oh and they're all white too.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (cvcdvr)
Posted by: JDMIMPORT at 4:04 PM 9/14/2008
http://losangeles.craigslist.o....html
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (JDMIMPORT)
Posted by: bnr32gtr at 5:13 PM 9/14/2008
| Quote, originally posted by phatjo911 » |
| So Kaizo IS LEGAL? Well if that is the case, there is a lot of false info flying around the other forums.... So "Unstroked" said that the Silvia Spec R's were going for ~ 25K. If that is the case, it would be around $30K for a finished car if you do maybe half the work yourself, right? Also, I am not sure if this has been gone over already, but do Kaizo cars come with full interiors? Oh... and I've seen a few Kaizo Spec-R S15's floating around "Modifiedcars.com" for around $30,000. They definitely seem clean and legit. Oh and they're all white too. |
Plenty of discussion on Kaizo here... Lots of reading to do.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:43 PM 9/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by celm » |
and also you have the brokeass bicths on nico club writing a importation write up. which was about 20% true and they submitted it to ebay,and you can find it under ebays review section |
I don't even know where to start with this thugtard... Sorry, Frank - Anytime you want to compare garages, let me know...
He's already been clowned beyond recognition and had nothing to respond with, so he's scurrying off to look for support elsewhere.
Hey Frank - When you write something that's as heavily linked as our importation article, let me know. When you can respond to all of the numerous holes we poked in your pathetic claims to be an "importer", let me know. And when you can keep a business running for longer than a few months, we'll consider you knowledgeable.
Last I heard from my buddies in Florida who know you, you were living with relatives and looking for a job. Brokeass.
p.s. "You weren't "band", you were "banned". Spelling, like importing, pwns you.
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Posted by: noobedloser at 10:42 PM 10/3/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ub3rvspecr34 » |
| well i would offer 90k for a motorex r34 skyline (pref blue)...if you know anyone that would be interested in that i can allways be contacted at 713-819-5745 or ryanmblair@gmail.com i would also be interested in a motorex r32 gtr gunmetal in good condition.....if i liked the r33 i would buy that silver one for sale on the forums..i just...it just...has no emotional tug like the r32 and r34 especially |
lol i just recently saw a r33 gt-r on sale in the ebay motors, it was only about $16,900, the guy lives in KENNESAW, GA and i really wanted to buy that ****, on ebay he even showed all the documents of the DOT NHTSA and certification of title, cause that car was from MotoRex too. Ive been meaning to call but i dont see it up in ebay motors anymore but you guys can try and it had about 17k miles
but since AZhitman doesnt like r33 i guess its up for grabs if they are still selling it. Its a shame CA sucks balls about having skylines.
Post Title: Re: (noobedloser)
Posted by: corzette at 7:05 AM 10/4/2008
Terry
Post Title: Re: (corzette)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 1:53 PM 10/4/2008
| Quote, originally posted by corzette » |
| I have a 4 door GC10 2000GT I brought back. It is in Texas while Im in Japan. Gonna either do an RB25 turbo or LS1 swap when I get back. I may even sell it if the price is right but they are so rare in the states I may just keep it. Prices are going up in Japan as well so I got it just in time. Got so many comments when I drove her, it was unreal. People knew it was in town before I did lol. Definately a chick magnet.... Terry |
Where in Japan are you located?
I live in Saitama ken and always down for meeting new people. Unfortunately, at the moment, I am without a drivers license till the 27th, but my sha-ken expires on the 9th and I don't have the cash to get it done yet.
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Posted by: noobedloser at 5:38 PM 10/5/2008
| Quote, originally posted by noobedloser » |
| i say a bunch of you guys from this forum meet together, start a business importing skylines into the US, and become RI's for people like us that want skylines. Also learn to mod the car to fit the federal and state standards, be approved by EPA, DOT and NHTSA. Pick a few states where skylines would be most wanted legally. |
That's easier said than done.
You have to get the NHTSA to allow the cars to be imported first before any of the above can even be really considered.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: noobedloser at 1:09 PM 10/7/2008
| Quote, originally posted by C33LaurelRacer » |
That's easier said than done. You have to get the NHTSA to allow the cars to be imported first before any of the above can even be really considered. |
well didnt they already allow the 96-98 r33? you can work your way up to import the r32s and r34s
Post Title: Re: (noobedloser)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 9:05 AM 10/8/2008
| Quote, originally posted by noobedloser » |
well didnt they already allow the 96-98 r33? you can work your way up to import the r32s and r34s |
Yes, the 96-98's are allowed, but the R32 and R34 have been banned. That's what I was talking about.
