ultimate wire tuck guide

[tony10]

thats so crazy it'll make you wana slap yo mama!!!!

Seriously. Don't quote the entire OP. a) it pisses the staff off; b) it's causing WC's photobucket account to exceed bandwidth - Hijacker

[slipnfall]

thats so crazy it'll make you wana slap yo mama!!!!

'Just as a friendly note, quoting 10pages of pictures everyone has already seen will make everyone want to slap you.

[hbpignosePA]

'Just as a friendly note, quoting 10pages of pictures everyone has already seen will make everyone want to slap you.

me- -you

[zachattack_5491]

I I'm going to try and do something like this during my spring break. I need to finish painting my car and while I've got the interior stripped I'll take on some wiring. I don't think I can go as crazy as you did... But I really need to fix my electrical situation. Both my harnesses are in horrible condition thanks to the previous owner

[slipnfall]

me- -you

'wasn't trying to be a jerk... sorry if it came across as such.

[Chris28]

WC, Basically the fuse box. I don't know where lower harness came from haha, I meant replacing the box and all associated wires. My battery terminal cables are junk, and everything coming out of the fuse box is going in different directions making it a huge mess.

So what's in replacing a fuse box?

[White Comet]

oh damn. well a lot of splicing would be involved. your best bet would just be cleaning up and "fixing" what you have. depending how deep into it you go, you can depin each relay

[dwclur]

Ive been debating wether i want to do this or not im still not sure but it looks real nice

[White Comet]

Ive been debating wether i want to do this or not im still not sure but it looks real nice

its got its pros and cons, but i think its worth it. on the plus side, its very cheap. all you need is a soldering gun and solder (if you don't already have it), e tape and loom. if you're baller you'll use some techflex though .

the only downside is that its very time consuming and it can be intimidating if you are unfamiliar with wiring, but really if you have a basic understanding you can do a lot if you just stop and think about it for a second.

[hbpignosePA]

'wasn't trying to be a jerk... sorry if it came across as such.

im just bustin your balls.... i just hate ppl that quote pics.... slows down page loading and i have comcast.

your pretty close i think? i remember havin this conversation with you

[slipnfall]

your pretty close i think? i remember havin this conversation with you

Yep... FWIW I have my harnesses out right now... I'm taking the 10year-long build approach so it's something to keep me busy. I'm still trying to find a nice fuse/relay center (other than painless). Delphi makes 'em but damn if I can find a distributor.

TechFlex has a nice line of products... I'll keep them in mind. 'Not sure which line you're using, but this is what I'm considering (only because I have a ton on hand): http://www.alliedelec.com/Sear...P-CR0

Same material, PET, but Panduit doesn't spec a wall thickness... they don't mention chem resistance either, but it's the same thing (and that's why you use GXL wire right?)

[White Comet]

i forget the site, but you can find lots of nice fuse/relay blocks for boats and marine stuff, they're all 12 volt too. the techflex is great and a few people use it, the stuff you posted is damn expensive though

[137]

I didn't see any pics of the starter/alt power wiring. Any tips on these? How did you route these wires to/from battery and the fuse box?

Thanks!Jamie

This is going to be the trickest part of his wire tuck, I promise you that.

Here is mine.











I didn't sleeve the starter wire for the fact that it's a b**** and a half to get that connector de-pinned without damaging a 12-18 year old connector is 50/50 plus the heat shrink that I had for wires that small is not glue lined so it moves or slides on single wired plugs like the oil pressure sensor to the block. I plan on remedying this in the future.

Since I relocated my fusebox to my dashboard this is the layout of the lower harness.



I'm not going to bother posting the rest, but this will give you an idea of how much effort goes into sleeving one set of wires with multiple junctions in them, as well as showing how that harness wiring routes without the sleeving on it.

http://om1kron.blogspot.com/20....html

I may take the connectors from the lower harness and actually clamp them down to the frame and run the old fuseblocks plugs down the firewall to meet up with them.

Not sure on how white comet is doing his. I had to convert an s13 redtop harness to fit inside of an s14, so I also had to modify 2 plugs on the harness for it to fit my sr transmission. That is the KA24DE lower harness.

[137]

Hopefully you didn't take my post as in any way bashing wire tucking. It looks FANTASTIC. But I honestly scratched my head momentarily to attempt to figure out if there was any gain besides personally knowing everything is ran in a clean, un-cluttered greatness

I personally would like to add, that there is so much unnecessary stuff you can remove from the harness it's not even funny... the horn wiring, the airbag wiring, the side marker wiring if you switch to a jdm kouki front end from a zenki front end on an s15, consult plug wiring, data port wiring, get rid of unnecessary grounds, get rid of factory alarm wiring that was never used. Shorten wires that were unnecessarily long.

