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Sorry but I kinda lol'ed at that part for some reason.

I would be interested to see that

Oh it's real, I know the guy who got that letter as well as the most of the others.

There's not really any news to the situation but it's being handled.

There are still a handful of Kaizo owners out there that have not been contacted by ICE or the DOJ. Super-under-the-radar guys

" VERY TRULY YOURS " YOURS WHAT ...WTF !! ?

Anywhere but california, these cops don't check vins unless car is stolen

If your name is on title of 240, all in the clear

Why can't i do that?

You get out here in the southeast, and midwest, and a lot of hick cops don't know wtf what is...

And on top of all that, you can just say, this is a 240sx. I refabed the whole car to imitate a skyline

Done deal

Regulations suck a fatty

KA-T Coming SOON I'm F'ing Excited

Because if you do get caught doing that, you are looking at possible jail time. Is it really worth it?

Is this issue a emissions issue? or is it a crash test / compliance issue?

IF this is a emissions issue then I can help with passing the IM240 test. We use the same emissions testing that is used in California called the IM240 emissions test. I can tune cars to pass this test without issues and willing to fly to the US to help you guys out if its needed.

If you guys need some help then email me on anthonye@skylinecentral.org - or pm me on this forum and i will be able to help.

If this is true then it really sucks. I would be willing to help to fix this issue if it is needed.

To me this kind of sounds like complete bulls***. For them to approve and register a car they would know if the car is approved for registration in the country before registering it.

If this is true then i will be willing to help.

Cheers

Modified by Guilt-Toy at 5:58 PM 11/1/2009

The issue with the R32 and R34 is crash testing

Here's the real question: Why does the government spend so much time trying to keep these out of the country?

They want to tax everything, and they would make CONSIDERABLE revenue when these cars are imported, fabbed to pass crash specs, and tuned/fabbed to pass smog. It has been proven that both of these requirements can be met given the opportunity, but the federal government doesn't seem to acknowledge any of it. Can anyone help me understand big brother on this one?

I'm only 17 so hopefully before I get old enough to afford one, they'll come to their senses...

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Constitution trumps all regulations. Just need to find a honest Judge to rule in favor of the Constitution, right to property and common sense. Good luck.

P.S. all you retarded liberals please don't move to Japan and screw it up too. On second thought, I mean, call me... we can hang out. I'll even pick you up at the airport (and dump your a** in the ocean).

My current situation is just that I've been offered a trade of a non-Motorex R34 GT-R for my Motorex R32. Damned tempting, but with them cracking down, I'm not sure. But man, to have an R34 is a nice idea.

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body. The goal is to skid in broadside; tires smoking, body all dented, leaking fluids, the fuel gauge just about on empty, thoroughly used up and worn out, and loudly proclaiming---- "Holy ****---What a Ride!"

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My current situation is just that I've been offered a trade of a non-Motorex R34 GT-R for my Motorex R32. Damned tempting, but with them cracking down, I'm not sure. But man, to have an R34 is a nice idea.

Thats why I wouldn't trade a Motorex car for a non Motorex vehicle even an R34 and I really like the R34's. You just don't know the history of the vehicle and its previous owners

I find it funny how you bash the U.S. Government, but then you tell us you are an employee of the U.S. Government. Contradiction if I ever heard it, but hey. I was military too, so I have nothing against ya. And thanks.

Where in Japan are you located?

even if the car is not registered and only used at the track its still illegal simply because it was imported? or am i getting something wrong here?

If the Skyline that is imported is not on the list of eligible cars for importation, then it would have been imported illegally, thus making the car illegal no matter what.

If it's brought in as a parts only car, then it can be brought in, but if you take that car listed as parts and throw in an engine, trans and wheels on it and start driving it, you have now just gone against what the car was brought in for, thus also making it illegal.

There seem to be a lot of gray areas that people try to find a way around. But, a law is a law and if you break it, you have to face the consequences.

As it stands, only 96-98 R33 Skylines can be "imported", but because of a lot of things that have to be done to the car to get it legal, it's pretty much a losing battle.

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i'm still kinda new to all the skyline BS that happens... but let me see if i got this right... even if the car is not registered and only used at the track its still illegal simply because it was imported? or am i getting something wrong here?

Because even "track/show only" cars have specific rules on how they're imported and for how long.
Basically, the big "coming down on" that's occurring is with cars being illegally imported and/or illegally registered as if they WERE properly imported and converted.

6 months and counting and nothing has spread outside of the CA/Kaizo situation and no cars have been known to have been exported "yet". There are a select few Kaizo owners who decided to go the lone wolf route and not get with the group fighting the case which is why there is a Kaizo R34 on eBay right now for export only.

Furthermore, while VCP17 Motorex cars are the only ones deemed "legal" aside from phantom ones brought in under VCP32 (which no one has heard of any yet) don't forget that the NHTSA bond letter specifically says

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"This bond release does not constitute agreement by the NHTSA that the vehicle, in fact, is in conformance with all applicable FMVSS" "Please be advised that the NHTSA reserves the right to make a actual compliance inspection of the vehicle at a future date to verify the accuracey of the RI's certificate."

The dead horse has been beaten and it's well known that a vast majority of VCP17 Motorex cars had little to no conformance work done prior to being released or delivered. While it's almost safe to say that nothing will ever happen to VCP17 vehicles I'd always be aware of the fact that the NHTSA could inspect at any time and find discrepancies causing the vehicle to be seized or other.

None the less, at the current time Motorex vehicles are the much safer route for the next 4 years until we have the ability to bring in R32's free and clear of the NHTSA and EPA.

And I will be very honest with you on the R32-R34 trade. While it's a Motorex R32 right now, in 4 years it will just be another R32 on the road and there is no way you will ever be able to trade it for a R34 again. I'm a risk taker and a investor, I would take the trade in a heart beat, you can always sell a R34 for twice as much as a Motorex R32. We all know what the prices are like in Japan for these cars, with no NHTSA/EPA requirements on them in a few years you can imagine what the U.S. prices on these cars will look like then. A lot of people speculate that the rules will change before then not allowing them but let's be honest, they are just another car and the NHTSA could care less about the R31 and older cars so what's to say they would pitch a fit about later models as the years go by.

The facts are that CA is the biggest headache for Skylines and any other vehicle and will always be regardless of age of the vehicle. Nearly every other state could care less for the most part. In 4 years all of this import/export/NHTSA/FMVSS/EPA garbage with Skylines will slowly fade away, prices will drop significantly and you will probably see them everywhere just like Canada is now.


Modified by Vandrel at 6:08 PM 12/4/2009

Since it would be illegal I cant condone it, but it would definetly work in most non fascist ( ie non cali) states.

I titled a 240sx with silvia front end that definelty didnt look like a 240 and the guy barely looked at the car and just took the money (KY)
I have a feeling if that had been an R33 it would have been the exact same.

When the hell did you get back? Haven't seen you in ages, man. Welcome home.

And since you have changed your avatar to a new collar device, have you been promoted to Major?

He basically said that they all know that the Motorex cars almost unanimously don't have the full 100% conformance they're supposed to, but they're not going to do anything about them like call for inspections, because it's not the buyers' fault. That was the major basis of half the fraud charges brought against Hiro...he was frauding the buyers as well as the NHTSA/EPA, so they're not going to punish the buyers twice.

That info alone will be what helps the Kaizo owners out

g/l to everyone

It's mostly about them circumventing the whole import/registration process as a whole, trying to count them as kit cars, despite the final product being a full-on Nissan Skyline.