What do you dislike about the 350z.

[Fahaka]

how can you say the 350 is not a sports car. the z line has always been about the same thing great looks and high performance thats what made them so popular so many years ago and still to this day. and if your gonna get any z of any gen get the last year of any gen because it is bound to be the best because all the kinks have been worked out. for example the NEw hr engine is perfection remember that vq35de the one that can handle about 400hp safe well ive seen people on other fours with the new HR running 600hp safe the 07/08 is probably the best years to buy in the 350z gen.

because it is slow fat and lazy, reminds me of the mkIII supras and that is derogatory to mkIII supras.

[dasoupdude]

how can you say the 350 is not a sports car. the z line has always been about the same thing great looks and high performance thats what made them so popular so many years ago and still to this day. and if your gonna get any z of any gen get the last year of any gen because it is bound to be the best because all the kinks have been worked out. for example the NEw hr engine is perfection remember that vq35de the one that can handle about 400hp safe well ive seen people on other fours with the new HR running 600hp safe the 07/08 is probably the best years to buy in the 350z gen.

Man, i cant wait till you get to you get to a college comp class.

remember that vq35de the one that can handle about 400hp safe well ive seen people on other fours with the new HR running 600hp safe the 07/08 is probably the best years to buy in the 350z gen.

holy hell. that chunk was so irrelevant.

[R350Zz33]

was to relevant shows that the motor is stronger. and fahaka i know plenty of civics that would kill your 240 and they probably cost the same as your car not hating on the civic or the 240 but the z is still sexy. Also i would rather lose in my z then win in a honda.

[Anthonysflying]

Hmm well my definition of a sports car would be nimble light and fast.

A car can be fast and heavy, but less weight is never a bad thing.

We can talk stock for stock all you want, but I am not here for the stock cars, I modify them. My s13 will crush any stock Z and about 95% of all stock cars on the road. The beauty is that I did it for less money with my s13 than you could with a Z31-Z34. Old school Zs are a different story.

We'll see how much the 350z and 370z will be going for when they're 20 years old ok? a cheap 3.7L and a $2k turbo kit? thank you. the future of automotive tuning is pretty exciting (i can't wait to get my hands on a cheap LS7) but it is still hard to tell how it is going to evolve.

and by the way just because i own a 350 doesn't mean i'm a rich ignorant prick. there are so many z owners who understand and appreciate the cars history.

Edit: Sorry to the OP for the off topic rant

[Sardonic]

and by the way just because i own a 350 doesn't mean i'm a rich ignorant prick. there are so many z owners who understand and appreciate the cars history.

Edit: Sorry to the OP for the off topic rant

A-freakin-men! Well said. I'm definitely not rich.

[Anthonysflying]

Haha thanks. I'm definitely not now more than ever.

I get what you said about all of the little things not mattering(<-- is that even a word?) in the end. I used to have an 86' Camaro that shook, rattled, and rolled like crazy. it even had a rusty hole through the door and trunk. but i always felt so good cruising around with that V-8 smoothly roaring along. Every car feels different and the z is one of those cars that has a compact, stable feeling especially at speed.

[Fahaka]

...and fahaka i know plenty of civics that would kill your 240 and they probably cost the same as your car...

You missed the point completely.

[Fahaka]

A car can be fast and heavy, but less weight is never a bad thing.

We'll see how much the 350z and 370z will be going for when they're 20 years old ok? a cheap 3.7L and a $2k turbo kit? thank you. the future of automotive tuning is pretty exciting (i can't wait to get my hands on a cheap LS7) but it is still hard to tell how it is going to evolve.

and by the way just because i own a 350 doesn't mean i'm a rich ignorant prick. there are so many z owners who understand and appreciate the cars history.

Edit: Sorry to the OP for the off topic rant

You are missing the point as well. The z31-z34 are all 1000lbs overweight. Nissan shouldn't have tried to make the Z a grand touring car.

Had nissan put the VQ in a 2500lb car what do you think the results would be?

[Anthonysflying]

I've been trying to figure out were all of the extra weight is coming from for a while. it has to be structural. It is a trade-off but will make for a better high HP handling chassis. (in my own opinion). I get where you are coming from but compared to most new car offerings the Z33 has a rather bare interior. Things are more user friendly i suppose. anything from the 70's would feel out of control and raw compared to whats available now. The old datsuns were more Muscle/sports like a Triumph.