Post Title: Re: (C33LaurelRacer)
Posted by: noobedloser at 1:10 PM 10/8/2008
| Quote, originally posted by noobedloser » |
| i found a CA legal r32 and sent AZhitman all the info on that car for him to try and get it, i think of all people in the forums, if its 100% legal then he should get it, they also have another r33 700hp gt-r. |
For the price they're asking for that car, I can build 3 cars that will spank the stuffing outta that car.
Beautiful, but way overprced. Easily one of my favorite cars, but crazy spendy.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: noobedloser at 4:14 PM 11/6/2008
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
For the price they're asking for that car, I can build 3 cars that will spank the stuffing outta that car. Beautiful, but way overprced. Easily one of my favorite cars, but crazy spendy. |
i thought you would be willing to drop that much on the r32 or at least had enough for it. just trying to help you out on getting an state/federal legal r32. It is overpriced but you should try and negotiate cause i think all the amount of effort would probably amount to the price they ask, i think. IT ONLY HAS 35K MILES, so you can keep for a while. i say get it and enjoy the state legal gt-r r32 that i will be jealous to want.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (noobedloser)
Posted by: zdonner at 8:38 AM 11/24/2008
From nearly 4 months of trying I've managed to receive 2 e-mails from Casey inquiring about inventory and pricing though once something peaked my interest and I asked for pictures, well that was 2 weeks ago. Starting to wonder...
Sadly from what I've seen your just about was well off to purchase a MotoRex car if you can find one.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (zdonner)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 5:40 PM 11/24/2008
| Quote, originally posted by zdonner » |
| Any more info on Kaizo? From nearly 4 months of trying I've managed to receive 2 e-mails from Casey inquiring about inventory and pricing though once something peaked my interest and I asked for pictures, well that was 2 weeks ago. Starting to wonder... Sadly from what I've seen your just about was well off to purchase a MotoRex car if you can find one. |
Take a look at the last post in this thread (well, the last one as of right now...), this may answer your questions.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...35495
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Gold Digger)
Posted by: geaziS14 at 8:53 AM 12/10/2008
Adrienne
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Posted by: AZhitman at 8:02 PM 12/17/2008
You're confused because you didn't read the entire article.
Welcome aboard!
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: usmctankmech at 5:56 AM 1/7/2009
| Quote, originally posted by bman49 » |
| Don't know if this has been posted or not (didn't feel like reading the whole thread) but from what I've seen on the NHTSA's site is the only 1996 to 1998 Skylines can be imported and changed legally. I just saw that the first page stated 1993 to something like 1999 Skyline GTR and GTS could be imported. |
The information you just mentioned has been covered here many time. It's in this thread and also about 10 others somewhere in this forum alone.
It's also pretty much common knowledged nowdays, but thank you contribution. We hope you enjoy browsing through NICO and hope that you'll stick around.
Welcome to the family.
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Posted by: kasonb at 10:21 AM 2/12/2009
im seeing both sides? shed any light?
Post Title: Re: (kasonb)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 3:05 PM 2/12/2009
| Quote, originally posted by kasonb » |
| Sorry if i piss alot of people off, but its taking a while to read through 17 pages. i have a question. ive been gaining info on getting a r32 gtr soon and was wondering if its possible to register it federaly. what about in texas if not? im reading and hopefully will be able to find this answer soon. im seeing both sides? shed any light? |
Well, it's not going to be the words you want to hear, but no. You can not legally, or federally, register an R32 unless it's a prior MotorEx car. I'm sorry, it's just not happening.
Now, if you want to wait till 2014, then you can pick up an 89 Skyline and have no problems. It's just the way it is.
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: HopesNDeamsUSMCUSNSEALGTR at 11:45 AM 2/18/2009
so it can be done and its a pain in the a** but i think its worth it
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Posted by: AZhitman at 11:55 AM 2/18/2009
The "right people" are right here. And for 17 pages, we've been laying out the facts. Some dead guy who supposedly bought a car doesn't change any of that.
Welcome aboard, though!
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Real Street at 7:40 PM 2/19/2009
I went through all 17 pages but nobody mantiond one thing
If you could help me with taht woul be great .
I moved in US about 1 year ago, and left my 2 skylines back home, one is 95 R33 GTS Type ML, second is 99 R34 GT-T, as far as i found out only r33 can be imported ad between 96-98 models, so my both cars ar out from this list.
What if i'll ship my R34 and drive it with dealer plate? i dont mind if it woun't be registered or what so ever just to drive time to time the car with dealer plate? both cars been seating long time and that what boders me or i have to sell or somehow bring one of them in US.
My question is after it will be delivered in US do i need to go through all this headache or can i just put dealer plate on it and drive on roads? What u guys thing about this?
