VQ35DE in S13 in progress.....

Post by **irax** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:06 am

g35paul wrote:i recently just blew my motor in my s/c g35 and its now getting a fresh motor,so im going to have a spare vq and im going to be throwing it in my s13.... i was wondering why u guys go with a fwd vq motor, they r not the same as what ive been told by sharif at forged.... just wondering

they are not the same as in one went into a fwd car and one went into a rwd car,

but they are the same as parts interchange when switching platforms IHE,cams,upper oilpan, most sensors, you can use a rwd trans.

the fwd motors have the same cams, but static ignition is 10:1 (IIRC) instead of 11:1 (Again IIRC probably discussed in this thread too)

Getting a FWD block will cost you anywhere from $150 - $1000 at the MOST

where as a rwd block starts at $1200 and goes up from there.

in the end switching out parts like the oilpans, intake, headers, it will still be cheaper than purchasing a RWD block.

the most hp i have seen on a fwd block is like.. ~500 so i dont know if they will be as good for higher hp like the rwd blocks have been seen at

Post by **SR24DET** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:29 am

g35paul wrote:i recently just blew my motor in my s/c g35 and its now getting a fresh motor,so im going to have a spare vq and im going to be throwing it in my s13.... i was wondering why u guys go with a fwd vq motor, they r not the same as what ive been told by sharif at forged.... just wondering

I agree with what irax said. I'm swaping a FWD VQ into my S13. Im not doing it cause i think its cooler. There is a huge price difference. When I did all the research to do my swap I started looking for a motor. The cheapest running Z/G35 motor I could find was $2700. That puts out 280hp. Then I looked up the VQ motor and found all the cars it comes in. Almost all of the newer nissans. The most HP VQ motor, other then the Z/G35 is the maxima. This is only 10HP lower at 270HP. This running motor goes for $500-$1000. I have found a couple for $500. That is such a big $ difference, for people on a budget, it makes you think hard about your options. The differences between them are there. The blocks are made out of the same material. The mounting points on them are different. The bore and stroke are the same. The heads are almost the same, but do have some differences. One example of this is that the vavles are bigger. The intake manifolds are way different. The Z/G35 is far less restrictive. They both are OBDII and use drive by wire. To save me alot of money Im picking the Maxima VQ and puting the Z/G35 oil pan, flywheel, clutch, starter, tranny, P/S, Alternator, and intake manifold. Later im gona swap heads also. I have found the heads as cheap as $100. Im gona use a pathfinder throttle body because its a cable throttle. In the end this will put down about the same HP as a Z/G35 motor, and I save thousands.

Post by **98whitemax** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:48 pm

anyone know how i can get a hold of SpecDRacingi tried emailing him but nothing. i know hes very busy guy but i need his services thanks

Post by **rb26kid** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:04 pm

wtf is wrong with you, those motors blow so easily, i mean yea there torquey, but ****, go buy a sr20 and do internals and boost it to the max, itll be way more with your time and money... lol

screw both those motors, go get a RB ^_^ zer...67248#

Post by **s13_350sx** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:49 pm

why the hell would i want to replace my 17 year old engine with another 17 year old engine when i can use a 2 year old engine with all parts available locally? And you can build a vq also so why would i waste my money on an old sr20 that everybody and there grandma has? The vq swap turns heads. Im not knocking on the sr or rb guys, there great swaps but they are heavily outdated.

Post by **sbird1** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:51 am

irax, can I see some pics of your car? It sounds very different. I would like to see it!

Post by **SR24DET** » Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:00 am

I know plent of people that race with maximas and Z's. None of them have blown there motors? Thats BS. Also you said buy a SR20 and put internals in it. LOL. Why not buy a VQ and put internals in it. That will make more power and be stronger.

Post by **RideNslidE** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:40 am

does anyone know if the dash harness from any other year 350z will work with an 05 engine ecm and bcm?

