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that my friend is an awsome find... props\just have to figure out the obd2 thigy.. ohh let the debates begain
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 7:28 AM 5/22/2008 |
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InterestingLooks like I have some reading to do and some updates to our importation article. What I find interesting is there is no mention of OBD being an issue in any of the documents.


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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 7:32 AM 5/22/2008 |
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ohh yea all that work you guys did on that an now this comes out... the good the bad and the skyline... i thought it was funny
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (USsil80) | 7:36 AM 5/22/2008 |
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I have no issue with "wasted work". Legal RI's still have to go through the conversion process for it to get a federal bond. The information in the addendum is still _just_ for the R33 since those were the only ones crash tested so I do not believe it covers R32 nor R34.The addendum looks to have been added simply because the JK confidentiality agreement had expired.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 10:21 AM 5/22/2008 |
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so it is just a r33... but this being released changes alot for importing a skyline... and will drop the price of a bond released skyline to now that any Ri can do it
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 10:56 AM 5/22/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by audtatious » | I have no issue with "wasted work". Legal RI's still have to go through the conversion process for it to get a federal bond. The information in the addendum is still _just_ for the R33 since those were the only ones crash tested so I do not believe it covers R32 nor R34.
| yes you can federalize a R34 since we have one in PR federalized,. know what changes or what RI was used i cant remember.. but im sure an RI can find out what they need to do.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (EL MAMITO USMC) | 1:12 PM 5/22/2008 |
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See, that information is something I can't find. Since the crash tests were R33, the only vehicles that can be federalized are those which correspond. JK actually tried to get the ability to federalize the R34 but the DOT denied their ability. The article above simply opens the flood gates for the approved R33's because they released the confidential information the JK had.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 12:45 AM 5/23/2008 |
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Great info! So is it just the airbag system that they are concerned about? What about the glass and bumpers(metal cores)? Are the headlights plastic? I know S14's (Zenki) are availiable in Japan with glass or plastic. Thanks guys!
 1995 S14 Zenki SE with alot of goodies! 1969 Boss 302 1 of 1628!!
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (BLKTOPS14SR) | 4:18 AM 5/23/2008 |
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lst time i read that (without the add. A) it stated that the headlights are DOT stamped
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (USsil80) | 11:09 PM 5/23/2008 |
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I thought so but didn't know for sure. Sweet deal either way.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (BLKTOPS14SR) | 11:15 PM 5/23/2008 |
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All of this info is so confusing. Im looking to bring a car over for track purposes only. Will it make it into the states if I pick it up and trailor it back?

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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Camo) | 1:28 AM 5/24/2008 |
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http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rule....html Here ya go.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (BLKTOPS14SR) | 2:24 AM 5/24/2008 |
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Wow, read alot more of it all tonight. Not much is really needed to be done. Being that the R33 and S14 are close cousins. Great deal!
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (BLKTOPS14SR) | 10:44 PM 6/4/2008 |
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sticky?
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 10:56 PM 6/7/2008 |
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yes they are very easy modshere is my q if you managed to bring one over here, can you have a shop/you do the mods rather than the RI? if im not mistaken as long as it meets the nhtsa (sp) standards its fine? (not counting the obd problem)
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (jdmflcl) | 10:29 AM 6/8/2008 |
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there is only one problem... you have to get the air bag from JK.... nless you can bolt a s14 wheel to it
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (jdmflcl) | 5:11 PM 6/8/2008 |
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mods have to be done through a registered importer, furthermore before the vehicle even is shipped it needs to be arranged with a registered importer to be shipped to their facility.vehicles have to imported and brought into compliance with a registered importer and then be approved through the nhtsa. additionally the registered importer will either have to be a independant commercial importer or know of one to work through in order to cover the epa requirments for the 96-98 r33's. simple route i am taking to conduct my business is getting approved as a registered importer and added to the list so i can legally do everything myself and out-source for whatever parts i need that i dont already have.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 6:48 PM 6/8/2008 |
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soo what is your companys name... any idea on the epa thing
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 7:02 PM 6/8/2008 |
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how much would you want for a specced up GTR? like if i bought the skyline in japan and you acted as the RI to bring it in and mod itid be interested
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Vandrel

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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (jdmflcl) | 7:11 PM 6/18/2008 |
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I will have solid prices and detailed information on my services and products later this year. Right now it is in the works.If you want to send me specific questions feel free to email me, mccarty2003@yahoo.com Steve
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 1:44 AM 6/28/2008 |
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i was thinking now if everyone is ok with this idea. theirs like 99000 members on this site right. why not have every one put in like 10 bucks. thats almost a mill. we buy r32's and r34's have them crash tested like the r33 and get all the paper work done for them. just an idea im throwing out their. i want an r32 gtr and would like to not have to look over my shoulder all the time.
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| « Re: (MostH8D) | 8:04 AM 6/28/2008 |
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i was thinking i could manage the money. lol
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thats actually an awesome idea... and i would be willing to throw 10 in there. let the mod hold it, and get all his contact info, and a written notificatino for every donate.

