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Post Title: welded differential.. Posted by:jnay at 8:14 PM 10/22/2005 i posted this in the nissan tech forum but im gonna post it here because it looks like this would be the place to post it.
anyone have a welded differential? how is it? does it lock up? any problems? if i have an open differential, can i have it welded? a lot of people say this a good way to go if you dont have enough money to buy a kaaz or nismo lsd.
thanks for the info
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (jnay) Posted by:raging panda at 11:14 PM 10/22/2005
i have a welded, perfect if you dont mind a loud ride, and you dont drive like an *** hole, because you will spin out if you think you are some kind of gifted driver. its always locked up so thats kind of a null question, being welded means nothing moves inside the diff, the only thing that gives is the tires. you should probably search around since this has been covered before and you don't have a strong grasp on the idea of a welded diff.
Post Title: Posted by:sleepyRPS13 at 1:01 AM 10/23/2005 heres my exp from driving weld diff everyday.
you will feel a push from cornering (that also means understeer is lurking tryin to getcha)
help smoothn out some bumpy roads
help you get up high entrance/entries (instead of doin the one wheel burnout)
expect a lot of tire chirping
you wont spinout like that guy said ,but be careful in the rain. (pls dont do donuts on the middle of intersection. police might think its me but i know its that 86 guy! bastard)
my tire is fine from 12K+ mile (might be more)& from never rotatin tires, but it is aligned properly.
low maintenance , no special fluid to buy. just reg gear oil.
chatter from low speed corning (really low like 5mph, also depends on the pavement)
open diff is prefered, cant (or difficult) weld vlsd or any type of lsd.
etc etc... i got tired
Post Title: Posted by:Akihisa at 6:37 AM 10/24/2005
I run a welded diff. Just be sure to take the diff out of the pumpkin before you weld it. The first one I did I didnt take it out and the spatter that came off while welding screwed all the bearings up.
Post Title: Posted by:spec-u-later at 9:16 PM 10/26/2005 Welded diff works fine. No noise except tire chirp on tight corners. It's free what do you expect?
Post Title: Re: (spec-u-later) Posted by:DrifterBoy240 at 9:03 AM 10/28/2005 i have a welded diff and i think that its a little more predictable in any condition except snow but i havent drivin in snow yet this year so here in a few months ill find out.
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 11:37 AM 10/28/2005 where do u guys take it to weld it? and how long have u been running with them?
my buddy had some bad experince with welded diffs but i think he is getting it welded all wrong, because he had 3 already and 2 of them shot something out of the casing about the size of a quarter.
Post Title: Re: (driftin2trance) Posted by:pregmantis at 3:45 PM 10/28/2005
Take the diff t a good welder. I think the weak spot would be the welds and then the spidergear pin. I have been using mine for bout 4 years....dngerous in the rain,noisy on slow turns but very predictable and fun.
Post Title: Posted by:574-240sx at 3:39 PM 10/30/2005 Just get it done right. You may look like some tard when you are in a busy parking lot trying to park. Some people have horror stories with welded diffs most of the time it wasn't done right. Tires will wear out much quicker and road courses and autoX will be out of the question if you are trying to do decent. Weld it then save for a real diff down the road or buy a vlsd and sell it for what you bought it for when you get a real diff.
Post Title: Re: (574-240sx) Posted by:raging panda at 8:20 PM 10/30/2005 i wouldnt auto x one, but road course i disagree. Apparently a lot of budget road racers run welded differentials, the only time you really notice the unit not slipping is slow 2nd gear stuff. so welded diff for road racing = yes
being that this is the drift forum, i would always say no to vlsd.
Post Title: Posted by:574-240sx at 8:37 PM 10/30/2005
Say no to a VLSD and sell it a year later for almost what you paid for it, I would think that would be the way to go. Not everyone can drop $800 on a 2-way. He probably doesn't even have coils or a decent seat yet.
Post Title: Posted by:sleepyRPS13 at 9:44 PM 10/30/2005 was going to autox but been so busy with school and my kid plus studying for my ase. arrgg no life
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 6:31 PM 10/31/2005 i autox but i havent with the welded diff, i guess i will find out in 3 weeks cuse the next one is this weekend but i wont have the welded diff by then
Post Title: Posted by:Anand at 8:25 PM 10/31/2005 welded diff would not be good for autox.