[xjmxstac]

We can talk stock for stock all you want, but I am not here for the stock cars, I modify them. My s13 will crush any stock Z and about 95% of all stock cars on the road. The beauty is that I did it for less money with my s13 than you could with a Z31-Z34. Old school Zs are a different story.

Yeah, r350zz33 just comes out with random stuff to say about his autotragic z and the honda population you must excuse him.

I agree that the z33 and z34 are expensive to upgrade. Hey, no one said that building cars is a cheap hobby. I believe that one should spend what they can afford. I love the s13, my friend had one in highschool, with a sr20det. He bought stock so i saw it built from the ground up.

It's stock suspension may resemble the z32, but it sure didn't feel the same. It rolled and nose dived horribly in braking high speed corners. It felt like it had slinky for springs. It may be because it was narrower in stance than the z32? Maybe. I know that my z, in stock form felt nothing like that. It almost feels like there is no body roll at all.As fas as power, the domestic 240sx produced a little more than 1/3 the horsepower of the latest z33's. Light? a tad bit...about 500lbs. less weight than z33's. Nimble? If you mean hp/weight, then technically the z is more nimble. Stock for stock, i agree, your s13 doesn't stand a chance. . Now modified equally (if that even makes sense), the z33 will still spank your s13. But you can argue the cost of doing such a build, hands down the s13 is a lot cheaper to build. I guess it all comes down to preference and budget. I just find it hard to believe that a fully built s13 is comparable to a equally modded z33 performance wise.

[Anthonysflying]

Hell Mutherf*#*$& yeah. The concept of equal modding rarely gets mentioned.

[xjmxstac]

Hell Mutherf*#*$& yeah. The concept of equal modding rarely gets mentioned.

And by equal modding, i don't mean dollars and cents, but rather part for part.

[dasoupdude]

and fahaka i know plenty of civics that would kill your 240

How can you say that when you haven't even seen what his car has.

You are missing the point as well. The z31-z34 are all 1000lbs overweight. Nissan shouldn't have tried to make the Z a grand touring car.

Had nissan put the VQ in a 2500lb car what do you think the results would be?

A nissan Z that has just about has the same satisfaction and safety ratings as a 240sx.

Hmm well my definition of a sports car would be nimble light and fast. The Z has become a touring car.

The beauty is that I did it for less money with my s13 than you could with a Z31-Z34. Old school Zs are a different story.

Ok...then take out your power steering, a/c, window motors, airbags,and all the unnecessary crap to give you the same amenities as say an S30. Cost of all this, FREE. by this time the s13 owner had probably just overnighted his ehhssarrr twenntyyyy from japan. Throw a set of coils on or susp setup of your choice and you have yourself a decent "nimble sportscar."

pfft.

[ldstang50]

Hmm well my definition of a sports car would be nimble light and fast. The Z has become a touring car.

As for the 240sx it is the only car that nissan has produced that has come close to the original z in as a sports car (light, nimble...).

Regarding the 240sx suspension...how is it not just like the z32? Multi link front and rear with antisquat ...they even had that silly hicas on the s13. I would say that the 240sx suspension is better than all previous z generations and equal to the z32...as for the new z33/34 suspension it is just strange, big and heavy.

We can talk stock for stock all you want, but I am not here for the stock cars, I modify them. My s13 will crush any stock Z and about 95% of all stock cars on the road. The beauty is that I did it for less money with my s13 than you could with a Z31-Z34. Old school Zs are a different story.

What you seem to clearly miss is this is 2009 or 2003 when the z first came out.Laws have considerably changed since the early 90s when the S13s and the 70s z cars were produced. Cars have to meet much more stringent safety and emissions laws than ever before. Side impact beams, crumple zones, airbags, all the sh*t on the engine to make it smog legal. Yes we would ALL love for the z to be lighter....but more nimble???? Are you sure about that? Can your car do 70+mph through the slalom, WITH all your mods? I highly doubt it. Look at modern day sports cars. ALL of them. Go back to the early 90s.... you will see how every car, the Corvette, Mustang, every Porsche, and BMW has grown and gotten bigger. But even though they've gained weight and gotten fatter, they're faster in EVERY aspect than theEIR brethern from 15yrs ago. They are all also safer, quieter, and more efficient.