Sorry for wrong english
here are my bebes
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (noobedloser)
Posted by: Vandrel at 8:20 PM 3/3/2009
| Quote, originally posted by noobedloser » |
| is the r33 in GA the motorex one? the one price at about 16k? in the city of kennesaw? |
R33 for sale in Kennesaw eh, only one I know of in that area isn't in Kennesaw and it belongs to Matt which I highly doubt it's for sale unless he's got secrets.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Vandrel)
Posted by: noobedloser at 9:26 PM 3/3/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » |
R33 for sale in Kennesaw eh, only one I know of in that area isn't in Kennesaw and it belongs to Matt which I highly doubt it's for sale unless he's got secrets. |
i saw it on ebay awhile back and it had all the motorex documents posted too. i found out later that a store in cali called focus auto sales was selling it for around 17k on ebay dunno about it meeting the reserve or not but it got sold later. 17k is a steal for motorex r33...
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (noobedloser)
Posted by: SHIFT_LOVE at 10:07 AM 3/17/2009
| Quote, originally posted by SHIFT_LOVE » |
| r32 ftmfw orrrr if you wanted to...dr31 its old enough now and has a fj20 in it |
First off, there was no DR31 Skyline. DR was a designation for RJ powered R30s only, be they turbo or N/A models.
The R31 never had the FJ engines. The only 4 cylinder Skylines were CA powered.
Here is a list of what was available in the R31s.
1.8 L CA18I I4
2.0 L CA20E I4
2.0 L RB20E I6
2.0 L RB20DE I6
2.0 L RB20DET I6
2.0 L RB20DET-R I6 (GTS-R and GTS Autech versions)
3.0 L RB30E I6
2.8 L Diesel RD28 I6
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Gold Digger)
Posted by: motorhead0293 at 7:14 PM 3/22/2009
| Quote, originally posted by motorhead0293 » |
| what if you want to get a gtr that is in canada? (one that was imported and legalized there?) |
Doesn't matter. It's still not up to the standards of the US DOT, EPA and NHTSA.
After the car is 25 years old, maybe.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Gold Digger)
Posted by: PTrain at 12:11 PM 4/3/2009
There is actually a list (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/...9.pdf ) of cars that you can't import for show because the government didn't feel like the car doesn't have enough 'technological and/or historical significance'. What?! I really can't believe that our government is actually wasting their time figuring out which cars are and are not historically significant.
You also can't import it specifically to race it since it wasn't 'originally manufactured as a race car.' (http://204.68.195.250/cars/rul....html) And the government might have a problem anyway if you try to register it as a road car in 2014 because they say you 'cannot subsequently be converted for use on public roads'
I originally thought about this because I figured I could get a r32 over here a little bit before the 25 year rule came into effect to fix it up some. I guess not.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (PTrain)
Posted by: awhite69 at 5:46 PM 4/4/2009
I'm about to give up finding a GTR until 2014 and get a r32 and just get a STS turbo my zo6 until then
Modified by awhite69 at 8:50 PM 4/4/2009
Modified by awhite69 at 9:01 AM 4/6/2009
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (noobedloser)
Posted by: motorhead0293 at 8:43 PM 4/7/2009
| Quote, originally posted by avoiee » |
| What if i'll ship my R34 and drive it with dealer plate? i dont mind if it woun't be registered or what so ever just to drive time to time the car with dealer plate? |
Dealer plates aren't an easy thing to get... Do you meet the criteria?
If not, then the answer is, no sir.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (noobedloser)
Posted by: AZhitman at 12:54 PM 4/14/2009
| Quote, originally posted by noobedloser » |
i saw it on ebay awhile back and it had all the motorex documents posted too. i found out later that a store in cali called focus auto sales was selling it for around 17k on ebay dunno about it meeting the reserve or not but it got sold later. 17k is a steal for motorex r33... |
That was a scam listing, no question about it. Too many inconsistencies in the ad.
Trust me, no one's getting a M'rex for 17K.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (awhite69)
Posted by: AZhitman at 12:56 PM 4/14/2009
| Quote, originally posted by awhite69 » |
| Did anyone figure out if drift tuners is legit? Or still no US RI? |
Read more.
They're a well-documented joke.
Besides, bringing a JDM car into Canada isn't hard, and you don't need an importer to help you with that.
Post Title: Re: (Awd-racer)
Posted by: AZhitman at 12:57 PM 4/14/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Awd-racer » |
| bring it in tru mexico and put mexico plates no questions asked.....ull be in a tourist car........ |
Ummm, have you ever BEEN to Mexico?
I'll leave this one alone, except to say, dumb idea.
Post Title: Re: (Madness Hero)
Posted by: AZhitman at 12:59 PM 4/14/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Madness Hero » |
| Just a question, but has anyone on this forum done a poll to see who would be willing to get an r32 when they become available on the 25 year mark, or is that a no brainer? |
We're gonna go with no-brainer.