I am running a welded... welded it while it being in the pumpkin..
it makes cool chirps while making sharp turns at low speed. I also have sub frame collars and so my car makes all kinds of noise but no more than a 2 way would.
if you drift or want to get good at it.. I say, just do it..
the way your car will handle out there is like night and day.
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 9:37 PM 10/31/2005
yea, i know its gonna suck for autox but i love to autox on the weekends so i will do it anyways. i guess i will be the slowest guy out there cuase i will be over and under steering like a bia
Post Title: Posted by:sleepyRPS13 at 11:30 PM 10/31/2005 thats it im goin autox mine. as soon i get some 615 and do some alignement, bleed,flush at my school. ill be ready.
anyone going to the thundergrip & slip&grip @ thunderhill?
Post Title: Posted by:Dookie at 8:14 PM 11/1/2005
+1 for welded diffs, i love mine. Tested it out for the grind event in houston and i love it to death. Awesome event, I know me and Anand had a good time Things Ive noticed: 1. DDing the car, the car tends to understeer when doing tight turns, not a big problem, just dont go in as fast 2. Diff makes some cool noise when doing tight turns, and people stare at you. 3. Swapping a diff on gravel sucks Other than that, its freaking awesome. Have yet to do extensive testing in the rain. Not sure whats gonna happen if I nail a puddle
Post Title: Posted by:BB Turbo at 9:38 PM 11/1/2005 I too run a welded and love it. I got to test it in the rain it slides out EASILY, just be very careful. I had lots of fun in the rain though.
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 7:20 AM 11/2/2005 thats one thing i am worried about, is rain. but i guess i will have to take the beast (volvo) out if it rains.
Post Title: Posted by:sleepyRPS13 at 10:13 PM 11/2/2005 i have no probs in the rain, especially on the rainy season. but if it ever snow'd in cali ill be skerd. water & oil is pretty scary too.
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 2:15 PM 1/23/2006 i dont have any problems in the rain but i have to drive normal and not drift every turn, cause they i may spin out. but i love my welded diff.
Post Title: Posted by:kamikazi at 3:12 PM 1/24/2006 i would have to say weld it if you dont have the money but i bought a skyline vlsd with 7k on it and its prolly the best 300 ive spent on the car so far.
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 7:51 AM 1/25/2006 my welded was 100, thats with buying a spare diff and welding it. i kept mine for "just in case" reasons.
Post Title: Posted by:SlIp'n'sLiDe at 9:05 AM 1/27/2006 do it i have it on my coupe and i love it, but that new set of tires that i went through in 1 week didnt seem to agree with it too well...lol
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 10:03 PM 1/28/2006 yea, i go through like 3-4 sets in a month. hahaha
Post Title: Posted by:Ender_Zero at 11:24 AM 2/7/2006 where do you normally go to get your diff welded? should i go to a shop that has a lot of welding experience eg. a muffler shop, or should i just go to a performance shop?
Post Title: Re: (raging panda) Posted by:BuLLeTdrift at 6:19 PM 2/7/2006
Quote, originally posted by raging panda »
....being that this is the drift forum, i would always say no to vlsd.
vlsd are great for drifting. not the best like a clutch type, but looking at my sig, an all stock 240 is very drift-able with a vLSD. Like i said, they are not the best, but you can find them under $300 (I got one at 250 installed, and my second one for 150) and they are awesome. My homie who one the Falken Drift Showoff a few months back in Berkeley Ca, told me he tried a welded diff, and preferred vLSD well over it. Even with that said, I'll still prolly try a welded..lol.
Basically i just wanted to say vLSD's are great for drifting and all around driving. Peace.
Post Title: Re: (Ender_Zero) Posted by:driftin2trance at 7:19 PM 2/9/2006
Quote, originally posted by Ender_Zero »
where do you normally go to get your diff welded? should i go to a shop that has a lot of welding experience eg. a muffler shop, or should i just go to a performance shop?
i took mine to a place nascar shop where they weld diffs for the cars and other stuff.
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (jnay) Posted by:hazw8st at 3:52 PM 2/10/2006 It will eat up your tires quick....
