Nissan 240sx vs Honda Si

[iNfamous240]

i just want to know which one do you guys think that would turn out better if you fully build and turbo them, spending the same amount of money. B16a or ka24de ???

[3rD GeAr]

man. thats a crazy question to ask on a ka24 forum. u can build either of them to be fast. it just depends on the amount of money u are willing to spend.

[iNfamous240]

i guess this questions is the same as asking which is better sr or ka

[Nathan]

Oh, no it's much worse than that.

Edit: I'll try to be helpful this time around:The B16 is obviously 1.6 liters, the KA24 is obviously 2.4 liters. This means that the KA is one third larger than the B16, thats a good bit when your talking about engines this small. I know, I know...VTEC makes up for that, well it does to a degree but there is NO way the 1.6 will ever have the kind of torque that the KA has. Furthermore, despite the fact that the B16 can rev better, which would you rather have? usable power down low in the rev range, or very peaky power that you dont really see the most of until above 6000rpms. You tell me which is more pleasant to drive. I'm certain your asking in relation to a street car so I'm also certain that quality of driving is at least minutely important to you. If this was a race application, there are ways to shift the rpm band up and increase the rev range of a KA as well. I just cant believe your asking this question about the gutless wonder B16. I can MAYBE see a comparison against a K20 or H22 because they are a little more on par with each other, but not that pos 1.6 liter.

[aleph1]

KA24DE has much more potential than a B16 (clearly the B16 is already near its max potential if it makes it hp at high high rpms, not counting in the turbo), but the B16a already has a buncha parts and research done to it cuz its much more popular than the KA.

I wouldnt bother with the B16, Id much rather turbo a B18C1 (GSR) engine....if we are talking honda.

[WDRacing]

Oh, no it's much worse than that.

Edit: I'll try to be helpful this time around:

Good job Nathan...I would have let you slide on this one though.

WD

[Nathan]

I MUST be in a good mood if I dont bash somebody for that question

[iNfamous240]

WHAT do you guys have against hondas?

[mean green s14]

they're wrong wheel drive for starters as for the rest, well how much time ya got?

[TurboKA37]

a lot of the people on these boards dont like hondas, alot because of the reputation ricers have given them. too many of them going around with large wings and a loud muffler and since about 99% of NICO members are performance oriented, they dont like that

[Nathan]

That and they are open decked, torqueless wonders that don't take boost well without heavy modifications. Call me crazy, I dont like my cylinders wiggling around.

[Nismo_yo]

Plus i honestly believe every part on those cars are made to break, why do you think EVERY part is available in the aftermarket?

[Nathan]

They have aftermarket blocks now too We KA's dont need no stinkin aftermarket blocks!!

[TurboKA37]

its cuz ricers arent intelligent enough to kno what is neccessary and whats not so they just buy every product they see.

[aleph1]

I honestly wouldnt mind having a CRX or EG6 with a B18C1 turbo....Honda isn't ALL bad, they are good cars if you are mature enough.

[mean green s14]

well in my opinion hondas are a dime a dozen!how many 97 s14 240s are around, compared to civics?lets just say i dont ever get my car lost in a parking lot!!!

[TachyonS14]

^ I'm with you brother! I'm very proud when driving my car around town while gettin the stare look and the open jaw syndrome.

[mean green s14]

yeah whens the last time you seen a 240sx with a 98 civic front end on it, my kouki headlights and fenders came on my 240, if those civic guys want a 240 id suggest they buy one , thats what i did! its not that difficult,otherwise i guess they can keep drifting with the old cookie sheets under the wheels crankin on the e-brake, following the light up type-r badge of there buddy in front of them swooping throught the night like like all the other ricers, who shop at autozone! remember this if you learn anything "racing a civic is like the special olympics, even if you win your still retarded!"

[aleph1]

You guys are very ignorant to bag on Hondas just because the only noticable ones are usually riced out. Dont blame the car, blame the person.

Sure they are FF, not good for drifting, but drifting IS NOT the only type of motorsport out there. Honda pretty much single handedly started this whole sport compact revolution here in the states. I not saying you HAVE to like them, but at least give the machines some respect.

[Nathan]

Why? You didn't address a single one of my complaints

[iNfamous240]

it seems kinda funny how little the honda engines are and how most of you guys are talking bad about them when stock gsr's can beat stock 240's anytime. Dont get me wrong, i love 240's... I just made the switch from a 99 civic to a 96 240 and i loveeee my 240 way more then the mini civic that i used to own.