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| « Re: (lemon) | 11:01 AM 6/28/2008 |
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I would be cautious on that, I knew of a guy who had a shared Paypal account for a group effort and one of them cleaned out everything and ditched town. Pretty ugly stuff. I'd be more then happy to drop a donations section on my shop's site once I start getting into the fabrication phase for a cost effective OBDII system. If everyone pitched in a decent amount I would even be willing to do some kind of super discount on completed vehiles up for sale.
Just tossing stuff out there for right now, we'll see how things roll later this year. :D
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (TekuDrifter18) | 11:26 AM 6/28/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by TekuDrifter18 » | | i want an r32 gtr and would like to not have to look over my shoulder all the time. |
Well, there's always 2014.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (TekuDrifter18) | 7:55 PM 6/29/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by TekuDrifter18 » | | i was thinking now if everyone is ok with this idea. theirs like 99000 members on this site right. why not have every one put in like 10 bucks. thats almost a mill. we buy r32's and r34's have them crash tested like the r33 and get all the paper work done for them. just an idea im throwing out their. i want an r32 gtr and would like to not have to look over my shoulder all the time. |
o man thats alot of R32's and 4's. When r32's already fetch a premium. You have to crash test them all differently to pass, like its 45 front, 45 side, and 5 front and 5side. I cant remeber all of them but theres a few and you have to have a different car for all of them, o rollover's another one. Man id hate to watch all that happening, id just be crying. haha
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (jdmpurest) | 12:45 AM 7/1/2008 |
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So, bottom line.If someone said money is no object. would it be possible to bring an R34 to California? If so how much would it cost to have a California plate? dk
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (d k) | 2:47 AM 7/1/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by d k » | | So, bottom line. If someone said money is no object. would it be possible to bring an R34 to California? If so how much would it cost to have a California plate? dk |
It can be done, just depends on what you are looking for in the product
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 6:06 AM 7/1/2008 |
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Correct.....It would still not be fed-legal regardless. As long as the person buying the car knows what they are getting (or not getting as the case may be) I'm all for it. Great cars.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (d k) | 8:08 AM 7/1/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by d k » | | So, bottom line. If someone said money is no object. would it be possible to bring an R34 to California? If so how much would it cost to have a California plate? dk |
Find someone who has a Motorex imported R34 with all supporting documents. That covers the NHTSA stuff but I'm not sure about smog. Altho, once you own the car I would think this is the sort of problem that can be handled. It may even be legal to swap in a VG35 for emissions (engine must be same year or newer than the chassis, so no VG30).
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 10:27 AM 7/1/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by audtatious » | | Correct..... It would still not be fed-legal regardless. As long as the person buying the car knows what they are getting (or not getting as the case may be) I'm all for it. Great cars. |
As he said, money is no object. The R32 and 34 were removed because they were never crash tested. Therefor all that needs to be done is someone drop a good chunck of cash to bring in 10 vehicles, 5 of each, for crash testing. Once the data is approved via NHTSA it's free game.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 3:38 PM 7/1/2008 |
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Nope. JK Technologies tried to do just that but the Feds would not allow them (banned is the word that was used).
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 5:48 PM 7/1/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by audtatious » | | Nope. JK Technologies tried to do just that but the Feds would not allow them (banned is the word that was used). |
The word banned was never used. However the word bar is used which is stating that they are no longer allowing the elligibility of R32 and R34 models under VCP-17 (which covered all 3 models). VCP-17 was closed and VCP-32 was created to cover the 96-98 R33.
Now, given that VCP-32 covers the 96-98 R33, that means that once the vehicle becomes older then 25 years old that it no longer falls under VCP-32. Reason for this is that the non-conforming elligible list only covers vehicles that are not older then 25 years. They are 2 seperate sections which essentially means once the a Skyline chassis reaches over 25 years it can be brought in legally and not be required to comply with such standards that are currently being required in VCP-32 or previously in VCP-17. Docket NHTSA-2005-22654-0037
This document announces a final decision by NHTSA to partially rescind a prior decision by the agency that 1990-1999 Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards (FMVSS) are eligible for importation into the United States. As a result of this decision, only Nissan R33 model GTS and GTR passenger cars manufactured between January 1996 and June 1998 are eligible for importation. All other model and model year vehicles admissible under the prior decision are no longer eligible for importation. As a consequence, the agency is rescinding vehicle eligibility number VCP-17, which covered vehicles admissible under the prior decision, and issuing vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to cover only those model and model year Nissan GTS nd GTR passenger cars that remain eligible for importation. The rescission will only bar the future importation of the model and model year Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars that are no longer eligible for importation, and will not affect the status of vehicles that have already been lawfully imported under vehicle eligibility number VCP-17. http://www.regulations.gov/fdm...22654 JK Tech only conducted crash testing on the R33 GTR model. They used 2 chassis for the tests and then submitted the data to NHTSA. In the information and link provided it specifically says that at the time of petition NHTSA was not provided details on the R32 and R34 chassis, they were lead to beleive that all 3 models were similar at the time of petition and thus resulted in their decision to allow all 3 models. Later on NHTSA received statements from Nissan of Japan that all 3 models differ and cash results would be different between each model. Thus lead to the partial recind published by NHTSA which only accepted the R33 due to it's extensive crash test results and modification data submitted. There was nothing to support the R32 and R34 models to prove they could be brought into standards as JK Tech did not do so with these models.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 8:06 PM 7/1/2008 |
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Yes, I'm aware. I also misread the post as the words "legal Skyline R34" never appear within the question.So....Legal and R34 do not correlate, but, since the poster does not care about legality then I would say find a more forgiving state than California to have one imported and have it registered in that state. Mississippi, Louisiana and a few others seem to be more lenient.
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (I_Farted) | 2:16 AM 7/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by audtatious » | | Yes, I'm aware. I also misread the post as the words "legal Skyline R34" never appear within the question. So....Legal and R34 do nor correlate, but, since the poster does not care about legality then I would say find a more forgiving state than California to have one imported and have it registered in that state. Mississippi, Louisiana and a few others seem to be more lenient. |
The general conclusion of my post clearly outlines how it is possible to make R34's legal. But the proper channels must be tapped first in order to have them approved
| Quote, originally posted by I_Farted » | Wait a minute..DOnt forget...You can get legal skylines here without any hassel if they are O.G. monsters like this one...