Keep in mind, prices will stay high, as parts become more scarce and the cars get older. Not a lot will be coming from mainland Japan, mostly tired units from CAN and AU.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Madness Hero at 1:20 PM 4/14/2009
Hitman, what would you consider a reasonable price for an R32 when the time comes?
I have been keeping my eye on this thread since its inception (I had to re-register because I forgot my original sign-in name/pw) and I am curious to know your thoughts on the matter as I have seen you shoot down several offers (legal or otherwise) for skylines because they were not priced "reasonably" in your opinion.
Thanks,
MH
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: avoiee at 1:55 AM 4/16/2009
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Dealer plates aren't an easy thing to get... Do you meet the criteria? If not, then the answer is, no sir. |
For me it's very easy to get one , good friend of mine owns buisnes and has couple extra plates.
But i still didn't get answer : in this case will i still have problems?
Thank you
Modified by avoiee at 2:34 PM 4/16/2009
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (avoiee)
Posted by: AZhitman at 1:06 AM 4/17/2009
| Quote, originally posted by avoiee » |
For me it's very easy to get one , good friend of mine owns buisnes and has couple extra plates. But i still didn't get answer : in this case will i still have problems? Thank you |
Let me give you an example:
It's VERY easy for me to get a 2009 GTR. A couple good friends own them. I can borrow one and never bring it back.
Ah, yes. It's illegal. Not only can you be cited for having a plate on a car that's not owned by the dealership, but your friend can lose his dealer license. I doubt he's willing to take that risk, if he's a real businessman.
Yes, your car can still be seized, impounded, and crushed. Probably MORE likely, since it will be screaming "LOOK AT ME!" with stolen dealer plates.
Please, let's keep the fantasies to a minimum. I've said it plenty of times in this thread - If there was a legit, legal way, I'd own one. Probably two.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: ventrex at 6:19 AM 4/17/2009
Nissan Skyline R34 GTR V-SPEC (1999)
Mazda Eunos JCES Cosmo Series II (94-95).
I think it might be worth wild looking into the criteria of a show/display car. Apparently you can drive them on the roads legally, but your milage will be restircited. In my state (MA) it's like 2,500 miles per year.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (ventrex)
Posted by: a2000rt2 at 12:47 PM 4/30/2009
| Quote, originally posted by the converted » |
| It's my understanding that it has to be eligible for importation when it ENTERS the country, so that you wouldn't be able to just sit on it for X years until it's 25 years old. I guess that you could squirrel one away in Canada though and bring it in when it's old enough. |
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
You can always import the chassis and all the other goodies separate...it's not considered a motor vehicle if it's a rolling chassis. and while waiting til 2014+ for R32 or 2024+ for R34 you can assemble it, track it... and finally register it when the time comes. This is perfectly legal. As long you don't drive on public roads. But getting into the country is the FUN part, always...
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Rare_f8)
Posted by: ventrex at 5:25 PM 5/2/2009
| Quote, originally posted by a2000rt2 » |
| How about the importing for race purposes. Which models can and can't and who has to import? Does it have to be an RI? |
Already been covered, it's on the DOT website.
And the car needs to be proven race-prepped. I doubt you have the ability to make a log book for such extensive coverage of all aspects of the car.
And like above. It's only a temporary.
Post Title: Re: FN-QR (Rare_f8)
Posted by: a2000rt2 at 6:33 AM 5/5/2009
| Quote, originally posted by a2000rt2 » |
| What everyone isn't getting is that i dont want to register it or race or show it. Just want it here. |
Then WTF do you want it for? Gonna make a sick bed out of it? If you don't want to register it or anything then just find a fly by night importer and your good.
Post Title: Re: FN-QR (the converted)
Posted by: ventrex at 1:33 PM 5/5/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Rare_f8 » |
You can always import the chassis and all the other goodies separate...it's not considered a motor vehicle if it's a rolling chassis. and while waiting til 2014+ for R32 or 2024+ for R34 you can assemble it, track it... and finally register it when the time comes. This is perfectly legal. As long you don't drive on public roads. But getting into the country is the FUN part, always... |
This is on the same page... you really didn't read.
Not to beat down on you. But, we have many many fanbois come in here and asking the same questions without reading. Sean Morris who used to work for Motorex gave deep perspective in what it takes. It's all in here. I am not going to link it every time someone ask.
It get's tiring.
Modified by Rare_f8 at 3:29 PM 5/5/2009
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Rare_f8)
Posted by: ventrex at 3:47 PM 5/5/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Rare_f8 » |
This is on the same page... you really didn't read. Not to beat down on you. But, we have many many fanbois come in here and asking the same questions without reading. Sean Morris who used to work for Motorex gave deep perspective in what it takes. It's all in here. I am not going to link it every time someone ask. It get's tiring.
|
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (ventrex)
Posted by: a2000rt2 at 5:55 PM 5/5/2009
While I don't agree with the importation and registration rules, it's stupid to think we're gonna circumvent them.