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 10:58 AM 2/11/2006 mine go pretty quick but thats because i do a lot of donuts and burnouts. LOL
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (jnay) Posted by:alpalwal at 12:11 PM 2/27/2006 How exactly do you remove the diff from the pumpkin?
Post Title: Re: (driftin2trance) Posted by:Kornkidz at 6:40 PM 2/27/2006
Quote, originally posted by driftin2trance »
i took mine to a place nascar shop where they weld diffs for the cars and other stuff.
I am defenatly ready to get my DIFF welded..but i dont know where to go to??? I dont weld my self so i cant do it on my own...but what did you say in the statment above i dont really understand you???
Does anyone know any So Cal places that will weld a DIFF??
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 10:36 AM 2/28/2006
make sure its a good shop that has done it before. couple of my friends took it someplace where they never welded diffs and he popped three (blows a junk out off the diff about a quarter size). i took mine to a nascar shop, they build mini race cars and they have done it before. its an old shop. ask them if they had experince in welding diffs. you can take it to a off road truck shop, they weld diffs too. but they will tell u not to take it on the road cause they dont want to be responsible it if pops and locks the rear when ur goin down the interstate and wreck and die. you dont want to have cold welds and u dont want to over crank the welder so it messes up the structure of the metal teeth and they break. just takes experience. i had mine since october and i love it. i drive on long trips and its cool. however, if i go to a drift event i bring my spare open diff just in case. hope u find a good place and works out for u. good luck!
Post Title: Re: (driftin2trance) Posted by:Kornkidz at 2:25 PM 3/6/2006 sorry about being a little late on reading the info...but thanks alot i really appreicate it. Theres an off road trucks parts place right by my house so i'll swing by there...i think im going to go with the welded diff....that seems to be the best thing for a BROKE MANS LSD!!!
Post Title: Posted by:driftin2trance at 8:17 PM 3/6/2006 yea, give it a try. many people dont like it. i do. it was cheap and i will save up to get a 2way later on. just be prepared that if something happens u have the parts and u can have down time. i carry my spare open diff to drift/autox events.
Post Title: Re: (driftin2trance) Posted by:Kornkidz at 10:22 AM 3/9/2006 hahahha yeah i will go ahead and pick up a spare diff at some auto wreck yard or something...problem is here in california(so cal) i can never seem to find but maybe 1 or 2 s13 in the junk yard...and there usually already ripped up...but i will keep on searching
Post Title: Posted by:sleepyRPS13 at 1:32 AM 3/10/2006 try weld locd 4 from luke... blu808@aol.com
Post Title: Re: (sleepyRPS13) Posted by:zeause at 11:58 AM 10/16/2008
I know this is an old thread, but has any1 ever taken their cars over 100 or faster with a welded dif? Is it safe? lol
Post Title: Posted by:LayNLow240 at 3:15 AM 11/21/2008 Mine has been up to about 135 and it was fine... on a track of course. Edit: scratch that, got it up to 150 no problems from the diff, although that was a very large back straight at the track i was at.
Modified by LayNLow240 at 5:51 AM 11/23/2008
Post Title: Posted by:BuLLeTdrift at 6:46 PM 11/21/2008 lol this is an old *** thread ha. Lookin back at what i said i still didn't even have a welded diff yet.
I've taken mine well over 100 mph and i'm not sure of top speed at initiation, buddy of mine told me i was above 80, but that was when i was KA.
If its done by a reputable person, going over 100 is safe... on a track. How Safe can 100 MPH be anywhere else lol?? If it breaks, it doesn't really matter if your going over 50 period. Just get one that is done right.
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (jnay) Posted by:DriftThatS13 at 1:56 AM 12/13/2008
do wat i do if you are mechanically incline and have enough patients. Welded diff on streets is a horrible idea its loud and you will be curping every turn. A good idea is go to a junk yard and buy a diff. for cheap and weld that one and every event that you go to or meet just swap them out. It will save the life of your tires and the welded diff trust me!!! you nedd to safe money now a days you kno .
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (DriftThatS13) Posted by:n00d1ek1ng at 2:55 AM 2/17/2009 get welded if you wanna drift. get a real lsd if you wanna do anything else...or if you have money..
