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In my inbox today:

Ray, I was informed that you are building a remote mount turbo system for your vehicle and wanted to contact you. FYI - STS owns the patent on building and installing remote mounted turbo systems. We do offer individual and bulk licensing agreements so that people can legally fabricate remote mount turbos so please contact us. Operating under our license is the best way to ensure that you are not infringing on our patents and also ensures that you will get the proper parts and engineering/technical support to do the job properly and end up with a system that works well.

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http://www.STSTurbo.com


Funny huh? I was just kicking the idea around, but never got around to it because a guy I chatted with who built one was having issues with his setup that I was going to replicate.

Oddest thing is, it has been a good number of months since I last spoke about doing the project. Bunch of bums can't read time stamps on forums.

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They just earned an irrevocable F from me...



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Quote, originally posted by frapjap »

I want to reply with something cunning and witty.
Whatcha'll got?

how about.......I do what I want.

they cannot put a patent on the placement of a part. unless you are using sts parts and reselling it, they dont have a case.




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Seriously though, I want these guys to think. I actually have plans/gone through with the build, piss them off, and waste their time like they are mine.

Keep it comin'!

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Ask to see the patent and then post it on here so we can find loopholes and render it completely useless.
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Hang on....

By remote mounted turbo, you mean a rear-mounted turbo?

They hold the PATENT to the entire idea of doing it?

Don't people do that all the time? I know I've heard a lot of Corvette owners talk about it.



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Ask to see the patent and then post it on here so we can find loopholes and render it completely useless.

Will do! I hope I actually get it!

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Here is what I sent as a reply to Mr. Hardass Rick:

Good Afternoon Rick,

Thanks for the FYI. I am concerned. May I see the patent written out word for word, and possibly high light where "STS owns the patent on building and installing remote mounted turbo systems," for me. You could also scan it onto an email attachment for further clarity. I've seen quite the number of Corvette owners who seem to be doing pretty well with their own DIY mimics of your product.

Also, as far as I'm aware, I'm fairly certain that you can't patent a location. This comes logically to me considering that many other companies such as Greedy don't have a claim against anyone who builds or pieces together their own system that mimics their product.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon!


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Quote, originally posted by frapjap »
location. This comes logically to me considering that many other companies such as Greedy don't have a claim against anyone who builds or pieces together their own system that mimics their product.

Ray

way to be professional, you spelled greddy wrong. jk.

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I guess they should sue AMS while they're at it too huh? I mean their evo has its turbo down by the front bumper, that seems pretty remote to me.




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keep us updated, im curious what they will respond with.

and for the record, as you seem well aware of, as long as you make everything yourself, and dont use their parts... you can do whatever the hell you want.. you can even market the system as your own, as long as you do not directly copy their parts.

its the same thing as "greddy style" blow off valves, and other "____ style" like parts.




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I call BS, the guys probally in sales and just heard you were doing a remote mount and decided to try and scare you into buying their stuff. I can't see how they could get a patent for a specific way of mounting a turbo, i also don't believe they are the first to do this. BTW i saw these guys on horsepower TV a while back doing a TT setup on a corvette, it would be intresting to see if any other companies make remote mount kits for the vette, that would pretty much shoot down their "patent" on the spot.
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I clicked on this expecting to see:
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You should simply ask how you are infringing on a patent when you are building the system for yourself and not for the purpose of selling. I won't be surprised if they don't provide you with the patent.

Jeers at STS for threatening you.




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Here is my new email from them:

I’d be glad to send you some information. The patent information is located on our website - http://www.ststurbo.com/patent - and it does cover the location as it is ‘turbo system and method of installation’. There have been some violators out there and we have shut a lot of them down and are continuing to enforce our patent and IP. Most people don’t understand the extent of coverage and protection that a patent provides. Our patents are very extensive and cover just about everything concerned with remote mounting a turbocharger. Greddy doesn’t have the patent on a front mount turbo system as that is the conventional way of doing it and you can’t patent something that everyone is already doing. So you are free to build your own front mount turbo system and nobody would care. STS pioneered this technology years ago and consequently was awarded patents for it. We are pretty easy to work with and have programs set up to help people do exactly what you are trying to figure out.

Best Regards,
Rick Squires


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165 N. 1330 W. Suite A-4

Orem, Utah 84057

Phone: 866-WE TURBO

Fax: (801) 607-6846

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Jeers at STS for threatening you.

Seconded.

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http://www.ststurbo.com/patent

Doesn't seem to thorough to me... ::shrug::

Witty replies anyone?