Here's the deal - If you have the scratch to get the parts imported, you don't need our help telling you how to do it.
Again, for the last time - If it were a simple process, I'd have 2. In my driveway. Now.
Just because you don't like the answers that this thread has given you, doesn't make them the "wrong" answers.
Here's a short answer for you as far as what you can do legally:
You can buy parts of a Skyline from Japan and have them shipped here for use on your car.
How's that?
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Rare_f8 at 7:05 PM 5/5/2009
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
You can buy parts of a Skyline from Japan and have them shipped here for use on your car. How's that? |
Yep, you don't need them to be eligible to enter the country. As long you are not smuggling something else, they don't care.
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| Again, for the last time - If it were a simple process, I'd have 2. In my driveway. Now. |
A early model R32 and R34..
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: leon14 at 6:23 PM 5/7/2009
well i own a skyline GTR R33 v spec
but those skylines are alot easier to import or register than R34's 
i want a R34 so bad but theres only 2 ways i know to get one here legalized
1.) Buy one from someone who already has a legal one
2.) go to Kaizo so they can give you the unibody and you just add the drive train and engine
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (leon14)
Posted by: Rare_f8 at 12:30 AM 5/8/2009
I own an R32 GT-R in St. Kitts. Here we had absolutely no emmisions or safety regs, just rediculous import duties so I had no problems importing the car a year ago. 
I'm moving to the US soon. I was considering contactint the DOT and other sanctioning bodies to maybe allow the car into the US.
After reading all of this I figured it would be better to just contact a friend in Japan and look for a DR30 and ship that.
Unless the R30 is falls under the same problem as the R32-R34.
If not it's a solid plan no?
Post Title: Re: (CaribR32)
Posted by: Vandrel at 4:40 PM 5/12/2009
| Quote, originally posted by CaribR32 » |
| I've read through the entire thread. I own an R32 GT-R in St. Kitts. Here we had absolutely no emmisions or safety regs, just rediculous import duties so I had no problems importing the car a year ago. I'm moving to the US soon. I was considering contactint the DOT and other sanctioning bodies to maybe allow the car into the US. After reading all of this I figured it would be better to just contact a friend in Japan and look for a DR30 and ship that. Unless the R30 is falls under the same problem as the R32-R34. If not it's a solid plan no? |
Welcome aboard, and welcome back to the US!
I can't see any easy way to get your 32 in-country, unfortunately. If there was, we'd all do a brief stint in a US territory, import the dream car, and box it up for the US.
The R30? No problem. 25 years old is good to go.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: XMSducksauce at 3:22 AM 5/15/2009
So there should be a way to modify a 300Z ECU to work. I know that Motorex used 3 catalytic converters and got them approved. This is most likely all that EPA requires and leaves the rest up to the individual states. If you do know that they specifically require ODB2 please let me know where you read that, I would also like to read it.
Post Title: Re: (roadrunr)
Posted by: the converted at 12:33 PM 5/15/2009
I snagged this right off the EPA's website.
On-Board Diagnostics, or "OBD," is a computer-based system built into all 1996 and later light-duty vehicles and trucks, as required by the Clean Air Act Amendments of 1990. OBD systems are designed to monitor the performance of some of an engine's major components including those responsible for controlling emissions.
Post Title: Re: (the converted)
Posted by: s13-t at 11:19 AM 5/18/2009
At that point, it's treated like parts. Or furniture.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: Eikon at 12:19 PM 5/18/2009
Post Title: Re: (Eikon)
Posted by: s13-t at 1:05 PM 5/18/2009
Your neighborhood consists of public roads. You need to register a car to use it on public roads, and most states have insurance requirements as well.
You can trailer it to a track and drive it there.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: a2000rt2 at 5:24 AM 5/19/2009
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
Welcome aboard, and welcome back to the US! I can't see any easy way to get your 32 in-country, unfortunately. If there was, we'd all do a brief stint in a US territory, import the dream car, and box it up for the US. The R30? No problem. 25 years old is good to go. |
Sweet. I'm already looking for an RS-Turbo clone. Also considering an R31 GTS-R clone.