Post Title: Posted by:.humblexone. at 9:44 PM 3/4/2009 im close to purchasing a 240 with a welded diff, the only thing is iam a first time driver and still learning. was wondering if their is anyway to unwelding it? or would i have to just buy a new diff all together? any help would be appriciated
Post Title: Re: (.humblexone.) Posted by:zeause at 8:02 PM 3/5/2009 you cant just unweld stuff. sorry buddy. you can find these rearends cheap as s*** tho. you can get 1 out of a s13 or s14 no matter what yours is and yous your dif cover on it.
Post Title: Posted by:SLiguykyle at 12:12 AM 3/11/2009 so i have an open diff in my S14 right now. i have a VLSD out of an S13 with 8Kmiles on it that i got for free. what should i do? weld or install VLSD? (i plan on drifting alot, but it also has to be my DD for now)
or should i buy a KAAZ 2-way? O.o
Post Title: Re: (SLiguykyle) Posted by:zeause at 12:27 AM 3/11/2009
ive heard when you drift a vlsd will get hot and quit working. a 2 way is pretty much the same as a welded diff. if you plan on drifting a lot but want to daily drive it 1.5 would probly be the way to go imo. there is a lot of ppl that daily welded diff cars tho.
Post Title: Re: (zeause) Posted by:RustspecS13 at 10:52 AM 4/5/2009 Two of my friends have s13 with welded diffs. They drive them year round in ohio weather. No issues what so ever.
When I drive my friends s13 I dont even notice the diff. If you have quick reactions and skill theres no issues.
I have a kaaz 2way I picked up for $650 two years ago. Its awesome if you have the money. Little DD tire wear, and instant lock up any time you need it. I have almost 30K miles on my kaaz and its still awesome.
Although if the VLSD has 8k on it and not 80K, Id probably use it. As long as your not making 250+WHP it'll be hard to over heat a FRESH VLSD like that. However anything over 50K miles I wouldn't touch, just go welded or kaaz.
Post Title: Re: (zeause) Posted by:Joe at 2:09 PM 4/6/2009
Quote, originally posted by zeause »
ive heard when you drift a vlsd will get hot and quit working. a 2 way is pretty much the same as a welded diff. if you plan on drifting a lot but want to daily drive it 1.5 would probly be the way to go imo. there is a lot of ppl that daily welded diff cars tho.
LOL a 2 way is NOT the same as a welded diff.
Post Title: Posted by:BuLLeTdrift at 5:23 PM 4/9/2009
I'm shocked that this thread is still popping up every other year. haha.
I just wanted to throw this in the mix. My G/F has a welded diff in her S14 and daily drives that to work everyday, shopping on weekends, ect ect (along with fence pipes lol). She can handle it, ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. Welded diffs do not eat up tires as bad as people who paid 100's of dollars on clutch types say they do. If you are going to get into drifting and are contemplating getting a vLSD or a welded, just get the freakin diff welded and do it now. Summer time is coming up and you will have plenty of time to learn how to drive it before the winter comes. My girl has driven on the welded all winter long in the rain and if she can handle it, most of you can. I say most cuz i well damn, i see people crash and wonder how they got a drivers license. Man up and do it, or build your show car.
Edit: In case you're wondering about performance while drifting, its just as good as an expensive 2-way. Most predictable way to set up your car. I probably wont every get a clutch type unless I get sponsored by a company and they give me one for free.
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. Posted by:6bolt4g63 at 8:15 AM 4/30/2009
I just had a quick Q, is there a difference between welding an open diff and a VLSD?? Im on a decent budget so i am going to try the welded diff first and see how it goes.
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (6bolt4g63) Posted by:zeause at 3:38 AM 5/1/2009 Nope youll get the same outcome. But if your talking for a fwd or awd(judging by 4g63) differential idk.
edit: nvmd i read under your name. lol
Post Title: Posted by:Sturge at 2:55 PM 5/20/2009
This is my diff just after welding! works a treat but scrubs like mad when trying to park!
Post Title: Posted by:AZ89two4Tsx at 4:38 AM 6/22/2009 Ok, this is probably a gay bump to some of you guys but whatever...
How long does it take to drop the diff and put a new one in? I'm contemplating just buying a separate diff (welded) and only putting it in when I want to do an event.
So yeah, how long would it take to change it? I will have access to an impact gun which I'm sure helps. Thanks.
