VG30DETT into 1989 240SX

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:45 am

I'm in the USA right now. Hung out with the AJ and the Clark Family last night and watched UFC. Not going to be any real updates until I get back to Bahrain.

Post by **johngriff** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:12 am

Heh! Where in the US are you? If you are in so-cal let's link up for a drink... im myspacing you!

Post by **Zee** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:17 pm

180sxfaktory wrote:I'm in the USA right now. Hung out with the AJ and the Clark Family last night and watched UFC. Not going to be any real updates until I get back to Bahrain.

So your in NC right now? I am in SC about 5 miles away from the border.

Post by **fayceoff** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:51 pm

No, we live in VA Beach, so you're about 6-7 hours away...

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:55 pm

Yeah, like FAYCEOFF says, we're in VA Beach, well... at least he is and I'm in Norfolk which is just down the street.

Post by **sommmatt** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:35 pm

Can't wait for updates on your projects, Dale.

Post by **johngriff** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:19 am

bahhh make it out to so cal, we'll throw a parking stucture drift party! (j/k)

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:23 pm

Right now, I am going through drift withdrawal sickness... I miss my 180SX and just doing my 10 minutes a day thing. Anybody got a RWD I can go beat on? Anybody got a project they need "shaken down"?

I... must... get... uuuhhhh... back... in... uuuuuuuhhhh... car... and... and... and... TWIST THE **** OUTTA IT!!!

Post by **Zee** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:18 pm

Dale you think you can hook me up with a half-cut?

Post by **soulsynchromachine** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:53 pm

any updated im going crazy over here

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:01 pm

That won't be happening until I get back home to Bahrain next week. In the meantime, I am in the USA. Apologize for the delay.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:02 pm

Zee wrote:Dale you think you can hook me up with a half-cut?

Just a reminder to remind me next week when I return to Bahrain. Thanks!

Post by **Flicktitty** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:56 pm

awesome can't wait to hear about a kit.

Post by **Zee** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:39 am

180sxfaktory wrote:
Just a reminder to remind me next week when I return to Bahrain. Thanks!

Thanks a lot I will be sure to remind you.

Post by **Zee** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:02 pm

Bump...

It is next week and I can't wait to get the half-cut so I can get started on it.

Post by **jamesblonde82** » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:17 am

This is something I defintely have planned for my vert.

Post by **jamesblonde82** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:46 pm

can you also do a dual exhaust set up?

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:39 pm

The only problem with that is the gas tank. A twin exhaust can be made, but you'd have to relocate the gas tank. Basically, get rid of it and switch over to an internal fuel cell. Internal meaning inside your car, like the trunk area.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:23 am

The 300ZX is a car that requires a lot of study. The layout of everything has rhyme and reason, and you can see where Nissan engineers used up every little bit of space as possible in the engine bay and inside the fender areas. As I have said before, the Z32 series 300ZX was built "around" the VG30DETT. Unlike the S chassis cars or even the Skyline series of the same time period, the 300ZX was not for the timid. A lot of the development that went into the Z32 can still be found in the present day Nissan RWD cars, and it goes without saying that S chassis and Skylines (up to a point) benefitted from some of the developments pioneered by the Z32. This does not mean that you can just crack open a Z32 and instantly know your way around. A lot of people who just don't know how much is involved with maintaining a Z32, let alone build an S chassis car with a VG30DETT power plant, think it's an easy swap and something that can be done without a lot of additional tooling and fabrication expertise. If it were that easy, it would have been done long ago, and we would have seen 240SX with VG30DETT in greater numbers than with SR swaps. Where else are you gonna have 300 FWHP on tap from the factory (280 with AT)? Not with the SR or the CA, and definitely not with the RB. Anyway, this is all hindsight. The fact that the Z32 was built around the engine (heat soak issues; a PITA to work with; no room to access anything; must drop engine just to do things we take for granted with inline 4 and 6) and the high price tag led to its demise. We see that Nissan learned from the mistakes of building a car around an engine with the Z33 and G35.

In summary, if you can do it (the VG30DETT swap into S chassis), then do it, BUT don't come to me asking for specs and how I did this and that. I took the challenge last year and busted my a$$ to do it just to make a point with that prototype (RIP; trying to get it back, though). If you want my kit, then wait. Yes, I am as slow as a snail, and there were reasons for that previously, but now that I am doing my thing full time, we'll see things cooking along.

Post by **sommmatt** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:26 am

^FWHP?