Post by **irax** » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:27 pm

sbird1 wrote:irax, can I see some pics of your car? It sounds very different. I would like to see it!

most my pictures are in myspace so you can see them here

http://viewmorepics.myspace.co...67207

Post by **RideNslidE** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:47 am

thanks for the pics of the steering clearance. ive been looking for those.

Post by **irax** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:30 am

RideNslidE wrote:does anyone know if the dash harness from any other year 350z will work with an 05 engine ecm and bcm?

i am pretty sure that 05/06/07 dash harness might be useable.... honestly it doesnt matter aslong as you get the right things to connect toeach other.

Post by **myS13wantsaVQ35** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:38 am

i have always heard no!

Post by **RideNslidE** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:21 pm

heres what i have so far

and the carnot sure if I'm going to use this hatch or my slightly crappier 93 auto coupe.

Post by **98whitemax** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:01 pm

^^^^^^^^ nice vq35 is the way to go. i am currently working on building my engine to drop it in my s14. good luck on the swap

Post by **myS13wantsaVQ35** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:11 pm

its a lot of work but it is worth it.

Post by **irax** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:45 am

myS13wantsaVQ35 wrote:i have always heard no!

well you can fit anything but your going to have to repin plugs i'm always against repinning plugs but since you pretty much HAVE to do it in this swap anyways the most it will do is add maybe 4 or more hours into wiring. but to be safe just get everything from the same year car, and if possible same trim too.

Post by **g35paul** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:01 am

so i

SR24DET wrote:
I agree with what irax said. I'm swaping a FWD VQ into my S13. Im not doing it cause i think its cooler. There is a huge price difference. When I did all the research to do my swap I started looking for a motor. The cheapest running Z/G35 motor I could find was $2700. That puts out 280hp. Then I looked up the VQ motor and found all the cars it comes in. Almost all of the newer nissans. The most HP VQ motor, other then the Z/G35 is the maxima. This is only 10HP lower at 270HP. This running motor goes for $500-$1000. I have found a couple for $500. That is such a big $ difference, for people on a budget, it makes you think hard about your options. The differences between them are there. The blocks are made out of the same material. The mounting points on them are different. The bore and stroke are the same. The heads are almost the same, but do have some differences. One example of this is that the vavles are bigger. The intake manifolds are way different. The Z/G35 is far less restrictive. They both are OBDII and use drive by wire. To save me alot of money Im picking the Maxima VQ and puting the Z/G35 oil pan, flywheel, clutch, starter, tranny, P/S, Alternator, and intake manifold. Later im gona swap heads also. I have found the heads as cheap as $100. Im gona use a pathfinder throttle body because its a cable throttle. In the end this will put down about the same HP as a Z/G35 motor, and I save thousands.

guess im just luck to already have a vq35 rwd....btw i got my new motor for the G for $900 shipped and is an 03 non rev with 15k miles on it, so the rwd are not that much more.... my350z or g35driver

Post by **RideNslidE** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:43 am

RideNslidE wrote: did anyone utilize the ipdm (engine relay/fuse block) if not how did you bypass the starter / ignition / throttle control motor relays.

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im kind of in a bind. i can get this cheap now so im trying to figure out if i need this of not.

Post by **myS13wantsaVQ35** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:53 pm

buy an A.E.M. ecu.

Post by **irax** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:03 pm

g35paul wrote:so i

guess im just luck to already have a vq35 rwd....btw i got my new motor for the G for $900 shipped and is an 03 non rev with 15k miles on it, so the rwd are not that much more.... my350z or g35driver

for just the motor itself or motor with trans harness and ecu? because if you got the whole package you got a screwing steel... if its just the block by itself then you paid a little below average. You can get a complete fwd motor set for that much and then a few hundred more with IHE and upper and lower oil pan it will be rwd compatable and ready for a swap.