Post Title: Re: (AZ89two4Tsx) Posted by:RustspecS13 at 7:11 AM 6/23/2009
Depending on the condition of the car, any where from 45min to 2 hours.
its really not that bad, Ive done like 5 diff installs/removes.
~Alex
Post Title: Re: (RustspecS13) Posted by:NismoZRS at 5:04 PM 7/7/2009
how hard and time consuming is it to swap differentials?? ive never had to work on one before..
i'd buying another differential soon and having it welded but i only want it on my car when i'm learning to drift..
Post Title: Re: (NismoZRS) Posted by:w0nderbr3ad at 1:25 AM 7/14/2009
When I installed my welded diff it took me just about 2hrs to do it myself with a hydraulic jack and a 100pc tool set. Welded diff gets pretty heavy to lift into place so be careful or have a friend help out too.
I've daily driven on my welded for a good year now and tire life is a bit shorter on softer tires and is decent for daily use. drifting on a welded is so much easier to learn on at a track day. After 2 track days my initiations have started a bit earlier than the first.
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (jnay) Posted by:Rlmoore88 at 11:39 AM 7/28/2009
Any shops to do this in the Southern OR area?
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (Rlmoore88) Posted by:benarovi561 at 5:38 PM 7/28/2009 anybody want to tell me why its harder to park?
Post Title: Re: welded differential.. (benarovi561) Posted by:Joe at 7:24 PM 7/28/2009
Quote, originally posted by benarovi561 »
anybody want to tell me why its harder to park?
when you take a corner, the inside wheel travels a shorter distance. hence the need for a differential. with it welded they will always want to go straight. its also why they understeer more in corners while drifting/on track.
Post Title: Posted by:AZ89two4Tsx at 12:53 PM 8/5/2009
Whoever is on the fence about one of these, just get one. Quit your b****ing.
Got mine today. Yeah the tires make noise at turns under 15mph but it's not a big deal. Much better than paying $600+ for a clutch type if you can't swing that kind of money.
Do it.
Post Title: Posted by:TerminalVelocity at 1:11 AM 8/6/2009
^what he said. Drifting is so much more predictable than with a vlsd.
Post Title: Re: (TerminalVelocity) Posted by:916drifter at 3:10 PM 8/17/2009 Seriously, if you do this as a weekend thing, or occasionally, or trying to penny pinch, which most of us do, just get it welded. There is little difference between welded and clutch. I street drove a welded, its fine, tires chirp but that's the sacrifice. I dd my 2way, yes i paid out the a55 for it, but I had the money at the time and I did not know anyone who welded at the time.
Now if you want to do this professionally, get a 2 way or 1.5 way.
on a side not, i have yet to see a blown welded diff. 2 of my friends have been drifting on them for 2+ years and like one diff fluid change. lol. They're still killing it.
Post Title: Posted by:evolve S13 at 3:40 PM 9/13/2009
Welded diff FTW, Neukin.com , not a big deal just do it who cares
Post Title: Re: (evolve S13) Posted by:rudeboy at 7:20 PM 9/17/2009 i've had the same welded in 5 240's in 8 years. almost all of em are/were RB powered and daily drifted. vlsd is poo unless you drive on the street and never track it. tire wear?, not really unless you live in a city chirpy? depending on the tires just do it
Post Title: Re: (rudeboy) Posted by:NismoZRS at 6:01 PM 10/7/2009
Quote, originally posted by rudeboy »
i've had the same welded in 5 240's in 8 years. almost all of em are/were RB powered and daily drifted. vlsd is poo unless you drive on the street and never track it. tire wear?, not really unless you live in a city chirpy? depending on the tires just do it
*Agrees completely*... if you read up i posted a few months ago when i first got my 240 that i was gonna buy another diff and swap it out for events.. i was just being a little girl... just weld yours and keep that s*** in there.. its not bad unless your a whiner because parking is "hard" or the rain.. driving welded in the rain on the streets improves how you are on the track...
Just weld it and keep it.. MAN UP!!!
Post Title: Re: (NismoZRS) Posted by:916drifter at 12:27 AM 10/23/2009
Quote, originally posted by NismoZRS »
driving welded in the rain on the streets improves how you are on the track...
Just weld it and keep it.. MAN UP!!!
Everything you said was a agreeable until you said that. If you think thats true i would be scared of your driving on and off the track.
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