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Wow...I'm utterly disgusted at STS. I doubt it's an original idea to any real extent and even then, there is nothing distinct about his product that rally warrants a patent. This is one more reason we need patent reform. I read through the 1st patent on the page and skimmed the second. as they are both long reads and frankly, both look very similar. The second patent is probably a variation of the first with additions to maybe remove some weaknesses in the original patent language. And it's doubtful he'll actually post up the patents in their full text as they really boast nothing that staes to me that this guy is a genius inventor. From a business standpoint, I can understand his reason for getting a patent but the protection he really needs is from other businesses who try and use his business idea. Not from private individuals who aren't profiting from something like this. But I guess, if he has enough time to spend worrying about this, then he must not have enough work coming in.

I guess it's a good thing I never cared for remote mounted turbos.



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I still think remote mounted turbos is a silly idea.



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Here you go have fun finding loopholes.


1st one: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...5,568

2nd one:
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So I read the patent and basically it states that if I want to mount a turbo outside of the engine bay I am in violation of STS's patents?? F*CK THAT SH*T!! Sorry Ricky but you can suck my left nut!! This is America, I can mount my turbo where ever the f*ck I want!!




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HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.

Rick, I hope you're reading this... You're about to make your company look very, very silly.

You can mount a turbocharger on your car anywhere you want, and there's not a DAMN thing STS can do about it.

Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

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eff that ish.. I'll mount a turbo in the trunk of my 4 door S14 if I feel like it bub!



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saying that because it is out of the norm that you can patent and say "pay me now" is kinda funky... i suggest contacting the patent office-my buddy works there i will give him a holla- and See if this is a BS patent



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HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.


Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

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[QUOTE=AZhitman]HAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!!

This might make front-page news.


Someone link this on the F-Body forums, this is a hoot.

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A turbocharger system for a combustion engine and method of installing a turbocharger system includes a turbocharger having an oil inlet configured for being coupled to a pressure side of an oiling system and an oil outlet. An oil pump is connected to the oil outlet of the turbocharger and is further connected to the oiling system. The turbocharger system also includes mounting hardware for mounting the turbocharger to an exhaust pipe away from the engine at or below the oil level of the oiling system. In one embodiment, the method of installing the turbocharger system includes removing an existing muffler from the vehicle and mounting the turbocharger in the location of the existing muffler.

First of all its THE not A pressure side theres only one
Second the part about the pump? Lotsa people do that already on front mount turbos (pretty common on foci) thats not patentable and should pretty much invalidate this.
Third, as long as you don't mount the turbo in the exact locatio nthe original muffler was in your fine...read the last line.

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Chano is right - This definitely means patent reform is needed.

None of you clowns better build a blinged-out, high-hp droptop, I'd hate to sue you for coppin' my style.

BTW, I think Knight is doing some remote turbo stuff too, IIRC.

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BOOO TO STS

we have looked at doing a couple systems for customers from them but will now EMPHATICALLY suggest someone else

way to bully the little guy you ****ing greedy pricks.

this is going on LS1 tech if its not already there. what a crock of bull****



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Just tell them you mounted YOUR turbo 3mm left of where the muffler used to be.

Not violating your precious patent now are we rico swarve!!!

PS. I'm in Australia, and I am going to go into business remote mounting turbos.... everyone can copy my idea for free, I give you full permission. So come and get me STS nut jobs!!!

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Also, to Rick, does that mean you will try to stop anyone doing their own custom work, to their own car, that resembles your crappy setup?

I'll do anything I want to my own car, and if you don't like it, I have a nice hairy nutsack you can suck on.
BTW: Anyone who wants to do a remote mount turbo setup, make sure you tell everyone it's an ozzie! "style" remote mount system, not that lame STS jive....

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Link it up, Big Dawg!

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...80779

i hate it when corporations play gorilla chest pounding bull**** with the little guy.

STS is on my **** list.

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http://www.bitlaw.com/patent/requirements.html

The sections about the novelty and nonobviousness tends to get to me. Depending on how it's worded in the actual law, the remote aspect of the design would appear to be pretty obvious. I would say the big reasoning behind not seeing such a product sooner is two-fold. Turbocharging didn't become commonly used in the aftermarket until the early 90's. And from a performance aspect, it offered too much compromise. If anything could be patented perhaps his spin on the "benefits" of the remote mounted turbo.

All said and done though, if he were to actually file a suit against an individual, the potential award amount would likely be less than the legal costs to even file such a suit, let alone litigate. If I truly desired to build a remote mount system for my own use, I'd simply call his bluff in this little poker game he's playing.

Considering if I were to consider this licensing cost he wants to collect, the better option then clearly becomes going to a traditional mounted turbo system. Especially since it will perform better anyways.

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