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:43 am

The dash gauge cluster/bezel is what I have been working with tonite.

It doesn't just stop there... Here's what you have to contend with just to access it...

The bezel

has this... that bridges the bezel and the cluster, and it is covered by a...

clamshell

Ok... now you are probably wondering WTF?! Why are we looking at a Z32 gauge/bezel/clamshell? Well, in this case, AJ expressed that he wants to use as much from the half cut as possible, so I will be modifying the LHD S13 dashboard to accomodate the Z32-spec gauge combo.

As I said previously, the car was designed and built around the power plant, but the interior was also built around the driver. Everything from climate control, lighting, cruise control, wiper control is right there in front of the driver in plain view. The layout reminded me of my days as a FA-18 Hornet driver instantly, but without all of the redundant displays and comms boxes. All this thing needs now is a HUD!

Here's the controllers

Lighting/Cruise/Defogger Controller (goes on the right side)

Digital Climate/Windshield Wiper Controller (goes on the left)

The gauge combo is all wired in and runs to controller boxes located in the passenger footwell area where the ECU is also located

That's a pretty smart idea, especially when it comes to troubleshooting factory amenities like climate control, for instance.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:45 am

sommmatt wrote:^FWHP?

FWHP is Fly Wheel Horsepower.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:51 am

What I will be doing for MAYHEM is making a one car only special edition for AJ. Not only will his car be sporting the full swap, but will also get a full front chassis harness and dash harness swap from the Z32 donor.

Not to worry, though, I will be doing the swap instructions for the S13 dash gauge cluster as the normal edition.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:55 am

Tomorrow morning, we'll see me working with this...

The Twin SMIC system and intake/piping network. Not a big deal? Hahahaha! You will be in for a surprise, buddy! You better bring your lunch. But it is a vital part of the swap, so stay tuned for my updates tomorrow nite.

Post by **sommmatt** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:19 pm

Oh Okay. I'm just used to hearing that as BHP, and figured you typo'd on RWHP, but wasn't completely sure. I mean, the R and the F are so close on the keyboard... *makes excuses for his ignorance*

On that note, I still can't believe the amount of custom work you're doing on this car. Everything you do comes together nicely and I can't wait to see the finished project, and I bet Fayceoff can't either.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:34 pm

Ok... I had to look at the keyboard. I guess you're safe with that one! Lol!

I've only got one chance to do something right, and yeah, there is gonna be a buttload of custom work on MAYHEM, but this is Jaymee's car and I wanna make sure that it would pass his inspection.

I can't wait to finish it, as well. Being in Bahrain is a blessing and a curse. My overhead is way lower than what it would be in North America, BUT the client base is in North America.

Post by **fayceoff** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:42 pm

sommmatt wrote:On that note, I still can't believe the amount of custom work you're doing on this car. Everything you do comes together nicely and I can't wait to see the finished project, and I bet Fayceoff can't either.

The anticipation is killing me!!!

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:54 pm

I am sure it is!

On another note, the hot *** sun is killing me, and I'm waiting for a few more hours before I venture back out into the sun to finish up what I started this morning. Ramadan is still in full effect, so I am sure you can relate to what I am saying, bro. Shukran!

Post by **Zee** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:37 am

180sxfaktory wrote:In summary, if you can do it (the VG30DETT swap into S chassis), then do it, BUT don't come to me asking for specs and how I did this and that. I took the challenge last year and busted my a$$ to do it just to make a point with that prototype (RIP; trying to get it back, though). If you want my kit, then wait. Yes, I am as slow as a snail, and there were reasons for that previously, but now that I am doing my thing full time, we'll see things cooking along.

What happened here? Trying to vent about something someone said? Kind of odd, but go ahead we understand.

Post by **180sxfaktory** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:23 am

I've been getting a rash of people who basically are trying to get me to give up the data I've collected on how to do the swap. Basically, it's people who've grown frustrated with me and don't want to wait for me to complete this first production. The prototype was nothing more than R&D and I jumped the gun with my optimism. I want to get my kit out there for people but I don't wanna talk about how to do anything until that time. Yeah, just venting a little because there are people who fail to realize that this swap is not like doing an SR, CA or an RB and is not for the timid or those who will grow frustrated quickly because if things aren't done in a correct sequence, this swap will turn into a monster. I am not shotgunning that people don't know the VG30DETT, but it demands a level of respect and knowledge that is more than what an SR, CA, KA warrants.

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