A new STOCK Z car vs your car? Sure....bring it on. Mar 28th Tobay Beach, Long Island, New York. PCA auto-x. Big course for cars with power, but tight stuff to keep it fair for the smaller guys. I'm stock save for catback and front sway bar.

[ldstang50]

sorry op for the rant.....back on topicI dislike....the lack of the ability to adjust static front camberviscous LSD.....wish it was Quaiffe (hey I can wish right)rear view mirror visibility is about as useful as a poopy flavored popsicle (thank you patches)fuel light comes on WAAAAY to earlynon telescoping steering wheeltrunk space that can barely hold a dead teenagers body.... to hell with putting a useless prostitute in thereummmm glovebox? why the hell is it BEHIND the seatswheel hop on launch

I think thats it

[noobedloser]

my Z has a coin thing. flap thing on your head ? explain

whenver i like push my head back against the seat i feel like something on the seat pushing out against me and its kinda annoying.

[Fahaka]

I've crushed many z's. I don't need to prove anything to you. Your z is slow and you know it. Auto x is not a measure of a car but of a driver. I know guys who dominate auto x in fieros and Ranger trucks...lol Miatas too. Yeah I crush them too.

I have ridden in fast Z33s before, but they weren't stock. I liked them, but they weren't stock. Stock z's are slow.

As for crash rating and safety standards...that is bull. The Versa is light and crashworthy...

I know it is a Versa not a Z, but you'll miss the point. A lotus elise is crash worthy and it is lighter than a versa, your argument is that it can't be done. I beg to differ.

The z is huge 3200-3600 lbs...no wonder it is slow.

Had nissan simply made a lighter car and put the vq in it, it would be equivalent to the original Z. That is all I am saying.

You can hate all you want on the 240sx, I don't care. It is more like the original z than the current z or any other z since the s30.

Hyundai had a promising rwd platform in the genesis, but guess what, they made it a gt and it weighs 3500+lbs. silly. I'll stick with my s13 and keep crushing z33/z34/g35/g37's...

Granted this is a bit tongue and cheek, because there are plenty of nissan fast z33's but most are sloooow! Why?

Because they are fat and overweight.

[R350Zz33]

i know ofcivics that can beat him with out knowing his car because if you have a stripped civic with 1,000+ hp full drag get up and a turbo bigger then your head x2 with a 4 inch down pipe theres no way his 240 will keep up.

if the z's were any lighter i feel they would spin too much and never gain traction on a wot launch weight does help the traction.

[Fahaka]

i know ofcivics that can beat him with out knowing his car because if you have a stripped civic with 1,000+ hp full drag get up and a turbo bigger then your head x2 with a 4 inch down pipe theres no way his 240 will keep up.

if the z's were any lighter i feel they would spin too much and never gain traction on a wot launch weight does help the traction.

Lets not talk about your buddy's cars. I've seen plenty of fast civics and I don't need you to tell me anything. I've been riding in fast hondas since the late 1980's. The reason they are fast is because they are light. You think that if a 350z were lighter it would be a bad idea? Why don't you now tell me that the sky isn't blue...

[R350Zz33]

the sky is not blue buddy i'm sorry.

[nik..]

z is a sports & fast enough car & know how to turn safe&fast even here in greece that we have realy but roads and also it does't mean it's bud car because is slower maybe few min ??anyway for me z is save, fast & sport enough.fiat punto gt turbo is faster than z that's means is beter car ???noway ...so don't be comfused ...

[BusyBadger]

i know ofcivics that can beat him with out knowing his car because if you have a stripped civic with 1,000+ hp full drag get up and a turbo bigger then your head x2 with a 4 inch down pipe theres no way his 240 will keep up.

if the z's were any lighter i feel they would spin too much and never gain traction on a wot launch weight does help the traction.

Stay on topic, this isn't about Civics.

And the second part...pure, unadulterated CRAP. You don't sound like you've ever been in a truly fast car.

the sky is not blue buddy i'm sorry.

Just when I thought you were growing out of your "Hey everyone, look at me!" phase you make a post like this.

The Z33 is overweight. Think about it...what was one of the complaints voiced almost unanimously by reviewers from all over? Too heavy. What did Nissan do with the Z34, made it lighter and gave it more power.

