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Postby Mudd » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:19 am

Yeh, sure. I understand. Now that you mention it, just what is sex? Seems to me I remember something about that from the 50's.


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Postby audtatious » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:38 am

Your 50's or the 1950's?


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Postby Mudd » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:48 am

My fifties Sir. I would have blown my self away if I had gone that long............!

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Postby audtatious » Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:04 pm

Well, there is life (and action) after 50. Lord, I hope so as I will find out in about 9 years....

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Postby kaotical24 » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:20 pm

haha, old ppl rule, too bad i am too young

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Postby MinisterofDOOM » Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:57 pm

This thread is mildly depressing...

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Postby billyjoseph » Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:50 am

I'm new to the forum. Glad it's here! I'm going to buy a Versa in Spring '07. My bride will be driving it (in Wisconsin winters) so I want ABS. Local dealer told me I can't get ABS AND the "tech" package (Bluetooth, Intellikey). Don't know why not.

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Postby MinisterofDOOM » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:01 pm

Glad you found us!
billyjoseph wrote:ILocal dealer told me I can't get ABS AND the "tech" package (Bluetooth, Intellikey). Don't know why not.
I noticed that when I was playing around with Versa configurations on the Nissan website. I can't figure that one out, either.

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Postby craigv » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:47 pm

I wasn't really paying attention (I had read that ABS wouldn't be offered at all so I wasn't expecting it), but I have the conv package, and supposedly also have ABS according to what the dealer or the VIN told my insurance company. Not sure though.

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Postby voltronguy » Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:43 am

craigv wrote:I wasn't really paying attention (I had read that ABS wouldn't be offered at all so I wasn't expecting it), but I have the conv package, and supposedly also have ABS according to what the dealer or the VIN told my insurance company. Not sure though.
Do you still have the sticker from your car? ABS would be clearly marked on it as an option package. Do you know your MSRP? You can configure your car with and without ABS online and see if it matches your.

For a surefire test go out and start your car up. If you don't see some sort of ABS indicator light (check the manual for what it looks like) then you don't have it.

Good luck!

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Postby Kermee » Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:05 am

craigv wrote:I wasn't really paying attention (I had read that ABS wouldn't be offered at all so I wasn't expecting it), but I have the conv package, and supposedly also have ABS according to what the dealer or the VIN told my insurance company. Not sure though.
I'm almost positive you don't have ABS. Of course, my sales person said ABS wasn't that big of a deal because it only works at 35 MPH and below on the Versa.

*Shrug*

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Postby XterraVersa » Wed Aug 02, 2006 1:47 pm

That would be stupid for ABS to not work below 35 mph. ABS is intended for you to be able to control your car while braking. In the wet & snow is when it would work, and most likely you are going less than 35 mph.

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Postby Sahandman » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:58 pm

abs is actually designed for people who dont know how to drive no offense. If youve ever done driving defence course while getting your drivers license you should have the knowledge and capability of stopping effectively on slippery roads. ABS can actually work against your safety in many cases.

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Postby Ever Victorious » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:41 pm

Sahandman wrote:abs is actually designed for people who dont know how to drive no offense. If youve ever done driving defence course while getting your drivers license you should have the knowledge and capability of stopping effectively on slippery roads. ABS can actually work against your safety in many cases.
Yes, ABS slows your stopping distance on dry pavement. Not really a big deal if you're following your training and keeping distance and leaving yourself an out. It does, however, keep you from sliding around as much in inclement weather.

But skill isn't everything. Even the most skilled drivers are, at the very core, human and fallible. If you let the computer do the work rather than relying on a human, you'll get a more predictable result.

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Postby craigv » Fri Aug 04, 2006 5:46 am

I'm
Kermee wrote:
I'm almost positive you don't have ABS. Of course, my sales person said ABS wasn't that big of a deal because it only works at 35 MPH and below on the Versa.

*Shrug*

Cheers,Kermee
I'm fairly certian I don't have it too. It's not on the window sticker, which was the only place I really looked for it. I asked the salesman, and he said it did, and since I didn't care, I didn't really get into it. I'll have to look at the dash lights when I start it next time. All I know is that I'm getting the discount for ABS with the insurance company.

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Postby voltronguy » Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:11 am

craigv wrote: All I know is that I'm getting the discount for ABS with the insurance company.
A word of caution. Depending on how suspicious your insurance company is you might run into problems if you ever get into an accident. If they find out you don't have ABS, but perhaps get into some kind of accident that could be prevented with ABS it might be enough to deny a claim. Not sure if this would ever actually happen, just something to think about.

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Postby craigv » Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:36 am

voltronguy wrote:
A word of caution. Depending on how suspicious your insurance company is you might run into problems if you ever get into an accident. If they find out you don't have ABS, but perhaps get into some kind of accident that could be prevented with ABS it might be enough to deny a claim. Not sure if this would ever actually happen, just something to think about.
I did think about that actually. Their records show the info came from Nissan, not me, so I could argue it (though probably not successfully) but I may let them know anyway. I doubt it makes that big a difference on my premium.

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Postby jpversa » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:56 pm

XterraVersa wrote: That would be stupid for ABS to not work below 35 mph. ABS is intended for you to be able to control your car while braking. In the wet & snow is when it would work, and most likely you are going less than 35 mph.
actually ABS is used best on dry pavement. it performs worse in the snow because it prevents the wheels from locking, which would give the tires a better grip in the snow.