Post Title: Re: (CaribR32)
Posted by: ventrex at 2:47 PM 5/26/2009
here's my situation. I live in Kennewick WA. no emissions bs, no state troopers inspecting vehicles ect... My WA state drivers license says my address is in eltopia- family farm...
all my bills go to the address on my ID. The house I live in is owned by a family friend and rent is paid in cash with no paperwork or documentation. so Basically the po pos dont know where to find me if they wanted to. That being said now I will explain my idea. My family has many friends and customers in Canada. Its easy for me to hitch a week long trip through Canada with my father. So, I am going to try and get a Canadian PO box that will let me use the company physical address as my own. Then schedule to get my Quebec Drivers license and Canadian auto insurance on an r32 skyline. Then I can drive the car across the border to "visit" my friends and family and when/ if pulled over by the po I would give the Canadian information. I wouldn't drive often and therefor wouldn't be questioned about If I had moved to the states and have 60 days to swap registration.
my question is, do the take the old license? - the WA state one- and if they do take it from you do they use a joint database where the dmv in the states would see that they took my license in exchange.
another option would be to wait another year- turn 21 get new license- give Quebec the old license like weeks before it expires, return to WA, get my new 21 license... then If pulled over I give whichever info is necessary for the vehicle I'm in.
Post Title: Re: (s13-t)
Posted by: prestonp06 at 8:49 AM 6/3/2009
i appreciate all the info this series of pages has to offer.
AND to the best of my knowlege, i understand that to be able to drive a R34 in the US, it must either be....
-A Motorex Skyline seeing that there was a bond stating that they could be legalized because of the tests and mods (or lack of) that they underwent by their licensed contractors for emmissions and crash tests.
(We all know how that fiasco turned out)
-And Kaizo, (Looking back at the old replies from that "cock Face" MostH8D), sells VINless bodys and do not need OBDII because according to Casey from JSPECConnect because they sell motorless unibodies but in Cali you must apply for a Smog kit car exemption, but good luck because there is only 500!. And the DMV will have no records of the Kaizo brand they will be assigned the model year as the default (1960). This also is from Casey. The VIN on the bodys is just a body number and the US VIN will be assigned to them when attempting to register the car and discovering that its not in the system.
how are things looking? 
and as for kaizo bodys. its just the body. the engine is up to your choice but you better hope you're one of the 500 SMOG exemptions annually for CA. (I intend to search for the guys in charge of these releases and invite them to a BBQ)
correct me if i'm wrong b/c i want a R34 and i would like the definite facts.
oh and i saw something earlier in this discussion about the 1999 R34 becoming a rare and collectable car therefore making it elegable for importation. the document was dated Jan of 2009.
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Posted by: AZhitman at 9:06 AM 6/3/2009
By definition, a Vehicle Identification Number is for a VEHICLE.
By definition, a VEHICLE has an engine.
Therefore, simple logic dictates that a VIN should not be assigned to a car part (which a unibody is).
Can you get a VIN for a headlight? I didn't think so. In the eyes of federal law, the two parts are the same.
Post Title: Re: (s13-t)
Posted by: s13-t at 2:39 PM 6/3/2009
so now unless the 25 year rule or emissions become more strict then I will simply wait. $hitty.
Post Title: Re: (s13-t)
Posted by: ventrex at 2:54 PM 6/3/2009
let me just call it "TNTTCGI" (The Number That The Company Gave It)
but the "TNTTCGI" issue aside, how close am I? 
Post Title: Re: (prestonp06)
Posted by: prestonp06 at 2:15 PM 6/4/2009
A few things that I have not seen in all my research (a lot of it to), is anywhere that states that r32 and r34s are banned, they just arnt eligible yet, due to the lack of crash testing etc.
So what stops someone from actually doing what MotorEx did, just legally and actually go threw all the loops. So "theoretically" we open up shop, become a registered importer, crash test an r32 and or r34. Then import them, do the required chassis mods to make the vehicles be fedrally legal. . . BUT have no engine or just swap in like a KA that passes emissions. The car would then be able to be 100% legal with a KA engine for example. The buyer would then be able buy a running, driving and hundred percent legal skyline. What the buyer does with the car is not my responsibility.
So if we got a fully legal shell, one could have the shop do an rb engine swap, but the customer would prolly have to sign a waiver stating that the car may not pass emissions.
The shop would then be completely covered and doing it all legal. If the customer gets busted, they wont loose their. Although they may get popped for emissions and a hefty fine, but thats not on the company as stated waiver.
Sounds like a solid plan, expensive, but solid. We can work on emissions later to comply.
and yes I red the WHOLE thread
| Quote, originally posted by Enzo_Guy » |
| Hey guys, I'm new to the forum, so please be easy this humble noob if this idea has been proposed before. After reading this thread and reviewing the petition by JK Technologies, I think I am coming to grips with this information. Now, all of the changes to make the car DOT legal are contained within the petition, or were there seperate (mind you DOT-specific, nothing to do with EPA yet) changes that needed to be made to the R33 post-96 series that Motorex has still not disclosed? Now, with that said, what if strictly the body were imported, it was converted by an RI to comply with DOT rgulations, then outfitted with an engine that would pass the EPA regulations with an engine already in America. Would this modification, assuming that the DOT no longer considers a Skyline with a swapped motor to be the standard production model, be legally capable of being registered as a kit car (federally, not just state) because now it is heavily modified so that it is no longer a production car but it still meets DOT regulations? |
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Posted by: AZhitman at 5:25 PM 6/8/2009
On a side note, any idea how much it costs to rent a crash-testing facility (and the equipment) and salaried engineers to oversee and certify the testing?