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Yes most certainly
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| « Re: (MostH8D) | 5:49 AM 7/2/2008 |
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I would love to have one of those old beasts
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (Vandrel) | 7:40 AM 7/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by Vandrel » | The general conclusion of my post clearly outlines how it is possible to make R34's legal. But the proper channels must be tapped first in order to have them approved |
That was not my point at all. I fully understand the "methods" used to legalize the R33's and why R32's and R34's can no longer be legalized. I went through all of that when I helped write our importing article. In order for R34's to be legalized then the NHTSA must be open to accepting another crash-testing initiative for the R34's. JK Technologies tried to go that route but were denied. NHTSA is not accepting any application to perform testing in order to legalize R34's in the US. The words I received from those working with JK Tech were "The R34 is baned from the US forever. Same with the R32." which is pretty accurate since the NHTSA will not allow any legalization route for those vehicles.
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| « Re: (Vandrel) | 7:41 AM 7/2/2008 |
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Not that hard to find. Just cost more then a R34!
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| « Re: Getting a legal Skyline, now it is possible and easier (audtatious) | 12:02 PM 7/2/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by audtatious » | The words I received from those working with JK Tech were "The R34 is baned from the US forever. Same with the R32." which is pretty accurate since the NHTSA will not allow any legalization route for those vehicles. |
JK Tech is not the NHTSA nor do they have a say so in customs. NHTSA specifically did not say "R34 models and R32 models are banned....forever!" Infact as I posted they said quite clearly why they created VCP-32 and closed VCP-17, none of which discussed or mentioned banning of any vehicles. Under the 25 year rule they will be elligible to be brought in, regardless. The entire ordeal was due to safety standards. Can you provide a link to a docket or petition from JK Tech specifically requesting NHTSA to reconsider the R34.
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