The harness now is much more efficient in working, and much easier for me to pinpoint a problem now if I have one. With plenty of access wire still available to me in the engine bay to modify it, and access to everything in the cabin so I can troubleshoot it on the back end.

[137]

WC, Basically the fuse box. I don't know where lower harness came from haha, I meant replacing the box and all associated wires. My battery terminal cables are junk, and everything coming out of the fuse box is going in different directions making it a huge mess.

So what's in replacing a fuse box?

Here is my s14 fusebox relocation thread. I'll write one up for my s13 as well which should be less of a pain i'm sure since there is no passenger airbag in an 89.

http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/....html

I personally would recommend just finding somewhere to shove the fusebox and keep it as is somewhere. If you feel inclined to enter the world of re-designing it's layout, then my friend be ready to be your own guinea pig as I am.

[sbird1]

"Bandwidth Exceeded"? WTF, WC? I want to see how this whole thing came out!

[White Comet]

i'm gonna fix the pics here shortly. i just got off work a little bit ago

[slipnfall]

For future reference (and this may help you as well), this is the manufacture of *many* S13 underhood plugs:

http://connectors-catalog.sys.....html

For instance this is the plug near the TB which is tied to the three air control valves (AICV,AAC, etc):http://connectors-catalog.sys....ct=05

You wouldn't believe how long I've been trying to find this; enjoy!Jamie

[White Comet]

all pics are fixed except for a couple that i don't have the original files for on this computer.

great find slipnfall! those could come in handy

[sancosys]

WC,

That looks really good. Cant wait to see the final product.

Aaron

[White Comet]

engine is going in either tomorrow or monday and then you can see the finished job

[diggles240]

WC I appreciate your attention to detail, especially with regard to the wire tuck. Any chance we can pimp Keegan out? I will pay for travel and beer if he is willing to help me. Anyway, I am anxious to see the finished product. Good work

[White Comet]

lol wow from all the requests, it looks like keegan is a hot commodity

lol thanks for the compliments, yeah i'm very detail oriented. i've done all sorts of little things that havent even made it into my build thread. if i can make something look cleaner in any way i will

[cmoody2006]

I didn't see any pics of the starter/alt power wiring. Any tips on these? How did you route these wires to/from battery and the fuse box?

Thanks!Jamie

I need this info too.... It's where I'm stuck at on my wiring with my ka Once I figure out which wires go where Mine will be done I just haven't had the time to sit down and trace every wire cuz it snowed again!!!! But I relocated my battery to the hatch so I'm having issues on how/where To tie everything in at.... right now it's a mess and a headache to think about

[slipnfall]

I haven't gotten to this point, but these are just some quick thoughts... the starter power will have to go back to the large fuse, where ever you decide that to be. Rather than splicing the original cable just get a heavy duty lug (don't cheap out here), bend it if desired, and *solder* the connection via torch. They make solder 'plugs' that contain just the right amount of solder for the connection. Use good quality heatshrink or self-sealing electrical tap on the end.

Remember that stranded wire left exposured *will* act as a wick and draw in moisture over time leading to corrosion. If you want to get anal (I would if I was/am going through all this trouble anyway), any AL-CU connections should also use a corrorsion-inhibitor (ie NoAlux from Ideal, sold in HD/lowes) due to contact of differing metals.

Anyways, the *ideal* wiring would have the alt. and starter power run independently, not piggy-backed. You should fuse the ALT connection in the engine bay if you end up running it to the rear.

To power the relay/fuse boxes you could use a car audio distribution block to provide the connections (ie 2AWG in, 8-10AWG outs).

Thoughts here ? Not sure how people are doing this in the real world...

[safin]

something very common that people do is just get those audio blocks with fuses and splice everything new to the starter....... alternator...

what do people do with the igniter chip? where do they put it?

[I WE TODD ED]

Updates???

[tramp_drift240]

WC, you said the pictures were fixed except for a few

and i must say

i dont see a damn one that youve posted. and id like to.

hop on it.

[heartofaskyline]

WC. im going to clean up my harness a bit and i was wondering what size sleeving you got from wirecare? how much did you use?

[MoldyOldy240]

WC the pics exceeded bandwith :*(