Might wanna consult your accountant.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: USsil80 at 6:27 PM 6/8/2009
| Quote, originally posted by AZhitman » |
| If you can afford to crash test enough R-chassis cars to satisfy the NHTSA, then you don't need a new business venture... you need a cabin in the Hamptons and a harem of supermodels. |
umm.. can i get in on some of that please? will be the harem manger of the place
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Posted by: Mr_Merkur at 6:09 AM 6/9/2009
Haha, just realized USsil said why not to Minot. Been to Ellsworth?
Modified by Mr_Merkur at 1:40 PM 6/11/2009
Post Title: Re: (Mr_Merkur)
Posted by: prestonp06 at 1:43 PM 6/9/2009
i wonder if the employees of crash testing facilities get employee discounts for using the facility.
hmmm,...google time
Post Title: Re: becoming a RI (Mr_Merkur)
Posted by: prestonp06 at 2:16 PM 6/9/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Mr_Merkur » |
| Ok, yea I'm new here and prolly beating a dead horse, BUTTTTT a buddy and I are finally working on opening our own shop and are looking to become RIs, been going threw the details etc. to become one. A few things that I have not seen in all my research (a lot of it to), is anywhere that states that r32 and r34s are banned, they just arnt eligible yet, due to the lack of crash testing etc. So what stops someone from actually doing what MotorEx did, just legally and actually go threw all the loops. So "theoretically" we open up shop, become a registered importer, crash test an r32 and or r34. Then import them, do the required chassis mods to make the vehicles be fedrally legal. . . BUT have no engine or just swap in like a KA that passes emissions. The car would then be able to be 100% legal with a KA engine for example. The buyer would then be able buy a running, driving and hundred percent legal skyline. What the buyer does with the car is not my responsibility. So if we got a fully legal shell, one could have the shop do an rb engine swap, but the customer would prolly have to sign a waiver stating that the car may not pass emissions. The shop would then be completely covered and doing it all legal. If the customer gets busted, they wont loose their. Although they may get popped for emissions and a hefty fine, but thats not on the company as stated waiver.
and yes I red the WHOLE thread |
here i found this independent facility that does them. i'm emailing them as we speak
http://www.calspan.com/fullscale.htm
Post Title: Re: becoming a RI (Mr_Merkur)
Posted by: prestonp06 at 1:41 PM 6/16/2009
First off, yes, the 96-98 R33 Skylines are eligible for imortation. That's old news. Yes, they are eligible becuase they meat the NHTSA's crash test standards with a few modifications to increase rigidity.
But, the engines don't meet U.S. EPA smog standards due to not using an EGR valve set up and also the RB series enigne ECUs don't have OBD II compliant systems. Gotta get around that one first.
So, while your cousin may have found another way to get a state titled Skyline in the U.S., it's far from the "legal" way of doing things.
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: 93 Chuki FB at 8:31 PM 7/2/2009
TEST RESULT:PASS
MANUFACTURER: NISSAN
MODEL: SKYLINE
MODEL YEAR: 1996
EXHAUST: SINGLE
CAP 1:PASS
START DATE/TIME: 06/02/09 03:04 PM
BODY TYPE:SEDAN
FUEL TYPE: GAS
anyway he some how got everything legit and passed, he said hes gonna do the same thing for me when i get another 6k and he said he will try to find me a R33 GTR, anyway i drove it and that thing is a blast!!! and he already got a negligent driving of the 2nd degree ticket for 600$ the cop didn't say anything to him about the car
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: ventrex at 8:32 PM 7/2/2009
Let us know how quick the insurance company says, "Screw you".
Providing false information to obtain coverage is grounds for denial of a claim, and in some instances, a criminal offense.
Again - If someone finds a way to do it, I say "Attaboy". I think the prohibitions on importation are stupid.
But I've been researching this issue for a long time, and I keep coming back to the same dead end.
Post Title: Re: (AZhitman)
Posted by: 93 Chuki FB at 10:24 PM 7/2/2009
I live in NJ FYI thanks guys,
-Alexander
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Freshman1)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:39 PM 7/6/2009
For the R chassis, they are all going to be RHD unless a conversion to LHD has been done, which has been done before, but only a handfull of times, and it's not cheap.
There are very few "Legal" Skylines in the states, and anyone that is selling a "Street Legal" Skyline is most likely a grey market car, or it's a scam by someone trying to make a quick buck.
