VG30DETT into 1989 240SX

V8 240sx? Sure! If either the chassis OR the engine is non-Nissan (i.e. SR20 in an RX-7 or LS1 in a 240sx), we've done it.
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Postby nizmo_dryfta » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:17 am

lord_hypnos wrote:I'll start savin now.


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Postby hannibal » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:43 am

Nice job...

Off topic, is that a C6 Z06 I see in the background? You referred to the VG 240 as a torque monster. How's the Vette drive??? Any pics?

I really like the S13, but I love the Vette!

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:53 am

IWannaS15 wrote:Nice job...

Off topic, is that a C6 Z06 I see in the background? You referred to the VG 240 as a torque monster. How's the Vette drive??? Any pics?

I really like the S13, but I love the Vette!

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Postby Reno » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:03 am

oOo i wanna see more pix of the car please and where would be the best place to get the motor and tranny?

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Postby hannibal » Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:22 am

hypnos, are you kidding me? I'm a Nissan fan like most guys on this board, but if a Z06 cost the same as a 10 yr old 240sx, the highway would look a lot different.

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:14 am

Yes, you are quite observant! It is a Z06, and it belongs to my friend. On the other side of the VG240, that's a nice name for it, is a 1967 Camaro and on the other side is an FD. Both of those cars are being modded. The FD will be campaigning here in the Middle East when D1 comes to town. We're finally gonna be getting the action you guys are enjoying. The 67 is going to be one-off on everything.

The Z06 drives better than a Ford GT and the Porsche Carrera GT, and far less expensive. It drives and handles like a kitten, and anybody could drive it in a normal manner, but hit the gas and start shifting, you are where you need to go before you thought that was where you needed to go. Chevrolet took their LeMans car technology and put it in the Z06. We've been out on Friday nites and blew doors off a few Lambo Murcielagos out by Bahrain International Circuit (first race of F1). We're hunting for a Ferrari Enzo to take down, but nobody will take the challenge right now. Thamer, the owner, drives that Z06 like it was made for him. His other car is a C5 with a crate race motor and tranny. He holds the record of 9.46 for the fastest Vette in the Gulf, and he did it without using laughing gas. Will the VG240 be able to run in the same company? Hmmmm... We can only try!
IWannaS15 wrote:Nice job...

Off topic, is that a C6 Z06 I see in the background? You referred to the VG 240 as a torque monster. How's the Vette drive??? Any pics?

I really like the S13, but I love the Vette!

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:25 am

I think we live in a day and age where everybody can appreciate different car marques. I tell you, working on American cars and working on Japanese, there's a lot of things that can be learned from both camps, and if you immerse oneself into both worlds, it is definitely an advantage. New ideas and cross-pollination happens, and before you know it, you have an S13 chassis re-skinned with classic 1968 Mustang fastback fenders, functional rear brake side ducts, cobra hood covering a VQ35DE twin turbo coupled to a T56 TREMEC six speed with a BNR34 rear subframe... ooohhhh... did I let a cat out of the bag?
IWannaS15 wrote:hypnos, are you kidding me? I'm a Nissan fan like most guys on this board, but if a Z06 cost the same as a 10 yr old 240sx, the highway would look a lot different.

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:00 am

Haha no! I've never been a fan of Corvettes... Just Firebird T/As.
IWannaS15 wrote:hypnos, are you kidding me? I'm a Nissan fan like most guys on this board, but if a Z06 cost the same as a 10 yr old 240sx, the highway would look a lot different.

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:32 am

So what do you think would be a ballpark estimate for the kit cost?

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Postby D2180SX » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:05 am

If I mention a price here, the moderators would think I'm trying to sell or line up business. I don't wanna get black-balled. It's best to write to me and I can give you more info, if you like. You can go to either of my sites listed and write me.
lord_hypnos wrote:So what do you think would be a ballpark estimate for the kit cost?

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Postby masamunex03 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:11 am

Clean Swap. For anyone else interested here are some links to other V-engine swaps

VG30ET S13 built by Rickhttp://www.cardomain.com/ride/2324257

VQ30DE S13 built by Broanerhttp://maxima.cardomain.com/ride/767108

VQ30DE/VQ35DE Hybrid S14 built by Fred_Allen_Burgehttp://www.engineswaptech.com/

LS1 S14.5 built by 240sx-ls1http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/...67840

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Postby Reno » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:42 pm

man......... so many choices to swap with.......... Sigh...

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Postby ihatedomestic » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:13 pm

thats crazy!!

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Postby USsil80 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:17 pm

any pics of the swap in progress.... like to see what is going on in there

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Postby USsil80 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:27 pm

also is there any room for upgrading the turbos... staying twin and putting on a good turbo with a equall length manifold

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Postby lord_hypnos » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:29 pm

Emailed.
D2180SX wrote:If I mention a price here, the moderators would think I'm trying to sell or line up business. I don't wanna get black-balled. It's best to write to me and I can give you more info, if you like. You can go to either of my sites listed and write me.