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Postby ilusha55 » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:05 pm

jpversa wrote:
actually ABS is used best on dry pavement. it performs worse in the snow because it prevents the wheels from locking, which would give the tires a better grip in the snow.




its the opposite, mate

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Postby jpversa » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:50 am

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/vrtc/ca/lvabs.htm

"The ABS were evaluated across a broad and comprehensive range of driving maneuvers with respect to vehicle speeds, vehicle loading conditions, road surfaces (adhesion and texture), steer angles, split mu’s, transition surfaces, etc. This involved testing many maneuvers for each ABS design. The focus was to find situations in which there are gross differences in vehicle performance due to the presence/absence of ABS. For example, ABS-equipped vehicles are known to have poorer performance on gravel and snow."

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Postby MinisterofDOOM » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:04 am

Locking the brakes is never good. Ever.Locked brakes mean skidding tires, which means loss of traction, which of course means less effective braking.

I would venture to guess that the reason ABS-equipped cars do poorer in gravel and snow and other slick conditions is that the ABS is fighting too hard to prevent slipping, which causes braking performance to suffer.

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Postby jpversa » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:11 am

"You should allow for a longer stopping distance with ABS than for conventional brakes when driving on gravel, slush, and snow. This is because the rotating tire will stay on top of this low traction road surface covering, and effectively "float" on this boundary layer.

A non ABS braked vehicle can lock its tires and create a snow plow effect in front of the tires which helps slow the vehicle. These locked tires can often find more traction below this boundary layer."

You're right, locking the brakes give you less control over the steering of the car, but when it comes to pure stopping power in low traction surfaces, ABS will do you more harm than good.

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Postby electech » Mon Sep 11, 2006 5:30 am

On pavement, the main reason for the sometimes increased stopping distances of ABS is because a lot of people will let up on the brake pedal when they feel it pulsing or when they fear locking the tires down. It is a hard habit to break. But, I know of at least two accidents I avoided by having ABS because of the sudden and hard application of brakes and abrupt, evasive manuvers I had to make. I will take ABS most any time but I don't have it on the Versa. I have already found out the limits of the little tires on the V and it is pretty low!!

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Postby BenDupre » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:05 pm

you guys are obsessed over a CAR!

edit: My 10yo daughter is having fun. She's been teasing me about reading the car forums. Her and I are going to have a talk now.

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Postby MinisterofDOOM » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:36 pm

BenDupre wrote:you guys are obsessed over a CAR!
Yes. Yes we are.

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Postby ilusha55 » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:01 pm

[QUOTE]

For example, ABS-equipped vehicles are known to have poorer performance on gravel and snow." [QUOTE]."

yes but ABS prevents from unlocking wheels so in result it helps to avoid obstacles which is the reason one would brake. You just made it sound like abs was something to avoid in the snow...

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Postby audtatious » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:40 pm

Looks like someone should create a abs thread instead of discussing in the welcome thread.


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Postby MinisterofDOOM » Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:16 am

Well, I finally actually got to sit in a Versa (no test drive unfortunately...I could have but didn't have time). I had to drop off the '04 Maxima for some minor work (paint on the inner part of the flying buttresses is flaking off, and the stupid Bose system is a crap shoot if it'll work or not--I HATE BOSE!) and I noticed a blue Versa sitting on the lot.Anyway, a lot monkey saw me checking it out. I told him about NICO and NissanVersa.org and how popular the car was here, and he unlocked it for me. He knew a lot less about the car than I did (I told him It was too bad they didn't have a CVT Versa on the lot because I was interested in test driving one--he asked me what the heck a CVT was) but then he wasn't a salesman, either.

A few thoughts that went through my mind as I was checking it out:

--Bigger than I expected to be inside. (Still too small for me, though...but I've been feeling that way about my '93 Maxima lately, too).--I liked the layout of the dash.--I'm not a fan of the highchair seating (I prefer my Maxima's on-the-floor seats), but it did have plenty of leg and head room for my 6'4" of lankiness. Seat was comfortable (I actually liked it better than the seats in the '04 Maxima since they lack the irritating "XTREME Lumbar Support!!!" that I hate so much).--I LOVE the small triangular windows at the front of the front doors. The pillar-mounted side mirrors look kind of goofy, but I'd say the windows are worth the tradeoff.--The shifter for the 6 speed is in a good location, right where my hand rests naturally. Not like my old Ford for which the odd ("away") gears were out of reach and the even ("nearer") gears were in the passenger's lap.--The dark blue paint looks good in person. It's a great color.--The headlights are HUGE! (I already knew that, but seeing them in person, I realized just how huge.)--Instrument panel is too low (shroud blocks the tops of the dials from my height. Of course the seat was also too far forward and I didn't slide it back to where I'd be sitting, which would probably have fixed it.)

Overall I liked the car. It was comfortable, felt a lot bigger than many of the alternatives (a HUGE plus in my book) and it had enough little "hey, that's nice" features and items that it stands out.

I told the lotmonkey I really wanted to drive an '07 Maxima with CVT to see if I like it as much as my dad's '04 (the one I was dropping off for service) but he didn't get the hint. That's okay. The '04 is better looking, and there's no way the CVT is more fun than the 5 speed manumatic. I just wanted to see where the CVT kept the revs...

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Postby voltronguy » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:12 am

MinisterofDOOM wrote:--The headlights are HUGE! (I already knew that, but seeing them in person, I realized just how huge.)
I'll tell you what, those headlights rock. They are really bright and have a very wide and tall path. I feel like my Taurus uses two candles after I've been driving the wife's Versa!


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