Post by **RideNslidE** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:42 pm

myS13wantsaVQ35 wrote:buy an A.E.M. ecu.

well i would but i would like to retain the stock equipment to make it legal in CA someday and i don't want to pay for the vvt tuning just to get it close to stock power. also i allready have the ecm and bcm from the engine. my initial question about the engine fuse block still stands. any help will be great.

Post by **VQ30DET S13** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:51 pm

rb26kid wrote:wtf is wrong with you, those motors blow so easily, i mean yea there torquey, but ****, go buy a sr20 and do internals and boost it to the max, itll be way more with your time and money... lol

screw both those motors, go get a RB ^_^ zer...67248#

A VQ is better than an RB in almost every way. You need to do some more research.

Post by **myS13wantsaVQ35** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:09 pm

hey I had all of that stuff when I was doing my motor swap and all from the same car, and it was not worth the cost to use it.

Post by **RideNslidE** » Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:52 pm

well if you did the swap yourself maybe it would have been worth it. since i am already set on getting it SMOG'ed one day this is my only choice. i know the standalone rout has been taken and would be easier but what i do have is time. so when i start wiring it maybe ill TRY i say again TRY and do a swap guide or something with detailed pics of the wiring step by step, not much mounting and fab work pics because that stuff has already been documented.

Post by **RideNslidE** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:27 am

myS13wantsaVQ35 wrote:hey I had all of that stuff when I was doing my motor swap and all from the same car, and it was not worth the cost to use it.

my bad i thought you were the guy who had the swap done and got kinda screwed by that shop. even still im set on going the oem rout. oh and any unneeded 05 Z parts?

Post by **myS13wantsaVQ35** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:14 am

yeah that's me, I am still fixing all of the things that shop messed up, and I have talked to Andrew a few times at vqswap.com and there shop has gone with the all oem parts swap and told me that they will not do it again. I hope the best for you on your swap. All of my parts where off of a 2004 350z.

Post by **RideNslidE** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:55 am

RideNslidE wrote:did anyone utilize the ipdm (engine relay/fuse block) if not how did you bypass the starter / ignition / throttle control motor relays.

still wondering any help...

Post by **SR24DET** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:28 am

g35paul wrote:so i guess im just luck to already have a vq35 rwd....btw i got my new motor for the G for $900 shipped and is an 03 non rev with 15k miles on it, so the rwd are not that much more.... my350z or g35driver

You got a RWD VQ35 for $900. You dont know how freakishly awsome of a deal that is. I have called 15 junkyards and they all wanted $2500-$3500 for just the motor. Also, I have looked on forums and on ebay and i have never seen anything for less then $2200. I did see a motor for $1200, but it was blown. If you really got a RWD VQ35 for $900, you got the worlds greatest deal.

Post by **98whitemax** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:32 pm

SR24DET wrote:
You got a RWD VQ35 for $900. You dont know how freakishly awsome of a deal that is. I have called 15 junkyards and they all wanted $2500-$3500 for just the motor. Also, I have looked on forums and on ebay and i have never seen anything for less then $2200. I did see a motor for $1200, but it was blown. If you really got a RWD VQ35 for $900, you got the worlds greatest deal.

its a good deal but not all that crazy i got a wrecked 03 350z for $1200 but then again i have a dealer lisence if your willing to pick up an engine or arrange shipping i can hook you up with a rwd vq35 let me know

Post by **SullivanRacing06** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:40 pm

SpecDRacing wrote:That's cool. I really do like the RB engine. The ability to swap so many components from so many cars makes it more verastile than a honda. Good move on the head gasket too. You should be good to the 800HP range with that, as long as the internals are up to it. We assembled a few that peaked over 1000hp (not for long, but hey, they did! LOL) Post up a link to a few pics. I might bite back hard sometimes, but its all water under the bridge, and we really do want to see pics! Thanks for seeing my point and I'm glad we smoothed it over.

my pics are in my sig, click on the link

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