Since I actually OWN both a Z33 and an S13 I'll tell you that the S13 certainly feels more nimble to me, and with just a few suspension tweaks it could be nearly as stable, without all the weight. Add in a built motor and its certainly enough to trounce a stock Z, with ease I might add. I bought my Z for the comfort, the added features, not because I wanted a fast car. Had I just wanted something fast I could have out the money I spent on the Z and built the S13 - for much less too.

And all this talk about racing and beating a car members never seen with just a stock Z? For all any of you know there could be a fully built SR, RB, LS1 or even a VQ (how ironic would that be?) stuffed under the hood held up by components from JIC and riding on R compound tires. And yet the mighty Z33 in stock trim (or with the added horsepower of a catback!) is going to come out on top?

I don't suppose any of you play p0ker do you? I'm really looking for someone to teach me.

[Fahaka]

Alex bringing the win!

Here is what happens when you have a light Z car and a turbo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0oXgn4gXcY

I was the camera man on that vid so...I am admittedly not perfect.

same car here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...relat

there is another that is even faster, but I can't find a vid of Clifton's.

[Fahaka]

my car has too many mods to list...300+ whp in a 2600lb car is fast enough and don't get me started on the slalom comment.

[BusyBadger]

Thanks Morrie! I love that S30 vid - but that camerman has got to go. JFYA - I'd have been too busy just holding on.

STANG, since you were running on about the Z33 & autocross I was thinking about something while I was cleaning up around the yard today.

In SOLO the 350Z, including the vaunted Nismo run in what class? That's right, B Stock. The Honda S2000 and the Porsche Boxster both run in what..? That's right, A Stock. So too does the Porsche 911 (993), the Solstice GXP & the Sky Red Line. Guess what, all of them are lighter and putting down less power than the Z33. Oh, the NSX that everyone here was so ready to trash in a thread a couple of weeks ago, its A Stock as well. A well thought out and modified S13, S14 or any well thought out modified car for that matter is going to be even superior to these.

All you flag waving fanboys are killing me.

Now let's get this back on topic, shall we?

[Bubba1]

Thanks Morrie! I love that S30 vid - but that camerman has got to go. JFYA - I'd have been too busy just holding on.

STANG, since you were running on about the Z33 & autocross I was thinking about something while I was cleaning up around the yard today.

In SOLO the 350Z, including the vaunted Nismo run in what class? That's right, B Stock. The Honda S2000 and the Porsche Boxster both run in what..? That's right, A Stock. So too does the Porsche 911 (993), the Solstice GXP & the Sky Red Line. Guess what, all of them are lighter and putting down less power than the Z33. Oh, the NSX that everyone here was so ready to trash in a thread a couple of weeks ago, its A Stock as well. A well thought out and modified S13, S14 or any well thought out modified car for that matter is going to be even superior to these.

All you flag waving fanboys are killing me.

Now let's get this back on topic, shall we?

+!. What I dislike about the 350z? The fact that Richie has one.

Just kidding...

[xjmxstac]

"...A well thought out and modified S13, S14 or ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT MODIFIED CAR for that matter is going to be even superior to these."Thanks for clearing that up. People are so quick to judge that the z33 in stock form is s**t. Well most cars from the factory are s**t compared to their modified counterparts.In my opinion, the z33 in stock form is not all that s***ty compared to other cars in its class out of the factory. Yes it has its cons, but it also has good attributes. Isn't that why we mod cars? To get rid of the cons and amplify it's strengths...If the Z was as cheap to purchase and modify as the s13, can you honestly say that you wouldn't consider getting one?

[dasoupdude]

+!. What I dislike about the 350z? The fact that Richie has one.

Just kidding...

(maybe)

[BusyBadger]

"...A well thought out and modified S13, S14 or ANY WELL THOUGHT OUT MODIFIED CAR for that matter is going to be even superior to these."Thanks for clearing that up.

Apparently some users needed it cleared up. Everything else in your post was spot on though.

A new STOCK Z car vs your car? Sure....bring it on. Mar 28th Tobay Beach, Long Island, New York. PCA auto-x. Big course for cars with power, but tight stuff to keep it fair for the smaller guys. I'm stock save for catback and front sway bar.

[xjmxstac]

+!. What I dislike about the 350z? The fact that Richie has one.

Just kidding...

I agree...twice!