As for registering it and insuring it, there are places that will do it, but be aware that if you try to insure a grey market car, you could run into issues should you get into an accident, be it your fault or the other drivers.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (Gold Digger)
Posted by: 93 Chuki FB at 10:27 PM 7/6/2009
| Quote, originally posted by 93 Chuki FB » |
| wait what happens if a find a junked up skyline in like a junkyard or someone is parting it out and he has all the paper work to go with the car and lets say its a genuine parts car, now if i were to take it over the border as is no motor, tranny, some body panels missing and a few other things, if i rebuilt over a period of a year could it be a legal kit car or whatever? |
At this point, I'm going to ask you to read the whole thread.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US.... (AZhitman)
Posted by: 93 Chuki FB at 4:08 PM 7/7/2009
Even if you buy a non MotoRex'd Skyline and do not register it (trailer it to the track, etc) the feds will still find you and crush your car, simply because it was illegally imported to begin with.
@Mods: Can we please close this thread now, or restrict it to writeable by mods only? I've been subscribed to this thread since the beginning and no good has come out of this, just the same rehash every 2 pages. A few people did actually put some effort in but sadly nothing has come of it.
Post Title: Re: So you want to buy a Skyline in the US....
Posted by: Mr_Merkur at 7:17 PM 7/7/2009
And lets say if someone could get a fedrally legit 100% R32 skyline, would people actually pay and be able to pay 60g for one?
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Posted by: HowlerMonkey at 8:53 AM 7/10/2009
If anything, it's good reading.
http://forums2.nicoclub.com/sh...47776
http://skylinegt-r.wikidot.com/0-60mrex
Post Title: Re: (HowlerMonkey)
Posted by: 93 Chuki FB at 2:48 PM 7/10/2009
| Quote, originally posted by 93 Chuki FB » |
| i don't have the time or the patients to do that sorry |
Then your question won't get answered.
Not trying to be rude, but that's why we've all invested TIME and EFFORT.
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: Marcus's Z at 7:34 PM 7/15/2009
I was going to try and PM people but I dont know how to.
Post Title: Re: (Marcus's Z)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 7:22 PM 7/16/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Marcus’s Z » |
| I was going to order a R33 skyline off the web by a guy name Jeremy and he said he can legalize it in the US. I dont want to name the site But Iam sure you know what one I am talking about. Is this true?
|
Is his name Jeremy Body? If so, stay away from him. While he may be able to get a car a state title, it doesn't make it federally legal, like he claimed he could do.
NICO has a history with him from around the end of last year, beginning of this year. Search for Drift Tuners and do some reading.
Also, next time you talk to him, you can tell him we at NICO say "Hello". That ought to get him going. LOL.
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: Marcus's Z at 11:49 AM 7/17/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger » |
Is his name Jeremy Body? If so, stay away from him. While he may be able to get a car a state title, it doesn't make it federally legal, like he claimed he could do. NICO has a history with him from around the end of last year, beginning of this year. Search for Drift Tuners and do some reading. Also, next time you talk to him, you can tell him we at NICO say "Hello". That ought to get him going. LOL. |
Iam not sure of his last name but it is from Drift Tuners. He claims he can get me a legal car imported. So hes just BS me I take it. It's true you can get the 1996 R33 in the states? I been reading alot and looking around and your site is the only one with good information. So thanks for the help.
Post Title: Re: (Marcus's Z)
Posted by: Gold Digger at 11:17 PM 7/17/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Marcus’s Z » |
Iam not sure of his last name but it is from Drift Tuners. He claims he can get me a legal car imported. So hes just BS me I take it. It's true you can get the 1996 R33 in the states? I been reading alot and looking around and your site is the only one with good information. So thanks for the help. |
To break it down for ya.
1996-1998 are the only years R33 Skylines can be imported, because they have dual airbags.
But, you have to get modifications done to the body to make it a bit more rigid and to strengthen up the crash zones.
You also have to figure out a way to get the RB26DETT engine to work with an OBD II system, which is the real hard part.
I heard that apparently someone is using a Z32 turbo ECU somehow, but I don't know if there is any truth to that at all. I haven't seen/read it anywhere else on the net or in any magazines, so take it for what it's worth.
As for Drift Tuners, if he says he can get you a federally legal Skyline, he is full of it. He'll try to tell you that State legal is the same as Fed legal, but it's not. Fed trumps State every time.
If you don't care about legality, then there are tons more options available to you. There are many people selling grey market cars for not to outrageous prices.
Post Title: Re: (Gold Digger)
Posted by: Marcus's Z at 11:46 AM 7/18/2009
| Quote, originally posted by Gold Digger » |
| All the info you need is here on the site. To break it down for ya. 1996-1998 are the only years R33 Skylin |