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Postby D2180SX » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:49 am

USsil80 wrote:also is there any room for upgrading the turbos... staying twin and putting on a good turbo with a equall length manifold
maybe, but for now, we're trying to keep things as sensible as possible, find all the weak points/strong points of the VG240, learn the engine and car all over before we start messing around with custom manifolds and turbos. A good stock VG30DETT in this chassis is plenty enough already. As someone already said, it's like a Z32 that went on a diet. This car will give you whiplash, and it is scary how it clips along and pulls you into the seatback If a person wanted to upgrade the turbos, I would recommend sticking with internal wastegate, so the GT28RS in a twin configuration would be more than plenty. The stock manifolds are short enough already, and I don't see any real benefit of customizing a set. I guess if the aesthetics mattered to someone, why not, but it's not like you can see them anyway.

Who inspired me to do this? 300SX, of course. I admire his work in both the S13 and S14. My challenge was to swap without cancelling anything, and I was able to do it and get it running. Now, as the kit becomes a reality, I am depending on our community to provide feedback and for someone else to come up with further refinement, if that is possible.

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Postby Reno » Thu Jul 27, 2006 5:03 pm

^^ sweet i want in!!

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Postby D2180SX » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:27 am

Reno wrote:^^ sweet i want in!!
Hey! Just write me at [email protected] to be put on my list of serious folks who are contemplating doing this swap

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Postby memole » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:34 pm

what about putting just the VG30DE into the S14. thats what I am looking into doing. the car is a 95 240 and my wifey wants the VG30DE with auto tranny put into it. shes crazy I know. Just was wondering if yur kit will work with the S14 as well. let me knowThanksChris

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Postby D2180SX » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:02 am

Can do, but the problem is I do not have an S14 donor car here to do a test fit and layout for. Room-wise, it will definitely fit. But until I can get my hands on a US spec or Euro spec 95-98 S14, I cannot say or comment. I do know that my friend 300SX did it, and it is a beautiful swap with the VG30DETT. VG30DE with auto- too easy. US spec or Euro spec with US spec or Euro spec VG30DE swap would be a cakewalk, in my mind. NA power with beefier cams from JWT, flowed heads, match porting, knife-edged crank and I think you would have a ride that would match the 350Z. Your CG would be a lot sweeter, too with all the weight centered in the middle of the car. Once I can get my hands on a US or Euro spec- you best believe I'll be doing something nutty

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Postby kanye240 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:44 pm

sweeet

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Postby redears240 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:51 pm

TheOne wrote:why does.......for some reason the 240sx engine bay looks easier to work in a vg30 than workin a vg30 in a 300zx?(for those who have seen the 300zx engine bay....and worked on them, i've seen'em, also worked a couple of things and damn is it cramped)
yeah dood i know wat u talking about. my friend has a 300zTT and i hate just looking at the engine bay b/c its sooo cramped. im like, man it must suck to work on this car? i love my engine bay b/c there is so much space to work on!

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Postby D2180SX » Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:26 pm

redears240 wrote:
yeah dood i know wat u talking about. my friend has a 300zTT and i hate just looking at the engine bay b/c its sooo cramped. im like, man it must suck to work on this car? i love my engine bay b/c there is so much space to work on!
Yeah, as I told one of my clients, the 300ZX was built around the VG30DETT, and I think Nissan had ET (not Eddie Torres, but ET, the Extra-Terrestrial), with his magical long fingers, in mind when they figured out who could maintain it without dropping the whole engine/transmission out of the bottom just to facilitate regular maintenance. I've done enough of those "regular maintenance" jobs on Z32, and it ain't fun. If you own one and you take it somewhere for maintenance and they charge extra, don't get mad, just be glad that someone is willing to touch it. Who knows, maybe they have ET or Eddie Torres there to do his magic!

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Postby D2180SX » Fri Aug 04, 2006 11:08 pm

Folks-

Here's some pics of the subframe and the transmission crossmember for the VG30DETT swap. Enjoy!



















This is the heart of the kit to make it sit just right. As you can see, I did not remove any power steering lines or anything. The transmission crossmember is completely one-off and was designed with the Z32 and the S13 crossmember influences. The subframe is notched and reinforced inside. How? It's chambered with ribs. I use the same 5mm plate steel throughout and reinforced the factory welds, as needed. The subframe and the crossmember- they will break you before you can break them.

Again, thanks for looking and drop me a line!

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Postby R6_240sx » Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:38 am

Damn that thing has more clearance then a regular 300zx!

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Postby D2180SX » Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:06 am

bboyp1ng wrote:Damn that thing has more clearance then a regular 300zx!
Yes, it does, and another benefit is that the inherent heat soak problem that has plagued some Z32 is not there in the S13 with VG30DETT. You can say that there is some benefit from having more "free space" for heat transfer out of the car. Just simple physics and common sense.

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Postby 180sxfaktory » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:11 am

More pics taken

























Apparently, this full swap has caught the attention and interest of those who have been wanting to see something like this done to the extent it has. We have drag season starting next month, so right now, we're just tweaking the car. I'm excited about how this car will do. The kit itself is still on track for a late September release. Those of you who wrote to me about it, thanks!


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