[Nathan]

Why do you think we are in the KAT forum? There's nothing stock about my KA, I wouldn't want a stock one either

[aleph1]

Why? You didn't address a single one of my complaints

Ive seen a turbo typerR running 10lbs of boost and making 330whp and 230lbs/ft, its VERY USABLE. Id like to see ANY KAT running only 10lbs of boost making that kinda HP. And its in an EG6 chassis which only weights like 2200lbs. Explain how this does not demand respect? Even a modded NA type R can pull some impressive numbers for only 1.8 liters. I guess F1 cars dont earn any respect either cuz they have to be reved high for their usable power range as well. Honda engines have more in common with actual race cars than any 240. Low displacement with high revving capabilites.

BTW-Im not talking stock anything here, thats pointless. When I refer to honda I mean modded, even though plenty of their engines can hold their own stock. Same with the 240, stock is retarded.

Just give respect where its obviously do, thats all Im saying.

[Nathan]

Do you have a dyno chart of that? I'd like to see how much of a powerband that engine had out of curiosity, I'd also like to know what turbo it was using, I'll bet it was something pretty danged large that didn't see full boost until 5 or 6k rpms at least. Still though, 230lb. ft. of torque is small beans, I dont like having to wind an engine up THAT high to make power. I agree though, stock is pointless although I DO hate those open deck block designs.

[WDRacing]

I'd take an S2000, sleeve the block, 9.0/1 CR psitons, new cams, head port, GT30 and run about 20 lbs of boost.

Oh, for the record Aleph1, If I run 10/1 CR in a KA with a 90/10 toulene/water mix I'll make more HP and Q then the above stated Honda. But I just like to argue...heh.

WD

[aleph1]

http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/sfjl.html

No dyno, but on a T3/T4 not some T66 or something.

WD: Ya but this is like way less work, its just stock comp (for all I know) and no mixing of fuels. I meant like comparable KAT, this honda looks like it has just like the equivalent of any avg KA turbo kit.

It doesnt really matter if an engine makes its power higher in the rpm band, i mean when you race you would shift up there anyway and it would only fall back like 1-2K and go up again. Its all relative. The launch maybe different or something, but other than that its really not as weird or bad and you may think.

I would KILL for a Caterham Super7 R500, 230@8600, 155lbs/ft@7200 redline 9200rpm NA 1.8L I4 hp in a VERY light body (roughly 1030lbs).

0-30 in 1.6sec, 0-60 is something like 3.4sec, 0-100-0 in 11.44sec, in some tests its faster than a McLaren F1. I realize this speed is achived with a combination of a very light curb weight as well as the engine output, but still...whats so bad about high revving, small displacement engines again?

[Project DC2]

Do you have a dyno chart of that? I'd like to see how much of a powerband that engine had out of curiosity, I'd also like to know what turbo it was using, I'll bet it was something pretty danged large that didn't see full boost until 5 or 6k rpms at least. Still though, 230lb. ft. of torque is small beans, I dont like having to wind an engine up THAT high to make power. I agree though, stock is pointless although I DO hate those open deck block designs.

there ya go .. this was on a T3 super 60 which was way undersized for the 2.0 liter and when i dynoed on the 1.8 liter motor the internal wastegate ( with adj acuator arm) wasnt adjusted all teh way closed (* had a gap so increase in lag big time) i did this because of my POS autometer registered 14 psi when the car was really only running at 6 or 7. problem was figured out later and gauge was replaced and wastegate actuator closed, 3500= full spool to 9 psi 4400 to 14 psi. this turbo is way more efficnet on my LS motor set up than my B20 motor( honda crv)

eat em baby .. 262 WHP and 254 wheel torque

[WDRacing]

Ok Ok...Lets just settle this. The Honda Vtec series motor is a decent high revving little turd. Show me one that will beat me at the track. Until then, I don't want to hear anymore Honda lovin garbage on here. By beat me at the track, I mean a guy who will personally race me, not an mpeg of some car.

WD

[Project DC2]

Ok Ok...Lets just settle this. The Honda Vtec series motor is a decent high revving little turd. Show me one that will beat me at the track. Until then, I don't want to hear anymore Honda lovin garbage on here. By beat me at the track, I mean a guy who will personally race me, not an mpeg of some car.

WD

my cars non-vtec :icesangel

[kevdog240]

lets just say i dont ever get my car lost in a parking lot!!!

i dont know man. even a camry is higher then my car now that its lowered. ive lost it a few times......but im not the smartest guy